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Golden Key
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Hedgehog--

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And he *still* can't cope with not winning the popular vote. He's *still* trying to get Hillary on trial.

My take on that is slightly different. Trump wants popular acclaim. As his popularity dips. he goes back to what he was doing when he felt more popular. He never felt more popular than when "winning" the election. What was he doing then? Oh, yeah, he was constantly urging investigations of Clinton. Therefore, to regain his popularity, he has resumed insisting on investigations of Clinton. It is what makes him popular! It is not so much that he can't cope with not winning the popular vote--he can't cope with not remaining popular.
Yes, he can't cope with not being popular. His dad taught the kids that only winners deserve to be loved. So he always has to be the best, biglier, etc.

But he repeatedly denied that Hillary won the popular vote. I think he kinda sorta moved on from that to another theory. And he's said, IIRC, that H was the one who colluded with the Russians.

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Hey 45. You won. Get over it.

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How can he get over it when he can't even do it? He's in a jam many of us meet up with sooner or later: tasked with something he MUST do, but cannot manage.

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He's in it real deep, as we all are when we find ourselves unable to do the sensible thing: smile, admit we don't know what we're doing, and chair a panel of experts.

What a demonic lie, the myth of the strong man is.

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He's very nearly the perfect example of toxic masculinity.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
He's very nearly the perfect example of toxic masculinity.

He is the very model of a toxic masculinity
Though some say he's a model of a prophet of divinity
A set of Evangelicals that vote "right" in America
And socialistic health care they deride with much hysterica

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
He is the very model of a toxic masculinity
Though some say he's a model of a prophet of divinity
A set of Evangelicals that vote "right" in America
And socialistic health care they deride with much hysterica

[Overused]

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
He's very nearly the perfect example of toxic masculinity.

He is the very model of a toxic masculinity
Though some say he's a model of a prophet of divinity
A set of Evangelicals that vote "right" in America
And socialistic health care they deride with much hysterica

FOr those in ignorance of the great G&S, it starts the same tune as the pirate king tune.

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/pedant alert/

The Modern Major-General's tune.

Another [Overused] for mousethief, though - brilliant, and in true Gilbertian fashion.

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He starts off with a few lines and the Pirate King complains that it is the same tune as his.
Then it changes and goes to the tune that fits mt's verse.
If you are going to pretend pedantry, get it right

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Bishops Finger
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I stand corrected.

BTW, sentences should be finished off with a .

[Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
FOr those in ignorance of the great G&S, it starts the same tune as the pirate king tune.

Oooh! My favorite Pirate King!
[Axe murder]

(I was at a party a few years ago where he sang the Pirate King's song.)

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One down, 2 million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine to go.

And here come the screams for voter ID. To whom I reply: If she had been required to show proof of citizenship when voting, she would have been stopped from voting illegally. Unfortunately, if everyone is required to show proof of citizenship, thousands of citizens will be also unable to vote. Nose, face, cut.

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Bishops Finger
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Poor lady - what a terrible experience for her, and for her family, whatever mistakes she may or may not have made.

But.....it's taken ten years for the case to get this far, it seems. How long is it going to take to deport the other 2,999,999?

[Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
One down, 2 million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine to go.

And here come the screams for voter ID. To whom I reply: If she had been required to show proof of citizenship when voting, she would have been stopped from voting illegally. Unfortunately, if everyone is required to show proof of citizenship, thousands of citizens will be also unable to vote. Nose, face, cut.

Yes. Would you rather harm tens of thousands to prevent one person from abusing the system? People who feel in no danger of being harmed ("they'll never stop ME from voting because I'm not like THOSE PEOPLE") may think so.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
He's very nearly the perfect example of toxic masculinity.

He is the very model of a toxic masculinity
Though some say he's a model of a prophet of divinity
A set of Evangelicals that vote "right" in America
And socialistic health care they deride with much hysterica

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Penny S
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
He starts off with a few lines and the Pirate King complains that it is the same tune as his.
Then it changes and goes to the tune that fits mt's verse.
If you are going to pretend pedantry, get it right

In the version I performed in, the king's tune is introduced by Samuel, one of the pirates, and nobody complains before the Major-General starts up his own patter song. And I've checked online in the libretto, and a performance by the Wichita Grand Opera.

All of which takes attention from mousethief's brilliant writing - there is no way I would ever have considered trying to parody that song!

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Perhaps mousethief is a reincarnation of W. S. Gilbert?

[Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Yes. Would you rather harm tens of thousands to prevent one person from abusing the system?

Somebody voting who isn't entitled to vote, or somebody voting twice in an election, is a problem. The thing that the voter id clowns fail to grasp is that someone who is entitled to vote not being able to vote, or someone voting and not having it counted, is exactly the same problem.

Person A voting in two different states in an election is precisely as bad as Person B not having his vote counted because there's an issue with his voter registration from the point of view of the election.

(It's possible that Person A might have committed a crime - electoral fraud - but that doesn't have anything to do with how closely the outcome of the election measures what it should.)

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You have to keep in mind the real goal of the exercise, which is not the goal that you read in the words. The real goal is to keep Those People from voting. Black people, poor people, persons of ethnicity, people in cities.
But this cannot be said out loud, since there are an awful lot of those undesirables and they'll kick up a shindy if they notice. And so the business must be cloaked in other more innocuous terms. To sacrifice a legitimate vote or two is well worth while, if you can disenfranchise several hundred voters of color.

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Bishops Finger
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Meanwhile, Kim Wrong-Trim is claiming that his missiles can reach anywhere in the US of A:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40760583

The fact that they may not be accurate in reaching their intended target is rather irrelevant, ISTM. Any missile landing on the US mainland is going to cause tremendous damage, wherever it might fall.

Anyone remember the film The Day After, with Jason Robards? 1983 or thereabouts - I think it pre-dated the UK's Threads, but 'twas equally scary.

[Paranoid]

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Brenda Clough
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I put my hope in Kim's innate cunning. He will rattle the saber hard, but he must know that an actual nuclear strike will be his doom. A second Korean War cannot be to his advantage. And it would decidedly be a triumph for Crooked Don, who would have a perfect distraction from his soon-to-be overwhelming troubles.

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Bishops Finger
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We live in interesting times...

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
We live in interesting times...

Dammit.

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c'mon, our times are only mildly interesting. We are worried about what might be, not the present hell, like the poor Syrians.

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mousethief

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I prefer not to play "my pain's bigger than your pain" games.

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I do wish, however, that the media would stop predicting the end. This is the same media that predicted that the Fartletter-in-Chief would never get anywhere near the White House.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could get back to reporting the news as it happens?

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Yeah, all the "he's out!"/ "this is the end!" stories that fizzle away to nothing make me feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy snatches the football away. I don't need anymore false hopes right now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
I do wish, however, that the media would stop predicting the end. This is the same media that predicted that the Fartletter-in-Chief would never get anywhere near the White House.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could get back to reporting the news as it happens?

They've been saying "This is the end of the Republian Party!" since November of 2008. I'm getting sick of it frankly.

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Breaking news in the UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40869319

Ozymandias is getting cross with Kim Wrong-Trim. What price Armageddon within the next year or so?

[Help]

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Yes, waking up to this news made me want to crawl back under the sheets.

I'll confess I'm not sure exactly what the right response would be from one hairstyle-challenged ruler to another, but that doesn't seem wise. Happy to be proved wrong.

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Even I, with my creme brulee of a personality, felt like the desert spoon of impending doom had cracked my caramel.

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quote:
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Even I, with my creme brulee of a personality, felt like the desert spoon of impending doom had cracked my caramel.

Isn't the bizarre metaphor thread in Circus? [Razz]

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A good (and free) analysis of the situation.

The money quote: "Perhaps the best hope for the world is that Trump, who is easily distracted and has a short attention span, will in this case once more be distracted. That would at least allow the immediate tension to dissipate, though the longer term problem of a nuclear North Korea would remain."

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Return fire.
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{Cross-posted with Ian. Didn't realize his link was about this.}

Re N. Korea:

Not only is T ratcheting up his threats, but "North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam" (Yahoo). (Guam is a US territory.)

I haven't checked a map, but Guam might be closer to NK, and easier for NK's missiles and nukes to reach.

We really need to knock T and K's heads together [brick wall] , and lock them up somewhere.

[ 09. August 2017, 03:33: Message edited by: Golden Key ]

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Lucky Guantanamo Bay is still open then [Snigger]

[ 09. August 2017, 04:33: Message edited by: simontoad ]

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I found that T remark about "like the world has never seen" utterly chilling. Presumably aiming to outdo Bush's shock and awe.

Just heard that China has a treaty of mutual defence with North Korea.

OMG.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
They've been saying "This is the end of the Republian Party!" since November of 2008. I'm getting sick of it frankly.

I can understand that: isn't it the 'Republican' Party? I don't think I've heard the other R-word before.

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I found that T remark about "like the world has never seen" utterly chilling. Presumably aiming to outdo Bush's shock and awe. [...]

Yes. As we've come to find, he doesn't like being outdone by anyone else. His mind (like his hands, presumably) is so tiny and is so easily hurt that he rather tends to overreact, with little regard for the consequences. - But this has been said dozens and dozens of times before, here and elsewhere. Sigh.

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Ok, and here's another one. Of course, some so-called Evangelicals wade in:

quote:
‘God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un,’ evangelical adviser says
(From the Washington Post)

Like certain ayatollahs and assorted daft religious leaders of quite possibly any creed and faith, this guy apparently is plainly nuts. 'God has given Hitler authority to take out the Jews'... I'm sure that was a well-versed Nazi supporter argument, too.

Why do people tend to project perfection and divine calling in those in authority? Isn't it so that they don't have to think and make decisions themselves? Bloody 'ell.

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“A Christian writer asked me, ‘Don’t you want the president to embody the Sermon on the Mount?’ ” he said, referring to Jesus’s famous sermon. “I said absolutely not.”
An interesting quote from Wesley J's linked article.

God, I am sorry my light is hidden under a bushel sometimes. But when people hear Christian leaders speak out can you sometimes see why I want to keep quiet?

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Golden Key
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Paging Ambrose Bierce and "The Devil's Dictionary" (Alcyone):

quote:
CHRISTIAN, n.
One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.

I dreamed I stood upon a hill, and, lo!
The godly multitudes walked to and fro
Beneath, in Sabbath garments fitly clad,
With pious mien, appropriately sad,
While all the church bells made a solemn din --
A fire-alarm to those who lived in sin.
Then saw I gazing thoughtfully below,
With tranquil face, upon that holy show
A tall, spare figure in a robe of white,
Whose eyes diffused a melancholy light.
"God keep you, strange," I exclaimed. "You are
No doubt (your habit shows it) from afar;
And yet I entertain the hope that you,
Like these good people, are a Christian too."
He raised his eyes and with a look so stern
It made me with a thousand blushes burn
Replied -- his manner with disdain was spiced:
"What! I a Christian? No, indeed! I'm Christ."
G.J.




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Originally posted by Penny S:
I found that T remark about "like the world has never seen" utterly chilling.

Especially in the week when we should be remembering Hiroshima and Nagasaki. [Frown]

I am afraid.

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Is he the first and/or the last Trump?!

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quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
They've been saying "This is the end of the Republian Party!" since November of 2008. I'm getting sick of it frankly.

I can understand that: isn't it the 'Republican' Party? I don't think I've heard the other R-word before.
It means "to reinstate Publius", referring to one of the assassins of Julius Caesar, Publius Servilius Casca Longus (whose name means "servile tax collector with a long casca," and I hope I do't have to tell you what casca means).

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No, I don't want the president to be Christ. (An entirely hypothetical blue-sky speculation, since it is clearly fantastical at the current moment; you might as well wonder about whether the current incumbent could be a hobbit.)
A president should be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove. He should play the long game, 3-D chess many moves ahead, a clever politician. He should read widely and pursue contact with the American people; he should attend military funerals and meet Girl Scouts and cadets. And most crucially (as Napoleon advised), he should be lucky. He should have the knack of having things break his, and therefore our, way.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Will the need to distract from grand juries and his own wrong-doing enter into the timing of his his buring down of their house? But maybe if it is a tweeted order, the generals will ignore it like they did re transgender.

I do gravely disagree with "breaking our way". Because it is so 19th century. There is but one human family.

"I don't believe in guarded boarders
and I don't believe in hate.
I don't believe in generals
and their stinking torture states"

Bruce Cockburn's lyric goes on to to "cry for Guatemala" and ask for a rocket launcher to take out the helicopters, which were made in the USA and the soldiers trained in the School of the Americas. All on behalf of the United Fruit Company originally, which is now Chiquita.

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This (from the POST) is why we can't have nice things.
The OMG quote: 'Over the past two years, Jeffress said, Trump has been “very measured, very thoughtful in every response.”' [brick wall] [Ultra confused]

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O well, that's it, then. 'God' is on Ozymandias' side, so everyone else is OK to be fucked up.

I wonder if 'Pastor' Jeffress has a deal with 'God', so that he (Jeffress) and his minions will not suffer the consequences of Ozymandias' fire, fury.....and fall-out?

And I wonder how these 'evangelical Christians' will explain away the deaths of thousands of their own kind, if one of Kim Wrong-Trim's nice shiny new missiles takes out one of their 'churches'?

[Mad]

IJ

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