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Ian Climacus
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quote: He tells it like a normal person, not someone raised to be politically correct 100% of the time.
Sounds like what people say about one of our right-wing nut-job politicians.
quote: My wife is much younger than me and pays $1,555 a month for Obamacare, about 20% of our income.
This is ridiculous. But no excuse for Trump-voting. But I feel for that couple ACA-wise.
I'm off a walk to try and forget their arguments...depressing as Brenda wrote. "Trump is absolutely not a racist" repeated and repeated.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: Quoting somebody: quote: My wife is much younger than me and pays $1,555 a month for Obamacare, about 20% of our income.
If that's 20% of their gross income they make $93,000. If it's their net income and we guess income tax and FICA at 35%, they make $145,000. How do you have a job making that kind of money and not have health insurance?
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simontoad
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where does that sit on the wealth scale in the States Mousethief? I'm assuming that's household income.
N.B. I have no idea whether that's relevant to the ACA debate ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by simontoad: where does that sit on the wealth scale in the States Mousethief? I'm assuming that's household income.
N.B. I have no idea whether that's relevant to the ACA debate
How much that will buy depends on where you live, but it's a hell of a lot more than minimum wage. The median household income is $51,000. The national minimum wage, multiplied by 40 hours per week, is about $15,000. [ 24. August 2017, 03:45: Message edited by: mousethief ]
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Golden Key
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Maybe some kind of contract worker? Or freelance? Either way, wouldn't technically be anyone's employee.
I wonder if that stated premium is for both of them together? And maybe kids?
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Lamb Chopped
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There's always the possibility that he's either incompetent at math or not bothering to do it. Or just making up figures off the top of his head.
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quote: Originally posted by simontoad: [QUOTE] I reckon, given its history, the army will act like the Egyptian Army did if it looks like the islamists are taking over. Islamists are bad for business, and the Pakistani elite love a bit of business.
I have to disagree with that. The chief contrast between the Egyptian and Pakistani cases is that the Egyptian military is resolutely opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas the Pakistani military, and especially the Inter-Services Intelligence, are riddled with sympathisers of various Islamist groups, if not being surreptitiously Islamist themselves. Pakistan has regional security issues (which have no analogy in the Egyptian case) in which Islamist organisations or lone wolves could prove to be very useful.
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Golden Key
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I think the scariest person in that article is the very last one--19 yr. old man; half African-American and half Japanese; he thinks T is pro-diversity, that the Confederate flag isn't racist, and that "Antifa is the KKK, just without the history".
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Lamb Chopped: Or just making up figures off the top of his head.
This is my guess.
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simontoad
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quote: Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre: quote: Originally posted by simontoad: [QUOTE] I reckon, given its history, the army will act like the Egyptian Army did if it looks like the islamists are taking over. Islamists are bad for business, and the Pakistani elite love a bit of business.
I have to disagree with that. The chief contrast between the Egyptian and Pakistani cases is that the Egyptian military is resolutely opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas the Pakistani military, and especially the Inter-Services Intelligence, are riddled with sympathisers of various Islamist groups, if not being surreptitiously Islamist themselves. Pakistan has regional security issues (which have no analogy in the Egyptian case) in which Islamist organisations or lone wolves could prove to be very useful.
I take your point, viz. the residence of our favourite terrorist in the middle of an army town for some years. Certainly there are people in the Pakistani army who are sympathetic to Islamists, and more who are happy to receive complimentary cash from them. But I think when push comes to shove, an army with a long history of taking over when its interests are threatened will choose to take over when its interests are threatened.
I don't think you're saying that Egypt doesn't have security issues with Islamists, huh. I guess its difficulty protecting Copts and tourists isn't analagous to Pakistan, but the Sinai was a bit of a hot-spot last time I looked.
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Ian Climacus
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Thanks for the responses to the quote I posted and the various bits of information. I was just rather shocked at that wage you could spend 20% on a health plan. I should've been more sceptical.
quote: Originally posted by Golden Key: I think the scariest person in that article is the very last one--19 yr. old man; half African-American and half Japanese; he thinks T is pro-diversity, that the Confederate flag isn't racist, and that "Antifa is the KKK, just without the history".
Indeed. But what is the solution here? How can someone with such views have those views, let alone come to understand the truth? Reading those profiles I was struck with how blind some can be if it does not fit with their narrative. I know that is well attested to, but this is on a whole new scale to me. [ 24. August 2017, 07:20: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: How can someone with such views have those views, let alone come to understand the truth? Reading those profiles I was struck with how blind some can be if it does not fit with their narrative. I know that is well attested to, but this is on a whole new scale to me.
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Ian Climacus
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Not meaning to take the crown from you, but I am sure we have similar people. As does every country. They're usually smart enough to realise vocalising such thoughts is foolish, though. No more! Every opinion is valid. One loony senator here wants to make sure our public broadcaster gives equal time to anti-vaxers. All opinions equal!
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Golden Key
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Wow! The news update crawling along the bottom of my TV's screen said that Valerie Plame, former CIA field agent who was outed as such and lost her career, is trying to buy Twitter--so she can close T's account!
I know there are issues of individual rights, but I hope she can do it. ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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Don't hold your breath; if it happens I'll be very surprised. Also, if one service throws you off or locks you out, you can go to another. That's what the various neo-Nazi groups are doing, as they lose their web hosts and online-payment providers. It would possibly not do for you and me, with our fourteen Twitter followers, to leave Twitter and go to some third tier provider. But the President of the United States can be pretty well guaranteed to attract a load of followers to the new service, whatever it is, and thus launch it like a rocket. And can we imagine Li'l Donny, thrown off of Twitter, just bowing his head and deciding to get away a little from online controversies and instead devote his attention to good works? Oh please.
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I have been in a real depression since November. I had a suspicion that Tangerine Tyrant woukd win the election -- just based on my observations of fellow citizens here in flyover country -- but the election results still hit hard, especially because of the Russian meddling and the gaming of the Electoral College.
Apart from the general fear that we're well on our way to a fascist dictatorship...I think what I resent most of all is the anxiety and, yes, hatred that this whole shitshow has elicited in me. I can't go for a country drive to admire the wildlife without wondering ehen the Administration's gutting of environmental regulations is going to kill everything off. When I take MOOCs online -- my hobby -- I wonder when the Internet will become inaccessible, or censored. I can't watch television news. I am afraid for our grandkids, especially because They're female in an increasingly misogynist societym. I find myself plotting exit strategies over the border if everything turns to complete shit here, and wondering if any other country would even consider letting in two old ladies in less than wonderful health. I am always angry and anxious. And then I get angry because I know that this is the fascist m.o., and I'm falling for it, like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football, over and over again.I confess that I don't know how to process all this sadness and anger and fear.
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: Quoting somebody: quote: My wife is much younger than me and pays $1,555 a month for Obamacare, about 20% of our income.
If that's 20% of their gross income they make $93,000. If it's their net income and we guess income tax and FICA at 35%, they make $145,000. How do you have a job making that kind of money and not have health insurance?
The somebody says "our income" and not "her income". From the article, he's a retired vet and auto worker - maybe he gets $40K or so when you add up his pension and social security, which would give his wife a $50K or so job. Or maybe she's self-employed, or something.
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Brenda Clough
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quote: Originally posted by LutheranChik: I have been in a real depression since November. I had a suspicion that Tangerine Tyrant woukd win the election -- just based on my observations of fellow citizens here in flyover country -- but the election results still hit hard, especially because of the Russian meddling and the gaming of the Electoral College.
I find activism consoling. To -do- something is better than just suffering. Even if you can't march, or knit pussyhats, or link arms in demonstrations against neo-Nazis, or if you haven't the income to join the ACLU or Planned Parenthood or donate to candidates, you can phone or write or even visit Congresspersons. And there is the point that silence is assumed to be consent.
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quote: Originally posted by LutheranChik: I have been in a real depression since November.
Same here. Some days I can barely get out of bed.
quote: Originally posted by LutheranChik: I had a suspicion that Tangerine Tyrant woukd win the election -- just based on my observations of fellow citizens here in flyover country -- but the election results still hit hard, especially because of the Russian meddling and the gaming of the Electoral College.
Same here in the Northeast, based on the volume of Trump signage beyond the limits of the small Dem city I live in.
And I so wish the at the NYT or WaPo would round up the Electors and interrogate them. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??!!
quote: Originally posted by LutheranChik: Apart from the general fear that we're well on our way to a fascist dictatorship...I think what I resent most of all is the anxiety and, yes, hatred that this whole shitshow has elicited in me. I can't go for a country drive to admire the wildlife without wondering ehen the Administration's gutting of environmental regulations is going to kill everything off. When I take MOOCs online -- my hobby -- I wonder when the Internet will become inaccessible, or censored. I can't watch television news. I am afraid for our grandkids, especially because They're female in an increasingly misogynist societym. I find myself plotting exit strategies over the border if everything turns to complete shit here, and wondering if any other country would even consider letting in two old ladies in less than wonderful health. I am always angry and anxious. And then I get angry because I know that this is the fascist m.o., and I'm falling for it, like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football, over and over again.I confess that I don't know how to process all this sadness and anger and fear.
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Pangolin Guerre
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quote: Originally posted by simontoad: quote: Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre: quote: Originally posted by simontoad: [QUOTE] I reckon, given its history, the army will act like the Egyptian Army did if it looks like the islamists are taking over. Islamists are bad for business, and the Pakistani elite love a bit of business.
I have to disagree with that. The chief contrast between the Egyptian and Pakistani cases is that the Egyptian military is resolutely opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas the Pakistani military, and especially the Inter-Services Intelligence, are riddled with sympathisers of various Islamist groups, if not being surreptitiously Islamist themselves. Pakistan has regional security issues (which have no analogy in the Egyptian case) in which Islamist organisations or lone wolves could prove to be very useful.
I take your point, viz. the residence of our favourite terrorist in the middle of an army town for some years. Certainly there are people in the Pakistani army who are sympathetic to Islamists, and more who are happy to receive complimentary cash from them. But I think when push comes to shove, an army with a long history of taking over when its interests are threatened will choose to take over when its interests are threatened.
I don't think you're saying that Egypt doesn't have security issues with Islamists, huh. I guess its difficulty protecting Copts and tourists isn't analagous to Pakistan, but the Sinai was a bit of a hot-spot last time I looked.
My laptop just ate my response. Fucking technology. So this is a truncation, because I'm too pissed off to attempt reproducing the response verbatim.
Ok.... No, I am not saying that Egypt doesn't have a problem with Islamists, as I acknowledged re: the Brotherhood. The difference is that Pakistan has regional considerations which have no analogy in the Egyptian case. Pakistan has to contend with India, and an increasingly complicated relationship with China. Yes, nice to have the Chinese upgrade existing and build new infrastructure, as it also helps to encircle India; but what happens when China further cracks down on its Uighur population? How will Pakistan, or Islamists within Pakistan react?
What you write about the Pakistani army being happy to do 'business as usual', that would be true - up until the 1990s. Since then, elements of the younger cohort within the army have been 'desecularised', and I think that it would be prudent to cease viewing the Pakistani military as being as monolithic as it once was. Its complexion is changing, and however correct you are about its history (and I agree), its past cannot be safely extrapolated into the future, at least not without liberal use of the subjunctive mood as an escape hatch.
Egypt has no contiguous regional rivals. The Muslim Brotherhood, et al., are a problem, but are territorially confined to the Sinai. Libya is a problem only insofar as it can serve as a haven for Islamists amidst the chaos. Sudan is a consideration only for the same reason. They aren't rivals, only problems. Insofar as Saudi Arabia is concerned, they, too, are enemies of the Brotherhood, so whatever differences between them and Egypt, they are small and irrelevant.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Leorning Cniht: The somebody says "our income" and not "her income". From the article, he's a retired vet and auto worker - maybe he gets $40K or so when you add up his pension and social security, which would give his wife a $50K or so job. Or maybe she's self-employed, or something.
Yeah, as noted above. This is why we need single-payer, not to bitch about Obamacare.
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Ian Climacus
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quote: Originally posted by Ohher: And I so wish the at the NYT or WaPo would round up the Electors and interrogate them. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??!!
Sorry to hear of the deep pain LutheranChik and Other.
I do not want to cause any more, but I can I ask about the quote above? Bear in mind I'm from across the Pacific and have limited knowledge of your electoral ways.
What could / should they have done? Are they not beholden to the state's vote? I'd have I missed something? I heard they can bypass the popular candidate if they are a tyrant or otherwise not suitable...I guess that is where you were thinking they should've said No? Or something else?
Thanks.
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Ian Climacus
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quote: Originally posted by mousethief: quote: Originally posted by Leorning Cniht: The somebody says "our income" and not "her income". From the article, he's a retired vet and auto worker - maybe he gets $40K or so when you add up his pension and social security, which would give his wife a $50K or so job. Or maybe she's self-employed, or something.
Yeah, as noted above. This is why we need single-payer, not to bitch about Obamacare.
What is single-payer and how would it help? Does the rate go up the more you earn, so splitting the wages makes the combined sum less?
e.g. on $90k pay $1000 a month. on $45k pay $300 a month (not $500) ? [ 25. August 2017, 07:16: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]
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simontoad
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I *think* I know what single-payer is, but I am so glad I don't have to know. I *think* we have a single-payer system in OZ for people who choose to rely on the public system.
Pangolin, an excellent post about Egypt and Pakistan. By 'business as usual' and similar business-oriented phrases I was attempting to dance around a reference to corruption. But you are spot on, my read on the situation in Pakistan is based on past behavior. In my job, we get a few people who are students from the sub-continent working casually. Next time I meet one from Pakistan I'll grill them on the situation. I tell myself that they enjoy it.
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: What is single-payer and how would it help? Does the rate go up the more you earn, so splitting the wages makes the combined sum less?
e.g. on $90k pay $1000 a month. on $45k pay $300 a month (not $500)
Single payer is where the government pays for health care costs (they are the single payer) but (in the American instance) provision of health care is done privately.
It would be funded via some form of progressive taxation.
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I think everyone everywhere agrees that the American system is the worst -- both costly and ineffective. The question then becomes, which system should we try to work towards? The Canadians do it differently than Sweden or the UK, for instance. We can't just wave the wand and impose the ideal system; there has to be a way to get from where we are now to a better one. You can easily discern that this is a task that calls for maturity, compromise, and patience. Which is to say that Li'l Donny is not going to participate in it. Mercifully, a bipartisan committee in Congress seems willing to cut him right out of the process, and is working on compromise legislation.
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quote: Originally posted by chris stiles: quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: What is single-payer and how would it help? Does the rate go up the more you earn, so splitting the wages makes the combined sum less?
e.g. on $90k pay $1000 a month. on $45k pay $300 a month (not $500)
Single payer is where the government pays for health care costs (they are the single payer) but (in the American instance) provision of health care is done privately.
It would be funded via some form of progressive taxation.
Essentially correct. Since single payer health care is paid for by the government (i.e. through taxation) the individual cost for health care goes up according to income to the degree that the tax system you're living under is progressive.
It should be noted that single payer is just one form of universal health care. Blogger Kevin Drum compiled a primer, which I'm going to shamelessly crib from here.
quote: Here’s a very brief primer on the five basic forms of health insurance:
- Socialist: The government owns the hospitals and directly employs the doctors. Britain’s NHS is the best known example. In the United States, VA healthcare works on this model.
- - Single-payer: Doctors and hospitals are mostly private entities, but are paid exclusively by the government. Canada is single-payer, with each province acting as the sole source of payment to doctors and hospitals. In the US, Medicaid and traditional Medicare are single-payer.
- - Multi-payer: Same as single-payer, but doctors and hospitals are paid by multiple sources: the government, regulated sickness funds, regulated insurers, etc. There’s a continuum in multi-payer systems, from those that are almost single payer (France) to those where other payers play larger roles (Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc.). This is the most common form of universal health care, and its advantage over single-payer is that it offers a little more flexibility in coverage. In the US, Medicare Advantage is basically multi-payer.
- - Subsidized private: People are required to be covered by private insurance, but the government provides subsidies to make coverage affordable. Switzerland uses this system. In the US, this is the Obamacare model.
- - Private: In the rich world, this is used only in the United States. Employer health care in America is essentially entirely private, although government is involved indirectly via the tax code, which allows employees to receive health coverage free of taxes.
All but that last one are a form of universal health care. You'll note that most of the universal forms of health care provision have some analog in the U.S., but none of those U.S. analogs are built to cover everyone.
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Brenda Clough
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I even know how to get there from here. Currently you get onto Medicare when you are 65. So, suppose the decision is Medicare for all. Next year, the age is 64. This gives the medical industry time to digest the larger number of sign-ons. Next year or the year after, when things have steadied, the age goes down to 63. We keep on doing this, the age gradually lower and lower, until finally everybody's on Medicare. (I would think that by the time you got down to the 30s or so you could just say, OK, everybody into the pool.)
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The blog above is incomplete so far as the Canadian model is reported. Only hospital and physician services are covered on a fee-for-service basis, and only some medications (not many) by some provinces (not many) in some instances of excessive costs or low income. There is very limited non-physician care in the public system in Canada. And less all the time as removal of coverage occurs due to costs.
Mental health care in hospital emergency rooms for assessment is provided, community based treatment other than psychiatry for medication reviews is generally not covered, and thus user pay (psychological therapy, psychotherapy). Physical therapy, occupational therapy, optometry, speech therapy, chiropractic, family and marital therapy, anything connected to the legal system (e.g., post divorce child custody involvement) are all fee for services - user must pay directly. Many employers, by far not all, will have a limited amount of funds via a private insurance plan to pay for a minimal level of care for some of the non-doctor services.
The main problem I see as someone who does consultation in health care policies is that we have too many hospitals and too much care is provided in hospitals that could be provided in less costly locations. Hospitals are dearly loved by corporate donors so they can put their sponsorship name on the building and essentially have the tax payers reimburse them because they claim it as advertising on taxes. We also have the issue of physicians cornering the market on some services which can be provided by more qualified people at less expense. But it is changing with nurse practitioners, medications being handled by others, non-medicare services paid for by quasi-public agencies who look at cost effectiveness and evidence base, e.g., workers' compensation, public auto injury insurance, RCMP and other police health, veterans, First Nations.
From my vantage point after a fairly lengthy career, I'd say a good starting point for a new public health insurance program would be coverage for catastrophic injuries. Maybe income-dependent coverage for expenses over 10% of income. Which means cancer or serious injury doesn't mean bankruptcy or/and commit suicide.
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simontoad
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Do you Canuks have no-fault statutory insurance schemes for road accident and workplace injury No Prophet?
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Ian Climacus
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Thanks for the single payer explanations, and subsequent posts. Appreciated.
Is the *socialist* VA veterans? Or the state?
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quote: Originally posted by simontoad: Do you Canuks have no-fault statutory insurance schemes for road accident and workplace injury No Prophet?
There is no Canadian standard (and, btw, no one in Canada likes or uses the word "canuk"). Both these are regulated by the province, and their regimes vary considerably.
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: Thanks for the single payer explanations, and subsequent posts. Appreciated.
Is the *socialist* VA veterans? Or the state?
The VA is the US Department of Veterans Affairs, which includes as its largest component the Veterans Health Administration.
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quote: Originally posted by John Holding: quote: Originally posted by simontoad: Do you Canuks have no-fault statutory insurance schemes for road accident and workplace injury No Prophet?
There is no Canadian standard (and, btw, no one in Canada likes or uses the word "canuk"). Both these are regulated by the province, and their regimes vary considerably.
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Thanks and apologies, didn't realise it was offensive.
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mousethief
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Carrying the tangent just a little further -- do people find the name of the Vancouver hockey team offensive? Or is it one of those "We can call ourselves that but you can't" things like "nigga"? (With which I have no problem, but I just wonder if that's the case.)
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Jonah the Whale
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quote: Originally posted by John Holding: No one in Canada likes or uses the word "canuk"). [/QB]
John Holding doesn't like or use the word, but apparently others do. Wikipedia
quote: English Canadians use "Canuck" as an affectionate or merely descriptive term for their nationality. It is not considered derogatory in Canada.
If familiar with the term, most citizens of other nations, including the United States, also use it affectionately, though there are individuals who may use it as derogatory term.
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Pangolin Guerre
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I wouldn't say that "Canuck" is derogatory as such, but I wouldn't call it affectionate, either, and I certainly don't embrace it. "Canadian" works just fine. As does "bark-eater". [ 26. August 2017, 07:07: Message edited by: Pangolin Guerre ]
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Ian Climacus
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And Trump restores the military transgender ban...
Truly we are all going backwards. What a slap in the face to those who serve.
Are the arguments against "oohhhh ikky" ones? I hear about surgery costs paid by the military, which does sound odd at first, but am I right in thinking the military provided healthcare which is used, rather than the military benevolently deciding to fund operations?
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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And the Fartletter-in-Chief has pardoned the despicable Joe Arpaio after all. Another notorious criminal free to walk the streets. Just be careful what neighborhoods you wander into, Joe, especially now.
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What with the Lord of Abomination imposing the military transgender ban, pardoning Despicable Joe, and having to watch missiles fired from North Korea, along with the arrival of Hurricane Harvey -
America.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Is the USA tired of all the winning yet?
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Are we "Great Again" yet? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Prester John
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quote: Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe: And the Fartletter-in-Chief has pardoned the despicable Joe Arpaio after all. Another notorious criminal free to walk the streets. Just be careful what neighborhoods you wander into, Joe, especially now.
I eagerly await Senator Clinton's condemnation of the abuse of the Presidential pardon.
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quote: Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe: And the Fartletter-in-Chief has pardoned the despicable Joe Arpaio after all. Another notorious criminal free to walk the streets. Just be careful what neighborhoods you wander into, Joe, especially now.
Arpaio and Trump are two racist turds swirling around each other in a toilet bowl. Time for a nation-wide one-day Latino general strike. Forget the impending government shutdown, shut the whole fucking country down now.
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Pangolin Guerre
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Perhaps Arpaio will be appointed the wall monitor. (Searching for my coat...)
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I'd go for that, provided we give him a rolling library ladder to do it on, and absolutely no help whatsoever. (and take any weapons away, natch)
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