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SvitlanaV2
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Oops, sorry about that redundant half a sentence.
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Jemima the 9th
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I'd like to offer up a [Overused] for Anselmina's post on the previous page.
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Nick Tamen

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quote:
Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Last week in Church I had a very annoying Sermon on God being like a 'Mother Hen' caring for his Children. I wanted to shout out that Men cared for their Children as well. Caring wasn't just a 'female' thing to do.

Perhaps some bright and imaginative soul can figure out a way to balance the misleading message of that one annoying sermon by occasionally referring to or addressing God as "Father." I'm sure it could be done.

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The first thing God says to Moses is, "Take off your shoes." We are on holy ground. Hard to believe, but the truest thing I know. — Anne Lamott

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mark_in_manchester

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Hey, we've been having a go about 'Jesus is my boyfriend' lyrics. Here's one which has legs; you can find some male-voice versions out there on the web too [Smile]

(Personally I find the Picardy third a bit metro-sexual, but hey, I can be inclusive about my men's day praise-song choices [Smile] ).

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quote:
Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Judging by the Newspapers (dangerous I know) they do seem to have numerous stories of 'British' men who convert to Islam especially whilst in prison. Are they ignoring Christian converts ? Perhaps these converts are attracted by the Discipline of Islam. I think many Men like 'rules' to know where they are. They don't like uncertainty, and go for groups with Uniforms such as Scouts and Military. Islam seems to fit that Bill.

If that's what they want they could always come and join The Salvation Army.
We have uniforms and rules.

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Interesting point. I wonder the extent to which IS has replaced the SA as the final port-of-call for disaffected Christian men..

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The downturn in the SA's fortunes was when they let women in the brass bands!

(But you never heard that from me... [Smile] )

[ 06. April 2017, 15:05: Message edited by: Mudfrog ]

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SvitlanaV2
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Some research has been done recently regarding conversion to Islam among black British people, particularly African Caribbean men, from Christian backgrounds.

The reasons are complicated, naturally, but a perceived sense of racism in Christianity - or the Church - is obviously a big issue. The historical and ongoing sense of discrimination from the white world is experienced deeply by many black men, and unfortunately Christianity as it exists within the hierarchies of church life isn't always aligned with that sense of injustice.

By contrast, Islam benefits from certain advantages. Despite the longstanding Arab-led trade in African slaves it's perceived to be less of a 'white man's religion' than Christianity. There are apparently some Africans who played a prominent part in early Islam, and Islam had a much earlier and more regal presence in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa than Christianity.

I also think the prominence of the unorthodox Nation of Islam and of certain black Muslim figures in recent American history has increased the visibility of Islam as a viable religion for the African diaspora. Unfortunately there are no famous black diasporic Christians with the same kind of spiritual presence. There's Martin Luther King, but I think he's become a problematic, almost tokenistic character over time.

On a more basic and obviously gender-related level, black-led churches in the UK and elsewhere are often particularly feminised in terms of numbers, so that's a surely an unattractive factor for some men. Moreover, many observers have complained that (at least until recently) these churches have often been indifferent to social justice issues, and have therefore been unwilling to condemn the racism felt most systemically by young black men. 'White' churches have either been seen as colluding with racist attitudes, or simply culturally unable to value and incorporate aspects of black spirituality.

Regarding the Salvation Army, I don't know how it's addressed these issues. I don't know strong the SA's cultural presence in the Caribbean is, nor how it has tried to address racial and cultural issues both within and without its ranks.

Unfortunately, the main impression I get of the SA in my city is of withdrawal. I suspect that the SA is squeezed by the BME working class churches in the cities but doesn't have the resources to evangelise the dispersed and secular white working classes on housing estates and small towns around the country. Also, sadly, the brass band thing with the uniforms seems very unfashionable these days. Young men want to be where it's at, and Islam, despite or even because of its relentlessly bad PR moments, is urgently, pulsatingly now.

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Garden Hermit
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As an Old Man, I need a Church with Good Toilets, good Amplification, Large print Books or Overhead Projection and Coffee afterwards. I'm easily pleased.
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