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Source: (consider it) Thread: UK General Election June 8th 2017
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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
It can't. The sort of people who are going to vote for the loss of the Britain we grew up, where people were cared for are not the sort to listen to the still small voice on the way into the polling station. They didn't hear in the referendum, or in the presidential election in the US, and they are very, very unlikely to hear tomorrow.

And you can blame the Labour Party and its selection of Corbyn for that. With a good, strong leader (and ignoring any effect a strongly Remain Labour leader would have had in the referendum) the most the Tories could reasonably have assumed was being in power until 2020. The chances of a revived Labour Party then coming back into power would have been pretty strong and the Tory damage in the short interval minimal. Now there'll almost certainly be another 5 years to dismantle the system to which you refer. Perhaps some Labour in-fighting will lead to an even longer period in opposition.
That reminds me of generals who stand at the back shouting, forwards. Who exactly is this good strong leader? The Blairites are washed up, so we will await a new generation. I suppose Starmer is the coming thing - tie me down, the excitement is overwhelming.

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
It can't. The sort of people who are going to vote for the loss of the Britain we grew up, where people were cared for are not the sort to listen to the still small voice on the way into the polling station. They didn't hear in the referendum, or in the presidential election in the US, and they are very, very unlikely to hear tomorrow.

And you can blame the Labour Party and its selection of Corbyn for that. With a good, strong leader (and ignoring any effect a strongly Remain Labour leader would have had in the referendum) the most the Tories could reasonably have assumed was being in power until 2020. The chances of a revived Labour Party then coming back into power would have been pretty strong and the Tory damage in the short interval minimal. Now there'll almost certainly be another 5 years to dismantle the system to which you refer. Perhaps some Labour in-fighting will lead to an even longer period in opposition.
That reminds me of generals who stand at the back shouting, forwards. Who exactly is this good strong leader? The Blairites are washed up, so we will await a new generation. I suppose Starmer is the coming thing - tie me down, the excitement is overwhelming.
It will be fascinating to see what all the Corbyn haters amongst the parliamentary party do if he gets as far as a hung parliament or maybe even wins. So perhaps discussion should wait until after the results.

I think the leader should have been David Milliband, rather than his brother. I think he would have stuffed Cameron in 2015, then we wouldn't have had Brexit, and we wouldn't be having another one now....

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David Milliband would have been a much better choice IMHO.

Now all of you off and vote. Remember the adage: Vote early, vote often and vote for the dead.

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Originally posted by Gee D:
David Milliband would have been a much better choice IMHO.

Now all of you off and vote. Remember the adage: Vote early, vote often and vote for the dead.

My wife voted very early, and I voted about 10:30. I reckon we could both go back later and vote again with our offspring's polling cards. Two out of three ain't bad....

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I've just voted and was cheered to see a gaggle of young folks coming out of the hut, chatting away, clearly having voted for the first time.

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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
David Milliband would have been a much better choice IMHO.

Now all of you off and vote. Remember the adage: Vote early, vote often and vote for the dead.

My wife voted very early, and I voted about 10:30. I reckon we could both go back later and vote again with our offspring's polling cards. Two out of three ain't bad....
Wait until the day shift at the polling have knocked off [Biased]

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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
I think the leader should have been David Milliband, rather than his brother. I think he would have stuffed Cameron in 2015, then we wouldn't have had Brexit, and we wouldn't be having another one now....

Possibly. Subsequent events don't seem to indicate that David Milliband had much of an appetite for leadership - he left parliament shortly after, after all. One interpretation would be that he was happy to run as long as he thought he could win fairly easily - he could well have stayed on in politics, he chose not to.
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Purely anecdotal, but the consensus in our tea room over lunch was that pollig stations this morning in various locations around Glasgow were busier than normal suggesting that there might be a decent turnout, despite the rain.

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I live next to a polling station and just walked past another two. Haven't seen an actual voter at all yet. But then it is raining really heavily so maybe there will be a rush later.

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At 11.15 this morning 200 people had voted at our station - about average I was told. BUT we are a very very very safe Labour seat (so I voted .... arrgh mustn't say).
Good to hear the young are voting in one place.

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My local Polling Station was fairly busy at about 11am, and the one based in Our Place's [church] hall was also doing brisk business an hour or so later (including, I'm pleased to say, a number of young people, some of whom are probably students who live in the parish).

No rain yet, just the usual June Gloom...

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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
My wife voted very early, and I voted about 10:30. I reckon we could both go back later and vote again with our offspring's polling cards. Two out of three ain't bad....

I'm always surprised that we don't have to produce ID to be able to vote.
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O, we will, one day....probably quite soon.

And for just about everything else in our Brave New Right Wing World....

[Disappointed]

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I think we most certainly *should* have to produce ID in order to vote. The system at the moment is wide open to fraud as far as I can see.
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quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
I think the leader should have been David Milliband, rather than his brother. I think he would have stuffed Cameron in 2015, then we wouldn't have had Brexit, and we wouldn't be having another one now....

Possibly. Subsequent events don't seem to indicate that David Milliband had much of an appetite for leadership - he left parliament shortly after, after all. One interpretation would be that he was happy to run as long as he thought he could win fairly easily - he could well have stayed on in politics, he chose not to.
The trouble with the Blairites, generally, that with the exception of The Master, himself, and the excellent Liz Kendall they have no talent for dealing with adversity. In the parallel universe in which David Miliband won the Labour Leadership, Ed would have served loyally in the Shadow Cabinet rather than briefing any journalist who would listen about how hurt he was before buggering off to a high paid job in the States. Ed had a bucket of ess-aitch-one-tee poured over him on a daily basis as Labour leader and it's unlikely that David would have been treated differently by the press. I doubt that he would have comported himself with the resilience and good humour that Ed showed.

If Labour made a mistake in 2010 (assuming that leaving Harriet in charge of the shop whilst a safe seat was found for The Master wasn't on the cards) it was voting for the Wrong Ed rather than the Wrong Brother.

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Whatever.

No doubt there will be complete covfefe tonight and tomorrow, but I have an urgent appointment with a bottle of Jura (a nice malt from the Scottish island shaped, perhaps appropriately, like a teardrop..).

[Two face]

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I think we most certainly *should* have to produce ID in order to vote. The system at the moment is wide open to fraud as far as I can see.

And, yet, there is virtually no evidence that any voter fraud actually takes place. Instigating a national id scheme simply to prevent electoral fraud that isn't happening is a severe overkill, not to mention very expensive. Introducing an id scheme to help reduce financial fraud through identity theft has more legs to it, but that's balanced by the fact that if a criminal gets hold of such id they would be able to do even more mayhem.

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quote:
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
I think we most certainly *should* have to produce ID in order to vote. The system at the moment is wide open to fraud as far as I can see.

And, yet, there is virtually no evidence that any voter fraud actually takes place. Instigating a national id scheme simply to prevent electoral fraud that isn't happening is a severe overkill, not to mention very expensive. Introducing an id scheme to help reduce financial fraud through identity theft has more legs to it, but that's balanced by the fact that if a criminal gets hold of such id they would be able to do even more mayhem.
We had 26 people with the same name registered at one address in Reading about 5 years ago. There was a prosecution but I don't know the result. Certainly in my home Country of Northern Ireland - home of Gerrymandering - the catch phrase was Vote Early, Vote often. Dead People still on the Electoral Register had their 'votes' cast for them. It was widely reported in Worthing that Care Managers used to fill in all the Postal Ballots for their choice of candidate. But prevention of course is better than cure.
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Problem is that just because there isn't evidence doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think it is actually quite easy to be on the electoral register in more than one place (eg as a student) and therefore to be sent two voting cards in different constituencies.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this was happening as it would be almost impossible to detect.

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Problem is that just because there isn't evidence doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Well, in that case, it is Venusians who mostly vote. [Biased]
Given that many people can't be arsed to vote once...

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I would support voter ID laws if the government a) had the ability to and b) was willing to expend the resources to ensure every citizen had the required ID free of charge. The burden should be on the state to walk every citizen through the process of obtaining ID, especially for the elderly, poor, disabled, etc. If anyone is caught in a Kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare proving where they were born or who their parents were, the state should have the responsibility of clearing that up - especially when the lack of correct documents is due to a clerical error by a state worker, the burning down of the hospital or state office building holding documents, etc.
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I don't see how voter ID would prevent fraud, unless there was a central database each and every polling station had access to for the full 15 hours of voting. And we all know the government's record (any and all governments) on IT projects.

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Well the Guardian live blog seems to be mentioning a lots of instances where people are being turned away from polling stations dues to registers not being up to date or confusion about people with dual nationality. I can imagine what would happen if you did need official id before voting.
Although I detest May and her motley crew I hope she gets enough of a small majority to start the Brexit negotiations. At least when the whole thing goes horribly wrong she can't blame anyone else. If she gets a big majority though I'm not going to be happy. [Frown]

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Isn't the Guardian being a bit quick off the mark giving an assessment of the result on the day of the poll before the polls close?

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They're allowed to report about the mechanics of the poll, as long as they don't say how people voted.

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quote:
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If she gets a big majority though I'm not going to be happy. [Frown]

I am!! [Smile]

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Isn't the Guardian being a bit quick off the mark giving an assessment of the result on the day of the poll before the polls close?

It feels like they're sailing close to the wind, but I think they're talking about polls taken before today. If they were talking about polls of people who had already voted today, that appears to me to be against the law.

In other news, though, there are some quite disturbing stories about people who have been turned away from the polling stations because the electoral rolls being used were not up-to-date. Clearly that shouldn't happen.

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quote:
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Isn't the Guardian being a bit quick off the mark giving an assessment of the result on the day of the poll before the polls close?

That would certainly be illegal in France in either case.

You have to go and find out from the Belgians.

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This explains things I think (3rd paragraph).
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The "proper" exit polls are usually super accurate, so we'll be getting a pretty good idea of the result soon after the polls close at 10.

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The "proper" exit polls are usually super accurate, so we'll be getting a pretty good idea of the result soon after the polls close at 10.

Yep - I think that is because instead of guessing who is going to vote. They are asking people who have voted. I guess I am stating the bleeding obvious here!

Personally I'd like the French system so that you pretty much know the result well before you go to bed.

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Yep - I think that is because instead of guessing who is going to vote. They are asking people who have voted. I guess I am stating the bleeding obvious here!

Personally I'd like the French system so that you pretty much know the result well before you go to bed.

Mostly it is because they're done by statisticians using models which have proved in the past to be very accurate. See here.

Unfortunately by the time we know the result of the exit poll, it's a bit academic how accurate it is because the polls have already closed and we get the real result a few hours later.

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I've made my bingo card for tonight. How many of these can we tick off (or, if you're brave, have a drink) before the night is out:
  • "Lessons will need to be learned"
  • "Loud and clear"
  • Politician pretending they can't hear the studio
  • Silly costume on platform
  • Ex cabinet minister giving their prognostications
  • "How has Brexit affected…?"
  • Mind-boggling graphics
  • George Galloway
  • Glum look before the results are announced
  • "It's been a disastrous night for…"
  • "Message to politicians"
  • Winning candidate being lifted up by their team
  • Interrupting someone to go live to a result
  • Panel with only white men on it
  • Returning officer loving their 5 minutes of fame
  • "I'll eat my hat"

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Only a few minutes until the exit poll....

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"I'm not voting for Corbyn. Gotta keep that c*** out." - The view of a RMT member in east London today.
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Exit poll doesn't give Conservative majority, but still largest party....

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Yes.. but if Labour, SNP and LDs go into coalition, it looks like the Tories are out.

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Yes.. but if Labour, SNP and LDs go into coalition, it looks like the Tories are out.

Exactly as the Conservatives kept telling people to be scared of. Sturgeon will be thrilled to bits if that happens...

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Mind you.. it might not be enough. Maybe it'll all come down to what happens in NI. Wowzers.

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We had 26 people with the same name registered at one address in Reading about 5 years ago. There was a prosecution but I don't know the result. Certainly in my home Country of Northern Ireland - home of Gerrymandering - the catch phrase was Vote Early, Vote often. Dead People still on the Electoral Register had their 'votes' cast for them. It was widely reported in Worthing that Care Managers used to fill in all the Postal Ballots for their choice of candidate. But prevention of course is better than cure.

No election fraud, at all

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Amber Rudd in Hastings rumoured to be in trouble...

Bugger - why have agreed to do some work tomorrow?

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Sitting in a group of somewhat stunned Labour activists. This appears to show yougov was right ...

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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Sitting in a group of somewhat stunned Labour activists. This appears to show yougov was right ...

I thought Survation had it closest, but haven't really followed the individual polls for the last few days. Just saw some tweets from Survation last night.

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Wow. This is so close: Tories have 314, Labour SNP and LD have 314 together.

Another 4 maybe from Green and PC

So who knows what is going to happen in NI? This literally could go down to a couple of seats in NI. That's mental.

Mind you, any government with a majority of under 5 is going to be really difficult to keep going.

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May to resign by 1am.

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My constituency rumoured to be one of those changing. Just been reading some predictions from page 1 of this thread....

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Exit polls tend to underestimate the Tory vote somewhat, suspect we will wake up to a small Tory majority. But that would be brilliant, compared to what might have been...here's hoping.
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Statisticians are saying that likely range of Tory seats is 290-340

Upper end of that is a majority, but still a small one. Even that is only a gain of 10 seats, which still must be a failure of May's leadership.

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Jeremy Vine on the BBC has not taken NI politics into account properly.

314 Con + 8 DUP + 2 UUP + 1 Sylvia Hermon = 325

SF don't take their 4 seats so you only need 324 for a majority

Unionist coalition would work with these numbers

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But then Sylvia Hermon quit the UU because of their alliance with the Tories.

Also I think it is going to be tough for the NI MPs for this reason: the majority of NI voted Remain but the DUP (and I think UU) supported Leave. If the Unionists go into a formal coalition with the Tories, then they're supporting a government which is going to take NI out of the EU on hard terms, which is not supported by the majority in NI itself.

That's not a good look.

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