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According to the Sunday Times (behind a paywall, so no link) Trump has said that he does not want to meet Prince Charles, but would prefer to meet Prince William.

Picky blighter, isn't he? Does he have the right to lay down the rules to his hosts?

In ancient times, this would be breach of the unbreachable laws of hospitality, wouldn't it? And subject to nemesis in some way.

What is infuriating me at the moment is the way the Tories keep blethering on about him being legitimately elected. Now one can interpret legitimately as meaning according to law, which is true, but they sometimes omit that adjective, and imply that he is the chosen one of the US people in some magic way which makes him proper. (They make the same sort of argument for themselves, of course.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
According to the Sunday Times (behind a paywall, so no link) Trump has said that he does not want to meet Prince Charles, but would prefer to meet Prince William.

Picky blighter, isn't he? Does he have the right to lay down the rules to his hosts?
About as much right as he has to tell other countries who their ambassadors should be. Which hasn't stopped him.

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What is infuriating me at the moment is the way the Tories keep blethering on about him being legitimately elected. Now one can interpret legitimately as meaning according to law, which is true, but they sometimes omit that adjective, and imply that he is the chosen one of the US people in some magic way which makes him proper. (They make the same sort of argument for themselves, of course.)
A rather uncommon consistency in our government.

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If T does meet with the queen, I hope she has very visible guards close by at all times, plus the corgis. I don't think she's type, which seems to be anyone younger than he is. But better safe than sorry. And if he meets with William, Katherine should be nowhere near. Seriously.

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quote:
Originally posted by Louise:

The Queen will do what she's asked by the Prime Minister as that's what she does, but people who embrace Trump and drive ahead this visit are embracing a large unflushable turd and all the perfumes of Araby won't sweeten that.

Agree with everything you wrote there.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
According to the Sunday Times (behind a paywall, so no link) Trump has said that he does not want to meet Prince Charles, but would prefer to meet Prince William.

I think he should be introduced to Sir Mo Farah.

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And the Mayor of London, of course.
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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
What is infuriating me at the moment is the way the Tories keep blethering on about him being legitimately elected. Now one can interpret legitimately as meaning according to law, which is true....

One can not only interpret it that way, that is the primary definition of "legitimately." "Legitimately elected according to law" would be redundant.

I'm horrified that Trump won the election, but win it he did. The fact that he lost the popular vote is totally irrelevant, except perhaps to the question of any mandate he might have. Under the rules of the game, he didn't have to win the popular vote to be elected.

Claims that The Dear Tweeter was not legitimately elected, like the protests of "he's not my president" are, in my opinion, not helpful at all in dealing with the disturbing reality that he is president.

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Of course HM can withdraw the invitation to Mr Trump: it would be unprecedented but it could be done; however, she won't since to withdraw the invitation would be seen - by HM at least - as being unspeakably rude.

It is not for any visiting Head of State to dictate to The Queen who they should or should not meet, and nor does the government have any say over which memebers of the royal family are included in things like state banquets, formal welcomes, etc.

The Prince of Wales will be heavily involved because he will become head of state, and because at 91 and 96 The Queen and Prince Philip are starting to handover some of the more onerous bits of things like this.

So Mr Trump wishes to meet the Duke of Cambridge? I doubt if Prince William is so anxious, and if I were him I'd do my best to make sure The Donald didn't get within 20 miles of my wife.

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There is an excellent royal precedent, set by the first Elizabeth. If I were the royals I would not hesitate to 'fall crafty sick', even at the last moment. The Queen, at her age, is especially suited to this.
And the ladies are always carrying handbags. Get a sturdy leather one, as big as possible. Hold it front and center, never moving it, and your pussy is shielded from tiny-finger groping.

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Though one of the cartoons I've seen suggests that letting him get behind one might be risky, too.
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Linky, pretty please?

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Sorry, it's completely escaped me where I saw it. But it had Putin grabbing DT between the legs as DT was grabbing a woman in the same way. Not sure if it was in Private Eye which I perused in the supermarket. I've checked out the #ActLikeAPresident tweets (which I found from the #dress like a woman lot) - not there. And run a search on Putin Trump cartoons with no luck.
Sorry

It might have been shown in one of the "Every Second Counts" videos.

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Not to worry.

Private Eye sounds about right, though!

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TBH, I think MH is quite capable of looking after herself, and may well find that her heir is the best person to meet with Trump. Just for the hell of it.

Which would be extremely funny.

Yes, I wouldn't let any of the royal ladies near him, given a choice. If he tried it on with anyone, he would be at risk of causing a diplomatic incident. But Trump will be in trouble anyway, as it won't all be about him. I suspect he will hate his visit here.

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No, he'll adore it. He'll insist on many pictures of himself at that palace, etc. Tip: deny him the images. No cameras.

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
According to the Sunday Times (behind a paywall, so no link) Trump has said that he does not want to meet Prince Charles, but would prefer to meet Prince William.

Picky blighter, isn't he?...
Of course he doesn't want to meet Charles - he doesn't have a hot wife.
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Ouch!

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quote:
Originally posted by Carex:
quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
According to the Sunday Times (behind a paywall, so no link) Trump has said that he does not want to meet Prince Charles, but would prefer to meet Prince William.

Picky blighter, isn't he?...
Of course he doesn't want to meet Charles - he doesn't have a hot wife.
I see this differently. Given his Twitter fascination with Robert Pattinson, I think Trump has mistaken William for Harry.

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Originally posted by L'organist:
It is not for any visiting Head of State to dictate to The Queen who they should or should not meet, and nor does the government have any say over which memebers of the royal family are included in things like state banquets, formal welcomes, etc.

Of course a visitor can't dictate anything to anther head of state. But one of Trump's private secretaries will discuss with one of HM's what the great man would like to see, meet, do etc during the stay. It won't be dictated, but discussed. Perhaps Prince William will have other responsibilities at the time?

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I would hope Prince William will be able to get an assignment to rescue refugees somewhere off the Turkish coast during the Trump visit, myself.
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I would hope Prince William will be able to get an assignment to rescue refugees somewhere off the Turkish coast during the Trump visit, myself.

Or even better take the Duck with him to show him some of the problems at first hand. He should feel priviliged - after all it's not everyone who can hitch a lift from RAF pilot ( r'td)
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For an activity, surely Mr Trump would be impressed by the privilege of being invited to Balmoral, HM's private estate, where he would have the honour of participating in traditional Scottish country pastimes, including Prince Philip's famed barbecues, the legendary indoor heating of Scottish castles, being piped awake at dawn, and the rare delight of being given a drive by Her Majesty, as she did so famously with then Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.
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I'm sure they could arrange an early morning hunt for the wild haggis for him while he is there, too.
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No woman wants to be alone in a car with the PGinChief. Even being in your 90s and not having big boobs might not protect you.

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I'm sure they could arrange an early morning hunt for the wild haggis for him while he is there, too.

They would need to be careful, in case someone mistook his hair for a wild haggis.

Or, maybe being careful isn't the plan [Snigger]

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Rumour here has it that he has asked for a visit to Balmoral, and to play a round of golf on the private course there with H.M. watching. Oh, and breakfast at Blenheim, like Winston Churchill, and a tour of the Cabinet War Rooms conducted personally by the Foreign Secretary.

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Of course he doesn't want to meet Charles - he doesn't have a hot wife.
Not true. While the Duchess of Cornwall may not be conventionally handsome, she has more sex-appeal in her little finger than the fragrant Duchess of Cambridge. Take it from me, flicky-hair does not a temptress make.

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Of course he doesn't want to meet Charles - he doesn't have a hot wife.
Not true. While the Duchess of Cornwall may not be conventionally handsome, she has more sex-appeal in her little finger than the fragrant Duchess of Cambridge. Take it from me, flicky-hair does not a temptress make.
Takes all sorts I suppose.

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Anyone who uses the term "sex-appeal" to refer to that group of in-bred, self-righteous, sychophantic, entitled half-wits seriously needs to go and talk to themselves in the mirror.

If we ignored the Windsor family for more than a few seconds they might go away. Or spontaneously combust or something.

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mr cheesy
the Duchess of Cornwall is not a Windsor, she is only married to one.

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A whimsical thought re Trumpannon at Balmoral - Himself (in a kilt, displaying Orange Legs), partnering the Duchess of Cornwall in a Military Two-Step, Scottish-style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67eAIIcdCP0&nohtml5=False

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L'organist:
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the Duchess of Cornwall is not a Windsor, she is only married to one.
Most people would agree that that makes her part of the family.
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Rumour here has it that he has asked for a visit to Balmoral, and to play a round of golf on the private course there with H.M. watching. Oh, and breakfast at Blenheim, like Winston Churchill, and a tour of the Cabinet War Rooms conducted personally by the Foreign Secretary.

If he is such a fan of Churchill, he will likely then be pleased to take the opportunity to visit the London Central Mosque, built on the initiative of Churchill and the Cultural Centre built there was opened by His Late Majesty George VI.
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Rather than huge crowds of protestors, I'd love to see empty streets and sidewalks/pavements. I know it won't happen, but for him to be totally ignored would be wonderful. If he sees big crowds (even with signs and pussy hats), he'll just brag about how he was greeted by the biggest crowds ever.

Best schedule it for August Bank Holiday when everyone will be either at Notting Hill, or the seaside
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I think that this says it all ... (from "Private Eye").

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When th late Emperor Hirohito of Japan made a state visit in 1971 which was greatly resented by those who had fought in the Far East, especially those who had been prisoners of the Japanese.

Informally, and also through the Burma Star Association and organisations for ex-POWs, they managed it so that The Mall was lined by ex-servicemen who, when the state landau bearing HM and Hirohito passed, turned their backs. They were given tacit (and very unofficial) support by the police and military on parade that day, many of whom made it very clear they weren't happy.

One of my own grandfathers served in the Far East and insisted on making the long trek from rural mid-Wales to London specially...

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I hear rumours that Trump is going to be invited to Balmoral, to "avoid protesters."

The North East of Scotland's dislike of Trump pre-dates the Presidential election. The disaster that is the Menie golf course spawned the filmYou've Been Trumped

Mexican flags are frequently seen flying near the course.

Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, awarded Trump a honorary degree before the Menie Golf Course became the PR disaster that it now is. They stripped him of the honorary degree in 2015.

The area has a track record of anti-Trump sentiment. The suggestion that Trump comes here instead of London is either naive or brilliant. Protesters get to have a field day with Trump, but Westminster keeps its hands clean.

As someone posted on Facebook - it's a win / win. We prove that Scotland isn't anti-English by arranging hospitality for visiting English protestors and we get to jeer at Trump.

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I wonder if he's ever tried haggis? I gather it's an acquired taste. This might be a good time to honor him with the local cuisine. [Biased] Of course, his mom was Scottish, so maybe he has a built-in taste for it.

Or perhaps take him on a hunt for a wild haggis.

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Haggis is delicious. The problem isn't the taste, it's that some people are squeamish about the ingredients. We eat it at home at least once a month over winter; it's an easy meal as it just needs to be boiled and served with potatoes and turnip (swede).

It's also a good ingredient which goes well with other foods; chicken robroys are chicken breasts stuffed with haggis, haggis and mozzarella paninis are tasty, and haggis in filo pastry parcels is a popular restaurant starter.

I'm fairly sure someone will give Trump haggis if he visits us.

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Haggis is indeed very tasty, but proved to be too much for a Norwegian family staying in the same hotel as me. Haggis formed part of 'The Big Scottish Breakfast', but the Norsemen quailed before it when they found out what it was.

I was happy to assist, and had a (mostly) haggis breakfast....

In Pussygrabber's case, I could suggest suitable stuffings/accompaniments e.g. Semtex, but will refrain, as TIACW.

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I think he should be exposed to all the corgis while being encouraged to wear a kilt. The more we can discomfit this man the more I will be content.

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For those who are squeamish, there's always vegetarian haggis in a can.

I'm always surprised at the ingenuity of product development folks, the kind of people who will come up with something the world didn't know it needed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
there's always vegetarian haggis in a can.

That's an abomination on at least two counts.

The only plus point is that when thrown not even the Hair™ will prevent it knocking some sense into his head.

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From the manufacturer's website:

'Many people ask us how we produce a Vegetarian Haggis and we’re happy to let them in on a little secret – we only feed them on grass and heather!'

[Killing me]

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I'm English, well except for ¼ Scottish, and I love haggis.

Also, by the way, you can microwave it quickly and easily. And if you're not Scottish, you don't have to have neaps with it, which I'll eat but don't eat by choice.

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HM must do as she is advised, but she is also entitled to give advice. As Balmoral is her private property (and she paid relevant death duties on it and Sandringham when her father died) she could well give advice to Ms May that at her age, she'd rather not have Trump as her guest, not even a flying visit. She might just stretch to asking him to afternoon tea were he to stay at his local golf course, but she's not going to have him, not with all his security staff running around the place.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
Haggis is delicious.

Yes indeed. Well, except for that canned abomination, but no true haggis...

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The problem isn't the taste, it's that some people are squeamish about the ingredients.
Usually people who will eat a sausage without batting an eyelid, or asking which bits of the animal were involved.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
From the manufacturer's website:

'Many people ask us how we produce a Vegetarian Haggis and we’re happy to let them in on a little secret – we only feed them on grass and heather!'

Veggie haggis doesn't have to come in a tin, although clearly it can't come in sheep's stomach ...

Our local sausage shop has recently gone over from MacSween's haggis to Ramsay's of Carluke, which is excellent.

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