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Originally posted by mousethief:
My Jesus would have said to Britain, "You have no right to create a state of European immigrants in the middle east and supplant the people now living there."

I think he might have taken the 1948 UN partition plan as the best of bad available options.

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
It seems to me that from the day after the State of Israel was created, when the Arabs attacked her, the Israelis just can't win.

The problem goes back a long way before the state of Israel was created, which was itself hardly excusable except by appeal to Euroguilt. This kind of tunnel vision doesn't help anything.

Oh, and Israel wasn't acknowledged by the UN until 1949.

Oh, and Israel has no right to occupy but not annex the territories for half a century in defiance of the Geneva Conventions.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
My Jesus would have said to Britain, "You have no right to create a state of European immigrants in the middle east and supplant the people now living there."

I think he might have taken the 1948 UN partition plan as the best of bad available options.
As I said the problem started long before 1948. Unless Jesus has no foresight he wouldn't have let it get so far.

The existence of the Zionist enclaves in Palestine starting in the late 1800s was de facto ethnic cleansing, and the ethnic cleansing has been going on steadily ever since.

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
'My Jesus' would have said to the Arabs "Render unto Israel that which is Israel's."

The Arabs had no right to attack a UN-recognised Sovereign state; not in 1948 and not in 1967 either.

So why didn't He?

The Arabs had no right to behave like any other ethne when faced by an invasion?

Your Jesus should have stopped the dumping by failed Christian states (including Russia) of the most significant non-Christian minority they had nearly annihiliated.

Why didn't your Jesus do anything about the thousand years of pogroms culminating in the Holocaust?

Only the Muslim Arabs, born of failed Christian imperialism which continued after their early years should have been Christian?

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Originally posted by mousethief:

The existence of the Zionist enclaves in Palestine starting in the late 1800s was de facto ethnic cleansing, and the ethnic cleansing has been going on steadily ever since.

Mmm. Not really. Mostly they bought land off people who were ready to sell it.

There have indeed been various efforts at ethnic cleansing throughout the history of the blasted pile of rocks we call Jerusalem, but it is hard to say that random small groups of Zionists in the 1800s were practicing it.

Nobody is blameless in this.

The only difference at the moment is that the Israeli settler state has the upper hand, largely because of assistance from the USA (who are the largest source of the most militant settlers and who represent a very large proportion of the population of modern Israel, along with immigrants from Russia). And thus the cycle of violence continues.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
My Jesus would have said to Britain, "You have no right to create a state of European immigrants in the middle east and supplant the people now living there."

Jesus approved of the British Empire otherwise?


My Jesus argues with your Jesus, and with everyone else's Jesuses*. And they all come with pointed sticks and throwing out money-changers attitudes.

*is this the plural of Jesus or perhaps Jesi given the 'us' ending

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
'My Jesus' would have said to the Arabs "Render unto Israel that which is Israel's."

Bullshit. Even if one buys into the middle-east manifest destiny rubbish, by that logic Israel blew it and got ejected. God provided no miracle reentrance. Again, believing that God, your Christian God of love and benevolence, cares more about land than people is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
My Jesus would have said to Britain, "You have no right to create a state of European immigrants in the middle east and supplant the people now living there."

Jesus approved of the British Empire otherwise?


My Jesus argues with your Jesus, and with everyone else's Jesuses*. And they all come with pointed sticks and throwing out money-changers attitudes.

*is this the plural of Jesus or perhaps Jesi given the 'us' ending

Bleedin' GREEK ennit?! Therefore Jesudes. Assuming a 3rd declension noun.

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Sod it. You're right. Jesus is Latin. Jesi. Iesus is transliterated Greek, if not Iesous. So Ies[o]udes.

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Perhaps he would say "Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?" (Luke 12:14)
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by mousethief:

The existence of the Zionist enclaves in Palestine starting in the late 1800s was de facto ethnic cleansing, and the ethnic cleansing has been going on steadily ever since.

Mmm. Not really. Mostly they bought land off people who were ready to sell it.
Mostly bought off absentee landlords in Turkey who were previously able to squeeze the land from its former Palestinian owners due to changes in the tax code. So the willingness of the sellers doesn't really signify.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
My Jesus would have said to Britain, "You have no right to create a state of European immigrants in the middle east and supplant the people now living there."

Jesus approved of the British Empire otherwise?
There's a non sequitur for the ages.

"X disapproved of Y doing Z"
"Ah, so X approved of everything else Y did?"

Everything else Y did isn't the subject of this thread. Try to stay on topic, wouldja?

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Mostly bought off absentee landlords in Turkey who were previously able to squeeze the land from its former Palestinian owners due to changes in the tax code. So the willingness of the sellers doesn't really signify.

It shows that in the chaotic history of 19 century Jerusalem there is considerable uncertainty about exactly who owned what. Yes, wealthy Jewish philanthropists were coming in and buying up land to build new estates. But the whole place was a mess, the suggestion that these small groups of ideologue zionists were somehow conducting ethnic cleansing is likely bogus.

There is a better case for saying that Peasants Revolt of the 1830s led to ethnic cleansing - due to the mass executions and deportation of (some say) 10,000 men.

Some say that the first mass migration of Jews began in 1882, comprised of around 30,000 people - of which 50% or more left again.

The demographics of the place was in flux, with various religious from lots of nationalities, Europeans and other migrants constantly coming and going. There was no simple "ethnic cleansing" which can be charged against the Jews.

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Fair enough

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