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Gramps49
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What if May gets a no confidence vote, and the government has to change before the planned visit?
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What if May gets a no confidence vote, and the government has to change before the planned visit?
Better yet -- let's hope the U.S. has a change of government.
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What if May gets a no confidence vote, and the government has to change before the planned visit?
Nothing changes. It isn't Mrs May who has invited DT, it is Her Majesty's Government. In the same way if, say, DT were to resign before the visit then Mike Pence would come because he would be the President.
There are only three things which can stop the state visit:- the UK Government makes a convincing case that the security concerns are so great they cannot guarantee the President's safety;
- the US government decides the UK is such a dangerous place they prefer not to put the President in harm's way;
- the sovereign or her consort dies and there is full court mourning.
The first two are unlikely, bearing in mind the numerous visits made by presidents Bush and Obama after 2001. The third is in the lap of the gods.
In any case the visit is only likely to be delayed, an outright cancellation is not on the cards.
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Best comment of the day -
"Theresa, my dear, I desperately want you to arrange my visit to visit England, do you think you could pull it off for me?"
"Donald darling, which would you like me to do first?"
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Best comment of the day -
"Theresa, my dear, I desperately want you to arrange my visit to visit England, do you think you could pull it off for me?"
"Donald darling, which would you like me to do first?"
Prescient, apparently. quote:
“I still want to come, but I’m in no rush,” Trump reportedly said to May. “So, if you can fix it for me, it would make things a lot easier.”
“When I know I’m going to get a better reception,” the president said, “I’ll come and not before.”
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Recently, the news has occasionally mentioned that the White House says T won't be doing this trip this year.
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Since becoming president Trump has visited several countries, and any protests against him have been manageable. I don't see why the UK should be any different. Has he offended British people more than he's offended anyone else?
As for the Queen, I'm sure it's already been said that she's used to hosting world leaders who have dodgy reputations.
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Well, there was that small matter of him declaring the democratically-elected mayor of our largest city persona non grata in the US, simply for being a Muslim...
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Since becoming president Trump has visited several countries, and any protests against him have been manageable. I don't see why the UK should be any different. Has he offended British people more than he's offended anyone else?
As for the Queen, I'm sure it's already been said that she's used to hosting world leaders who have dodgy reputations.
The fear might be we'd find some way of changing the locks after he left town so you'd be stuck with him forever. Suckers!
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Contrary to Mail-, Express- and Torygraph-readers' belief, Britain isn't going to be great enough to be worth the trouble, post-Brexit. And we still have to sign up to that great and beautiful trade deal . . .
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By 2018, the UK will be in such dire straits ( aka shite) that we won't give a twopenny cuss whether Ozymandias visits, or whether he doesn't.
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Bumping this up. I heard from NPR that Trump plans on coming to London to see the new US Embassy. He is planning on meeting with PM May, but he will not be visiting the Queen. Too bad (NOT).
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Bumping this up. I heard from NPR that Trump plans on coming to London to see the new US Embassy.
So is he visiting the US Embassy in London, or is he declaring another city the capital and opening the Embassy there?
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Start knitting the pussy hats now!
I should mention that Drumpf will visit in February.
Is it wishful thinking by that time Scotland Yard or someone will find enough evidence to charge this man with a crime against women?
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Bumping this up. I heard from NPR that Trump plans on coming to London to see the new US Embassy. He is planning on meeting with PM May, but he will not be visiting the Queen. Too bad (NOT).
Aw. I bet the queen is heartbroken. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
May will have to tell the queen what she missed.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Bumping this up. I heard from NPR that Trump plans on coming to London to see the new US Embassy.
So is he visiting the US Embassy in London, or is he declaring another city the capital and opening the Embassy there?
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Bumping this up. I heard from NPR that Trump plans on coming to London to see the new US Embassy. He is planning on meeting with PM May, but he will not be visiting the Queen. Too bad (NOT).
Aw. I bet the queen is heartbroken.
May will have to tell the queen what she missed.
Yesterday, I surfed into "Christmas With the Queen: Surprising Royal Family Holiday Traditions" (Cheatsheet).
I think she can stay happily busy--and will be away into February.
Some fun pics/clips of Herself, BTW. Over here, we usually only get pics where she's reserved. In some of these, she appears to be relaxed and really having fun.
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1. Donald Trump can't be coming to London "to see the new US Embassy" since plans for the building have only just been released (and pretty ghastly it looks too IMHO).
2. It isn't up to HM to disinvite him since he has been asked for a state visit, so it would be up to the state, in the shape of the government, to withdraw the invitation.
3. However, since no date was mentioned at the time the invitation was made, it can be delayed for any length of time.
In fact, if the government like to suggest that it waits until the new embassy is completed it would likely not take place until around 2021 at the earlier, and possibly considerably later - by which time, of course, DJT may no longer be POTUS
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1. Donald Trump can't be coming to London "to see the new US Embassy" since plans for the building have only just been released (and pretty ghastly it looks too IMHO).
![[Confused]](confused.gif) According to the London Evening Standard it's been built and will be opened, possibly by Mr Trump, in February. Unless this is the most blatant example of retrospective planning permission ever?
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The picture of the Embassy on BBC News and in the Times looked like the Borg mother-ship. And it's surrounded by a moat, to keep the natives at bas. So much for the Special Relationship. We can't blame Trump for the way it looks, though.
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Good luck to them having it ready for February: when I drove past 6 weeks ago it looked far from ready.
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I hope The Great Gropo visits every room.
And is found dead in each one of them.
(I'll get me sou'wester and oilskin jacket, and walk the plank meself....)
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What a great idea for a new edition of Clue!
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My understanding is that the visit will not officially be a "state" visit.
The Queen has been known to break with tradition when she friends it expedient.
Having over 2 million of her subjects signing a petition not to receive Trump in a state visit is expedient, in my book.
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I hope The Great Gropo visits every room.
And is found dead in each one of them.
(I'll get me sou'wester and oilskin jacket, and walk the plank meself....)
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Now that would be a mystery that would require the combined talents of Miss Marple, M.Hercule Poirot at the very least to solve......
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Not to mention Lord Peter Wimsey, Lady Harriet Wimsey, and the ubiquitous Bunter....
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......and I think The Saint, Remington Steel and Columbo.......after all we would need to think international...... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
.....and I haven't even had a drop of wine yet. Honest!
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Nero Wolfe would sort it all out and wouldn't even have to leave his house to do so.
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Nero Wolfe would sort it all out and wouldn't even have to leave his house to do so.
Archie Goodwin, on the other hand, would have a grand time ordering glasses of milk in pubs.
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With Lily Rowan at his elbow. Ah, a fellow Wolfie!
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Our Newseek is reporting that Ms May has said Trump will be getting his state visit, but no date has been given.
I hope it will rain on his parade, rain cabbage, eggs and tomatoes and other rotten vegetables or fruits.
I hope he will see many backsides and many moons from those backsides.
May should not be able to dictate what HM does if he comes.
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I hope it will rain on his parade, rain cabbage, eggs and tomatoes and other rotten vegetables or fruits.
"Let the sky rain potatoes; let it thunder to the tune of ‘Green Sleeves;’ hail kissing-comfits and snow eringoes; let there come a tempest of provocation..."
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(But that play was written during the time of the previous Queen Elizabeth.)
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Bizarre thought:
T doesn't drink, due to a brother's death from alcoholism. Does he attend events where there's drinking? If it's a party at one of his properties, he could easily make it a dry event.
I'm guessing there will be alcohol at the wedding reception?
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Probably there will be (champers, at the very least), but I really can't see the Evil Orange One being invited anyway.
Perhaps they should invite just the poor, bewitched, Melancholia, to give the unfortunate Ensorcelled One a day away from the Goblin's clutches.
O, the priceless Tweets that would ensue!
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I find it very difficult indeed to imagine people signing up for the club at Mar-A-Lago (the initiation fee is $200,000! And then there's the yearly dues after that!) if it's a dry facility. He must allow others (other rich people, anyway) to drink even if he himself is not imbibing.
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I find it very difficult indeed to imagine people signing up for the club at Mar-A-Lago (the initiation fee is $200,000! And then there's the yearly dues after that!) if it's a dry facility. He must allow others (other rich people, anyway) to drink even if he himself is not imbibing.
It does not surprise me; even at my lowly level in society I know of people paying $25,000 a year to belong to a country club, on top of a $75,000 admission fee. They do so for the dubious privilege of only meeting people like themselves, which they deem to be very valuable indeed.
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The resultant in-breeding possibly explains the low intellectual levels of people like the King Of Mar-a-Lago....
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(In case you're not kidding.)
His mom was from Scotland, and his paternal grandfather came from Germany. So inbreeding is unlikely.
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(In case you're not kidding.)
His mom was from Scotland, and his paternal grandfather came from Germany. So inbreeding is unlikely.
How do you get Scotland out of Norfolk? I assume you are speaking of Lady Diana Spencer who was an offshoot of the junior branch of the Marlborough Dukedom?
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No, T's family, in response to BF's post just above mine.
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To which I might add that I said like the King of Maralago...
I suspect the latter's intellectual difficulties may be due to other causes.
Either way, it was an unkind comment on my part.
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It would seem so, as long as we p**s him off royally, a bit in advance....
Perhaps by telling him that The Awful Obamas have bought Buck House as a holiday home? He might believe it.
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Have a look at Twitter #ICancelledMyTripToLondon
It’s hilarious!
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Well done, Mr Trump. You have now made it impossible for the Queen, many of whose subjects originate in countries you would no doubt describe as 'shit-holes', to receive you. She is also Head of a Commonwealth that includes several of those countries.
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Rumor here is that the terror of demonstrations, the prospect of a sea of pussyhats in Trafalgar Square, has kept him away. I heartily congratulate you, keep up the good work! You do not want him in your country -- God knows we don't.
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Well done, Mr Trump. You have now made it impossible for the Queen, many of whose subjects originate in countries you would no doubt describe as 'shit-holes', to receive you. She is also Head of a Commonwealth that includes several of those countries.
And is Queen of many of those countries, just as much as of the UK.
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