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BBC report on NHS charges for foreigners. I think it is as it suggests - charges for non-urgent care.

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That may explain why my sister-in-law's Pa's experience varied slightly from that of Brenda's friend. His Funny Turn was caused by an existing condition.

Either way, Good Jobs were Jobbed - and I don't doubt that they would also be Jobbed well in America, except for the cost in $$$$$$.....

[Eek!]

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Bishops Finger
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I was referring to mr cheesy's first post, but his second (with link) indicates that there is now some system for charging for non-emergencies.

Going back to Orange Man, there is no doubt in my mind that, should he visit Headless Chicken Land, and fall in need of hospital treatment, the charges should be both HYUUUGE and BIGLY.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Going back to Orange Man, there is no doubt in my mind that, should he visit Headless Chicken Land, and fall in need of hospital treatment, the charges should be both HYUUUGE and BIGLY.

It won't happen. After all, Trump is the Most Astonishingly Healthy President that there has Ever Been.

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Bishops Finger
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Doesn't mean he might not get run over by a Bus (not that I wish it would happen - bus drivers have enough hassle these days as it is).

[Snigger]

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They'd never get those orange stains off the tires.

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And the passengers would be delayed and inconvenienced.

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Bishops Finger
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Bigly. And there'd be more of them than in any previous bus accident.....

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I'm reading his golf course has a poster of a fake Time cover. With him on it of course.

:shakes head:

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quote:
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I'm reading his golf course has a poster of a fake Time cover. With him on it of course.

:shakes head:

You mean these? They're apparently at four or five of his golf resorts.

[Roll Eyes]

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Oh! They come in sets. Thank you. I think.

The man is rather enamored of himself.

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But wait, there's ever so much more! Did you know the man is a golf champion?

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I'm surprised he doesn't wear a cape and have a bigly H on his chest.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
I was referring to mr cheesy's first post, but his second (with link) indicates that there is now some system for charging for non-emergencies.

In practice the system isn't very functional, and often can't manage to claim from US insurance firms because of the Byzantine sequential nature of the forms they are required to complete justifying the expenses. It's cheaper to eat the costs than to hire someone with the expertise to claim back.

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I have sometimes wondered how good a golfer Trump actually is. He seems to play only at his own courses where he can fire anyone who criticizes. Is there any trustworthy evidence on this?
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He also drives his golf cart onto the greens, which I am told is anathema on good golf courses.

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Is it a gold-plated golf cart?

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Possibly, but it's certain to be biglier than any other golf-cart...

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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I found this instructive. "An Insider's View: The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America", which tries to explain the irrationality of a segment of the American electorate which voted for that guy.

There are many quotable things within, however, I think I will just note that the author's opinion is that change has to come from within, external influences are automatically discounted. Which seems to suggest that the current USA president is a symptom not the disease.

So I'll quote this:
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When a child has an irrational fear, you can deal with it because they trust you and are open to possibilities. When someone doesn’t trust you and isn’t open to anything not already accepted as true in their belief system, there really isn’t much, if anything, you can do.
Which is mostly depressing. I probably shouldn't be reading an history of WW1 just now: the author suggests something personal and unavoidable is required. Even though the USA civil war didn't really result in giving up their idea that the southern states were wrong. etc

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My brother in law is a pastor in central Texas, essentially the people this book seems to be about. For decades now he has been gently trying to lead his congregation into a more open mindset. I see no signs of success so far. (I do not think it particularly helps for him to have us down for Xmas services. I do not look like anybody in, at a rough guess, 500 miles of that church.)

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Today Huffington Post has an item under "Comedy" of Tweeted proposed titles for Trump biographies. I think my favorite may be "TrumpelThinSkin".
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

And who do you think has been keeping Stephen Hawking alive all these years?

The same system looking after Charlie Gard?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

And who do you think has been keeping Stephen Hawking alive all these years?

The same system looking after Charlie Gard?
Step on down

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In professional wrestling the "heel" (for those who do not know) is the character who the audience loves to hate, who embodies something like arrogance or wickedness that the audience is united in opposing. In the very low-level stakes of a regional wrestling league in Appalachia where there are many Trump supporters, a man who actually identifies as a liberal has started playing the part of the heel as a character named "Progressive Liberal."

(article may be behind a paywall for some of you - sorry)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/28/he-calls-himself-progressive-liberal-hes-the-most-hated-wrestle r-on-the-appalachian-circuit/?utm_term=.c5b4042108be

My comments (on this thread or elsewhere) about politics becoming a) tribal and b) a spectator sport are coming true in a way that surprises even me!

The audience knows it's all a performance and in good fun but there is a real rage behind their disgust at this heel. The anger would be the same if a "Traditional Conservative" heel performed on a wrestling circuit in a liberal part of the country, but the audience's chest-thumping would be less focused on guns they are carrying in the bleachers! Not that I think anyone will actually use those guns to settle a dispute at a wrestling match - but the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

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One of the comments to the linked article sums it up perfectly:

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This guy's gimmick works because everything he’s saying is true.


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Haven't read the above, just skimmed. I'm busy playing computer games at the moment, having secured a domination victory at Emperor difficulty level in Civ VI, and renewed my hope that I might one day beat the game at the top difficulty level. The game is quite slow in the late stages, so this takes a while.

Anyway, I do want to continue my exploration of Romanlion's politics as one example of right-wing US thinking. I wonder though whether this is the right environment. I'd prefer just to listen and ask exploratory questions without going for gotcha moments, or "oh what a dickhead" responses. Maybe private chat is better...

I don't know. Maybe other people want to do this too?

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stonespring
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quote:
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Haven't read the above, just skimmed. I'm busy playing computer games at the moment, having secured a domination victory at Emperor difficulty level in Civ VI, and renewed my hope that I might one day beat the game at the top difficulty level. The game is quite slow in the late stages, so this takes a while.

Anyway, I do want to continue my exploration of Romanlion's politics as one example of right-wing US thinking. I wonder though whether this is the right environment. I'd prefer just to listen and ask exploratory questions without going for gotcha moments, or "oh what a dickhead" responses. Maybe private chat is better...

I don't know. Maybe other people want to do this too?

I can't speak for Romanlion but as you probably know, it's often best to not assume that commenters on online forums are representative of voters in a country. This is true for commenters from the right, the left, libertarians, people with views that are too bizarre to fit into any box, etc. The internet, and online forums where people can be anonymous in particular, are woefully inaccurate at representing the opinions of the electorate. Romanlion, I'm assuming, would agree with me. And I don't assume you're representative of Aussie voters either [Biased] . Although I have Aussie in laws, and although I like your healthcare system compared with ours, your country is chock full of crazy folk and crazy politicians just like ours. When I watch the morning news shows or the 24 hour news channels in Australia and they talk politics, I want to shoot myself just as much as I do when watching similar shows here [Smile] .
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quote:
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Anyway, I do want to continue my exploration of Romanlion's politics as one example of right-wing US thinking.

This cannot easily be addressed in Ourg. Ask on the other thread and I will give an answer.

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quote:
Originally posted by stonespring:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Haven't read the above, just skimmed. I'm busy playing computer games at the moment, having secured a domination victory at Emperor difficulty level in Civ VI, and renewed my hope that I might one day beat the game at the top difficulty level. The game is quite slow in the late stages, so this takes a while.

Anyway, I do want to continue my exploration of Romanlion's politics as one example of right-wing US thinking. I wonder though whether this is the right environment. I'd prefer just to listen and ask exploratory questions without going for gotcha moments, or "oh what a dickhead" responses. Maybe private chat is better...

I don't know. Maybe other people want to do this too?

I can't speak for Romanlion but as you probably know, it's often best to not assume that commenters on online forums are representative of voters in a country. This is true for commenters from the right, the left, libertarians, people with views that are too bizarre to fit into any box, etc. The internet, and online forums where people can be anonymous in particular, are woefully inaccurate at representing the opinions of the electorate. Romanlion, I'm assuming, would agree with me. And I don't assume you're representative of Aussie voters either [Biased] . Although I have Aussie in laws, and although I like your healthcare system compared with ours, your country is chock full of crazy folk and crazy politicians just like ours. When I watch the morning news shows or the 24 hour news channels in Australia and they talk politics, I want to shoot myself just as much as I do when watching similar shows here [Smile] .
rofl

Yeah, but those crazies I know [Smile]

I have other sources for information on right-wing Americans. I'd just prefer not to talk politics with them as I'm pretty sure one of them was on the one who looks like Uncle Fester before she was on the Giant Orange Idiot. If I talk with Romanlion, I talk with someone who I'm not at risk of blowing a relationship with.

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

And who do you think has been keeping Stephen Hawking alive all these years?

The same system looking after Charlie Gard?
Worth one response in Purgatory. Yes, I'm sure that there would be a practitioner or two in the US prepared to offer the modern equivalent of snake oil, at an exorbitant price, to Charlie Gard's desperate parents. But what they have received in the UK is honest, professional, non-exploitative advice, which is in their best interests and also those of their desperately ill baby son.

I guess that conflicts with your libertarian philosophy. If they are desperate enough to want to spend money raised charitably in the folorn hope that something might be done, then isn't it wonderful that in the US there are folks prepared to take a shed load of that money to exploit their desperation.

I think the NHS and the courts show that the UK approach is wiser and better in this case. And also kinder.

I'm sure YMMV, but you're just wrong.

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mdijon
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

And who do you think has been keeping Stephen Hawking alive all these years?

quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
The same system looking after Charlie Gard?

I think you'll find that severe mitochondrial disorders causing profound neurological damage have a very poor outlook wherever you are in the world, irrespective of the availability of experimental unproven treatments.

But I'm sure you knew that and were looking for a bit of mud.

If you want to denigrate the NHS there are plenty of other systems that arguably run better. French, German and various Scandinavian systems compare extremely favourably. They're all socialized of course.

I have heard some intelligent Republican arguments against state interference in healthcare, but I don't think you've hit on any yet. And pretending that the healthcare outcomes are better in the US is definitely not one of them.

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Once again the media storm is over Trump tweets and fake magazine covers instead of the really scary stuff:

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The vice chairman of President Trump’s commission on election integrity sent a letter to all 50 states Wednesday requesting information on their voter rolls.

The letter (...), directs states to turn over “publicly-available voter roll data including, if publicly available under the laws of your state, the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses, dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number if available, [and] voter history from 2006 onward.”



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Eutychus, I'm not a person who is too concerned with the Govt. having allot of very detailed information on its people. Given the nature of the information available to large private sector companies, it is only fair and reasonable that the Govt should have as much of that information as it can get its hands on.

Apart from privacy concerns, what's the problem? I've read the article, and don't see any other issue.

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Centralising people's voting history?

And then if states refuse, as some have, it can be said they have conspired to cover up voting fraud.

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Barnabas--

[Votive] for Charlie, family, and all affecting his care.

I have no idea what the right decision would be in this case. But experimental and "one in a million" treatments do sometimes help, if only to give a little more time, and people fight to get them. Why shouldn't Charlie's parents fight for him?

Note: I hadn't heard of this until romanlion mentioned it. I did a quick search, and just skimmed through the results page. (Looked too painful to go further.) But I gather C is on life support, and there's been a big fight about either the EU taking him off life support, or his parents taking him to the US for special treatment.

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quote:
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But experimental and "one in a million" treatments do sometimes help, if only to give a little more time, and people fight to get them. Why shouldn't Charlie's parents fight for him?

It would be worth another thread to do this properly if people are interested, but a summary my concern with the experimental and one-in-a-million approach is that a) one can't justify substantial human suffering on that basis b) the expense isn't sustainable anywhere in the world and c) if we do that we'll never find out which treatments actually work and it's the end of rational medicine.

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mdijon--

If you want to start a new thread, please do. Thx. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Centralising people's voting history?

And then if states refuse, as some have, it can be said they have conspired to cover up voting fraud.

I'd be surprised if an Australian Federal Govt Department here doesn't have that information. We have a Privacy Act which governs its use. I think that extends to the Private Sector, but as I say, care factor zero here re privacy. That horse has bolted.

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I'd be surprised if an Australian Federal Govt Department here doesn't have that information.

Individuals' voting records?? [Eek!]

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Meanwhile, I see that Ozymandias' travel ban on some Muslims has come into effect, albeit without the chaos caused by the first attempt.

How to win friends and influence people.....

[Disappointed]

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Centralising people's voting history?

And then if states refuse, as some have, it can be said they have conspired to cover up voting fraud.

If this comes to anything at all it will be a pension fund for lawyers.

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I have no idea what the right decision would be in this case. But experimental and "one in a million" treatments do sometimes help, if only to give a little more time, and people fight to get them. Why shouldn't Charlie's parents fight for him?
They did. They fought for him to be kept alive. The medical team responsible for his care argued that being flown to the USA for an experimental treatment that was extremely unlikely to work was not in his best interests and he should be allowed to die with dignity.

This went all the way through the British court system before being referred to the European Court of Human Rights. All the courts agreed with the medical experts' judgment that further treatment was not in Charlie's best interests.

The ECHR (which, incidentally, is not an agency of the European Union) merely upheld the decision of the (many) British courts which ruled on this matter. But it was a win-win situation for the tabloids, because if the ECHR had ruled in favour of Charlie's parents they could have had banner headlines about Loss of Sovereignty...

Doctors hate to lose their patients, especially when treating babies and small children. The medical team will not be rejoicing today; they'll be sad too.

Oh, and what Barnabas and mdijon said.

I suppose I ought to go and join in lilbuddha's Hell thread, but I don't think it's worth arguing with trolls.

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Originally posted by simontoad:
I'd be surprised if an Australian Federal Govt Department here doesn't have that information.

Individuals' voting records?? [Eek!]
My mother had dementia for the last 10+ years of her life. It is easy to go online and see the requested information about her and I've also looked up several other people. Like what Trump asked for, it is public information. The only question regarding the Trump request is who is going to have to take the time gathering that public information. It doesn't tell how someone voted, just whether or not they voted.

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Once again the media storm is over Trump tweets and fake magazine covers instead of the really scary stuff.

I have written both of my senators and my state governor expressing concern over this latest move.

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I'd be surprised if an Australian Federal Govt Department here doesn't have that information.

Individuals' voting records?? [Eek!]
My mother had dementia for the last 10+ years of her life. It is easy to go online and see the requested information about her and I've also looked up several other people. Like what Trump asked for, it is public information.
Sort of yes, but really no. Looking up a mass list of every voter is typically not available to the general public. You can search the records but you typically have to know some info about the person you're trying to research, which limits most people to themselves, close relatives, or public figures about whom such information is already publicly available.

Some states even have laws on the books to prevent people from looking up other people's voter information, like Virginia whose voter info website states:

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I certify and affirm that the information provided to access my voter registration is my own or I am expressly authorized by the voter to access this information. I understand that it is unlawful to access the record of any other voter, punishable as computer fraud under Va. Code § 18.2-152.3.


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Sort of yes, but really no. Looking up a mass list of every voter is typically not available to the general public. You can search the records but you typically have to know some info about the person you're trying to research, which limits most people to themselves, close relatives, or public figures about whom such information is already publicly available.

Some states even have laws on the books to prevent people from looking up other people's voter information, like Virginia whose voter info website states:

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I certify and affirm that the information provided to access my voter registration is my own or I am expressly authorized by the voter to access this information. I understand that it is unlawful to access the record of any other voter, punishable as computer fraud under Va. Code § 18.2-152.3.
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Ah, I see. I did not scroll through a list but looked specifically for her. As for the Virginia thing, it won't stop anyone except those who are too decent for politics.

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It doesn't tell how someone voted, just whether or not they voted.

Here in Colorado, they send registered voters ballots in the mail (you can also go in person on election day, or in the month or so before). And there have been many proposals to not send ballots to registered voters who have not voted in the past few elections- the claim is that it invites fraud.

Each state, as I understand it, sets its own rules for how elections work, voting rights act issues aside. So I imagine the plan here is to come out with "proof" of mass fraud, and demand that Republican Secretaries of State follow certain White House promulgated "best practices" in setting rules for 2018 and 2020, which will no doubt recommend "common sense" solutions that happen to result in significant pruning of registrations in Democrat-heavy areas.

It's a long way out, and I try to avoid this kind of doomsday thinking, but I kind of wonder what will happen in 2020 if Trump loses. There's little chance that he wouldn't fire off some Wednesday morning tweets about mass voter fraud. But how far would it go? Mitch McConnell has certainly learned that ignoring republican norms (small r intentional there) can reap huge rewards. It's one thing when someone out of power threatens to not respect the results of the election. If Trump stays in place and dares anyone to do anything about it, what happens then?

I hope it doesn't, but it has potential to get real ugly.

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Yes, each state does it their own way. (You remember the far-famed 'hanging chads' in Florida.) You would think that this would drive a greater efficiency, with 50 petri dishes in which to experiment. But this assumes that efficiency, and getting a large turnout, is the goal. The hidden goal of the GOP is to drive turnout down. Hence the perpetual search for fraud, the gerrymandering, and the erecting of barriers preventing the poor, people in heavily-black districts, and so on, from exercising their franchise.

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Surely you guyz across the Pond can come up with some way of getting shot of TOOO before 2020?

[Paranoid]

Somewhere on the 'news', FWIW (but I can't find the link), M. Macron is being hailed as the Anti-Trump..... [Eek!]

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As I said above, the big question is if the Republicans have seen enough reward to throw out republican norms.

Everyone was ready to call out Trump for being un-presidential yesterday. Will that lead to any of those people withdrawing support for the health care bill or a future Supreme Court nominee? Fat chance.

People ask if there is a point where he becomes so unpopular that he will hurt the Republicans in the next election, and they bail. I would suggest it's not a simple matter of what poll number he has to hit. Bailing on the President would piss off a large wing of the Republican party, so they have to worry about that. The 2018 Senate map is friendly for the Republicans, and the House map is generally Republican friendly as well, so it's going to have to be a big popularity deficit before they really see an electoral threat.

A few votes away from ending Obamacare and one Supreme Court retirement or death away from a five-vote conservative majority? They'll put up with a lot to stay in that position.

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