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Bishops Finger
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Indeed. Was it Richard Giles who once referred to churches being held to ransom by choirs consisting of two ladies in blue robes, clutching processional handbags?

There must be occasions when a previously competent choir has diminished to the extent that the sell-by date has passed, and a rethink as to parish music is required. Nothing wrong in that, but sensitivity may well be requisite.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Indeed. Was it Richard Giles who once referred to churches being held to ransom by choirs consisting of two ladies in blue robes, clutching processional handbags?

There must be occasions when a previously competent choir has diminished to the extent that the sell-by date has passed, and a rethink as to parish music is required. Nothing wrong in that, but sensitivity may well be requisite.

IJ

The solution I've seen is to keep the choir as an, shall we say, ornament and then to make additional arrangements to improve the quality of the music. [Gamaliel] Both, and; not either, or [/Gamaliel].
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
Directors of music are fairly common among larger Lutheran churches in the US midwest, especially of the German and Scandinavian flavour. Indeed, I have two Canadian musical friends who enjoy great jobs at this.

Most churches of all stripes—large and small, urban and rural—in the American South have Directors of Music/Ministers of Music/Choir Directors. (The title often reflects the denomination.). It is sometimes a full-time job, but more often it is part time—perhaps a local music teacher or the like. Frequently, the choir director is also the organist/pianist.

Except in the case of really small rural churches (often peopled by just a few extended families), a church without a choir is very unusual around here. I think it's safe to say that a choir is part of what people expect in a church, unless they're looking for contemporary worship.

[ 07. May 2017, 14:24: Message edited by: Nick Tamen ]

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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
I have seen at close range a rector/choir war which, in the short term, the rector won. In the longterm, he split the parish during a five-year internal war, and then took it out of the Anglican communion. Since then, I have been inclined to look at such efforts as a cleric-with-an-ego/political-agenda phenomenon

We have to take each case on its own merits.

I have been in a congregation where the choir was sacked, which proved to be a springboard for continued church growth. Choir-with-an-ego/political-agenda is also a possibility to be considered.

Indeed, each case needs to be considered on its own merits and I did not comment on the OP as I did not think I had enough information to do so. My own experience is that there are more clerics who desire change for programme reasons than dire choirs; others may have different life experiences.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
I have seen at close range a rector/choir war which, in the short term, the rector won. In the longterm, he split the parish during a five-year internal war, and then took it out of the Anglican communion. Since then, I have been inclined to look at such efforts as a cleric-with-an-ego/political-agenda phenomenon

We have to take each case on its own merits.

I have been in a congregation where the choir was sacked, which proved to be a springboard for continued church growth. Choir-with-an-ego/political-agenda is also a possibility to be considered.

Indeed, each case needs to be considered on its own merits and I did not comment on the OP as I did not think I had enough information to do so. My own experience is that there are more clerics who desire change for programme reasons than dire choirs who stand in the way of spiritual excellence; others may have different life experiences.

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The indications from the congregation were that they were very happy with their church services and with the contribution of the choir. The new rector seems to have overstepped the mark by imposing her own ideas without reference to the folk at the church. Apparently the people are leaving in droves.

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in general it should be noted that most every congregation will tell their new pastor they're ready for change and tired of being stuck in a rut. If the pastor doesn't do anything new they will most certainly be blasted for "lack of leadership". But of course everyone has a different idea of what that longed-for change will look like, and unrealistic expectations. So when the pastor does bring change they're apt to hear "no, not THAT change!" It is fraught territory. As noted already, autocratic top-down decrees like the OP suggests don't work-- but pretty much every change is going to be described that way by the group that doesn't favor that particular change

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Heard today that our 'sack the congregation' cleric will be leaving, having wrecked the musical tradition and lost his entire congregation.

The rumour is that our gain will be Oxfordshire's loss. Sorry, Oxfordshire!

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