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Brenda Clough
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Elsewhere on the internet someone has suggested starting a GoFund Me or a Kickstarter drive for the wall. Let Crooked Don's disciples pay for it; the Mexicans clearly don't intend to.

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I like that!

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Surely that Kickstarter had to be in jest. (It was, wasn't it?)

I find the wall incoherence baffling. First, Mexico will pay for it. They said, No, senor. Trump ignores that and blathers on. Then, during his Arizona sideshow he says that if Congress doesn't pay for pay for the wall, he'll shut the government down in the budget showdown (reminding me of the National Lampoon cover of a border collie with a gun to its head "Buy This Magazine or the Dog Gets It") - and the crowd goes wild, forgetting that America was not supposed to pay for it. So, if it doesn't get built, it's no longer Mexico's fault, but Congress's. If Trump is so rich, let him fund the thing that he so idiotically promised.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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No PG. Vincente Fox, former president of Mexico did not say "no senor", he said "we won't pay for that fucking wall".

He didn't say that trumpy's crack-brained idea was racist, but it was understood.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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This is a worthy parody of Simon and Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence" (Confounds the Science).

quote:
...When he talks to crowds of four
he sees ten thousand maybe more,
believing they all think he’s god on earth
and was the product of a virgin birth
and if you disagree you’re the victim of fake news...



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I'm aware of what Fox was reported to have said.

My state of bafflement remains unassuaged.

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Brenda Clough
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He is a man who lives purely in the present, and what he said ten months, or ten days, or ten minutes ago, has no effect on what emerges from his mouth (or his Twitter finger) at this present moment. Consistency is for little people.

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whenever I see the word unassuaged I feel like cooking a frankfurter. The feeling is stronger when I see assuage.

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Timing is everything. From NPR a little less than two weeks ago: Trump Rolls Back Obama-Era Flood Standards For Infrastructure Projects.

This seems like it might be more relevant today.

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I hadn't heard about that.

Do you think he is smart enough to push these things through when people are (rightly) focussed on other egregious acts he has committed? What is being missed by the general populace, or the standard interested observer, when decrying Nazis takes up the headlines (as it should) and gets all the attention (as it should get some, a lot, of attention): what sneaks under the radar?

I know he is not the first to do this...our politicians reveal/sneak through things on Friday evening or when other events are on the agenda, but does he operate this way generally? Can we be too focussed on certain events (probably can never be too focussed on Nazis...can't believe I'm typing that in 2017), and miss more terrible things?

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Racist donny pardons racist joey. Ain't that sweet.
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T is supposed to go survey the Harvey flood damage Tuesday. Betcha he will say something stupid, offensive, or wildly ignorant. Or go for the triple crown?

What in the world did those poor people do to be cursed with a visit from him???

[Votive]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
What in the world did those poor people do to be cursed with a visit from him???

Voted for him. 74% of them did anyway.

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Perhaps he's going to build the greatest, bigliest, beautifullest ark ever and save all the Texans except of course the bad hombres.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
What in the world did those poor people do to be cursed with a visit from him???

Voted for him. 74% of them did anyway.
That may be part of it; but presidents are expected to show up for disasters. I just think the folks affected by Harvey have enough problems without T showing up and saying something stupid.

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And the people of the Houston area have enough to deal with without all of the logistics (security, road closures, etc.) of a presidential visit.
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Disasters in the US call for great dexterity from politicians. Even one wrong photograph can throw the entire presidency off when it goes viral. (Example: the one of GWB looking out of his helicopter window at Katrina flooding, giving us that 'rich guy surveys the suffering peons from on high' vibe, from which he never recovered.)
Or one off-the-cuff comment. (Example: Mayor Marion Barry in sunny Palm Springs while his city was digging out of a major blizzard. He said, "It'll melt." True! But against a backdrop of palm trees and golf courses it excited fury. He was voted out next November, and his name is still a regional byword in snow removal.)
And when you say 'deft political footwork' the current incumbent is not the first image that leaps into your brain. So the possibilities for disaster loom large.

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quote:
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And the people of the Houston area have enough to deal with without all of the logistics (security, road closures, etc.) of a presidential visit.
[Mad]

Well, the roads are already closed, so there's one less thing they have to worry about.

I'm surprised someone hasn't said (perhaps they have) that natural disasters such as this are God's way of showing his displeasure over the election results.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
What in the world did those poor people do to be cursed with a visit from him???

Voted for him. 74% of them did anyway.
Not sure where you're getting that number from. Texas as a whole voted for Trump by a margin of 53% vs. 44% for Clinton. The specific places he's visiting (last I heard) are Corpus Christi (49%/47% Trump/Clinton split) and Austin (which Clinton carried 66% to 27%. A couple counties in the Houston suburbs (Montgomery and Grimes) did indeed go for Trump 74%, but he's not visiting either of those place, as far as I know. Harris County, where most of Houston is located, was carried by Clinton 54%/42%.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Disasters in the US call for great dexterity from politicians. Even one wrong photograph can throw the entire presidency off when it goes viral. (Example: the one of GWB looking out of his helicopter window at Katrina flooding, giving us that 'rich guy surveys the suffering peons from on high' vibe, from which he never recovered.)

Along with the memorable "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job"

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My mistake, I misread Houston County for Houston.

There are plenty of Counties with >70% and some >80% for Trump in Texas. Houston is >70%, it's just I now know that Houston is 100km from Houston, which is in fact in Harris.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Disasters in the US call for great dexterity from politicians. Even one wrong photograph can throw the entire presidency off when it goes viral. (Example: the one of GWB looking out of his helicopter window at Katrina flooding, giving us that 'rich guy surveys the suffering peons from on high' vibe, from which he never recovered.)
Or one off-the-cuff comment. (Example: Mayor Marion Barry in sunny Palm Springs while his city was digging out of a major blizzard. He said, "It'll melt." True! But against a backdrop of palm trees and golf courses it excited fury. He was voted out next November, and his name is still a regional byword in snow removal.)
And when you say 'deft political footwork' the current incumbent is not the first image that leaps into your brain. So the possibilities for disaster loom large.

Sitting alone in a conference room at Camp David with an untouched notepad in front of you while your Vice President and cabinet gather in the White House situation room seems like starting off on the wrong metaphorical foot to be deft.

I worry that the American press is so desperate for Trump to be normal and competent that they'll manufacture a narrative to that effect no matter what happens. The late David Broder's column on how George Bush's handling of Hurricane Katrina was going to save his presidency comes to mind as an example of this in action.

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quote:
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I'm surprised someone hasn't said (perhaps they have) that natural disasters such as this are God's way of showing his displeasure over the election results.

Tch. Haven't you heard? Everybody knows that it's gay people He's smiting.

I think it was C.S. Lewis who said that pain is the final desperate touch of reality. Yeah, the columnists can spin and spin. (David Brooks has been an idiot for years.) But the people standing chest deep in flood water, they are touching reality. And they cannot be fooled, if the government screws it up. Bush deserved all the stick he got and more. Bullshit falls apart, in the face of real disasters.

[ 29. August 2017, 15:35: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
I'm surprised someone hasn't said (perhaps they have) that natural disasters such as this are God's way of showing his displeasure over the election results.

Tch. Haven't you heard? Everybody knows that it's gay people He's smiting.
Fred Clark put together a list of the worst storms in American history and the sins that caused God to send them. Bear in mind that theometeorology is still a field in its infancy.

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Ooh, a real word? or is it your own brilliant neologism?
Another example of the maturity and realism of the subject of this topic. As you recall, there had been Craigslist ads for hiring of actors (of color only, please, no white people need apply) to fill in the crowd. Clearly they had not hired enough; perhaps the new guy in the job will have the foresight to pay $15 an hour next time.

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An interesting comment on Hurricane Harvey and climate change:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41082668

The Supremest And Bigliest Leader would, of course, deny this. Doubtless Harvey, to him, is punishment from God for the poor turn-out at his Phoenix Monologue.

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Getting there as soon it was safe enough - The Donald has actually done something right.

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Although if you seek out the pictures, his wife is dressed in 4 inch high heels. Just what you need for a flood zone, yes!

[ 29. August 2017, 21:37: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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Can anyone explain to me why the President has been pictured sitting inside in his briefing room at Camp David wearing a baseball cap?

Is it normal for American men to wear hats indoors? That's not my experience, but perhaps it's different in other parts of the country.

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Leorning: There is nothing normal about this President. NOTHING.

The hat is a prop to appeal to his elderly blue-collar supporters.

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If that is the white one that says USA on the front and TRUMP in the back, he is selling them on his web site. Remember the real purpose of this presidency.

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quote:
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I'm surprised someone hasn't said (perhaps they have) that natural disasters such as this are God's way of showing his displeasure over the election results.

Someone has -- and gotten fired for it.

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quote:
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quote:
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I'm surprised someone hasn't said (perhaps they have) that natural disasters such as this are God's way of showing his displeasure over the election results.

Someone has -- and gotten fired for it.
This whole fucking country is one big hypocrisy.

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Dare I inject a hope of optimism?

The sustained resistance.
The, at times, lone voice crying sense in the wilderness.
Some very good journalists who don't treat these issues as simple, but understand the complexity and nuance involved.
And more.

Sure, there are problems. And I don't want to use the G word as it has Trump taint, but you are still pretty damn fantastic in many ways.

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Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

[sniffs. Wipes eyes]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

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quote:
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If that is the white one that says USA on the front and TRUMP in the back, he is selling them on his web site. Remember the real purpose of this presidency.

Reportedly, the campaign was so T could get leverage for renegotiating with NBC execs re his "Celebrity Apprentice" show. (Per his friend Howard Stern.) And he never, ever wanted to do the work of the presidency--said during the campaign by both T and his campaign manager. (Manafort?)

Of course, now that he is (sigh) president, it's all about him, and people liking him, how little work he can get away with, and getting out of that "dump" of a house as often as possible.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Can anyone explain to me why the President has been pictured sitting inside in his briefing room at Camp David wearing a baseball cap?

Is it normal for American men to wear hats indoors? That's not my experience, but perhaps it's different in other parts of the country.

His hair stylist probably didn't have time to do the backcombing of his thatch.

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Is it normal for American men to wear hats indoors?

It is rather common (in every sense of the word). Miss Amanda's experience is that few gentlemen (and, alas, few ladies) know the rules of etiquette anymore.

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Hat, gentleman, trump
We're talking important things

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quote:
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quote:
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If that is the white one that says USA on the front and TRUMP in the back, he is selling them on his web site. Remember the real purpose of this presidency.

Reportedly, the campaign was so T could get leverage for renegotiating with NBC execs re his "Celebrity Apprentice" show. (Per his friend Howard Stern.) And he never, ever wanted to do the work of the presidency--said during the campaign by both T and his campaign manager. (Manafort?)

Of course, now that he is (sigh) president, it's all about him, and people liking him, how little work he can get away with, and getting out of that "dump" of a house as often as possible.

Would that were so! No, the real goal is to funnel as much money into his businesses and pockets while the going is good. Which is why, if you are a lobbyist, a foreign delegation, or in any way hoping to do business with the US government, you would be wise to stay at the Trump Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue ($500 a night, but if you can't afford that he doesn't want to see you anyway). Also the diplomatic functions at his various properties, the using of public funds for the laddish sons to skate around the world doing deals, etc. Not to mention the energetic effort to cut taxes for the .01% and the doing of deals with Russia.

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Is it normal for American men to wear hats indoors?

It is rather common (in every sense of the word). Miss Amanda's experience is that few gentlemen (and, alas, few ladies) know the rules of etiquette anymore.
Common. It is a horrible term. Most especially grating when voiced by an American,* but awful anywhere.
Etiquette is another excuse for classicism.


*Because they are supposed to be a classless society.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Etiquette is another excuse for classicism.

In some instances, yes. But not always. It used to be men of every class knew not to wear a hat or cap indoors. It's not hard to take one's cap off when entering a building; not like memorizing which fork to use or which shoes to wear to what kind of affair. Those elements of "etiquette" definitely reinforce classism. The hat thing, not so much.

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Can anyone explain to me why the President has been pictured sitting inside in his briefing room at Camp David wearing a baseball cap?

Product placement. The hat is available for $40 from the Trump campaign.

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Can anyone explain to me why the President has been pictured sitting inside in his briefing room at Camp David wearing a baseball cap?

I was somewhat bemused that watching TV all weekend was apparently 'monitoring the situation'.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Etiquette is another excuse for classicism.

In some instances, yes. But not always. It used to be men of every class knew not to wear a hat or cap indoors. It's not hard to take one's cap off when entering a building; not like memorizing which fork to use or which shoes to wear to what kind of affair. Those elements of "etiquette" definitely reinforce classism. The hat thing, not so much.
Hats are an example of trickle down etiquette, not absence of its classicism.
Etiquette is designed to separate. Why is wearing a hat indoors disrespectful? Why is wearing one outdoors "proper"?
What to wear, when to wear it and others things are artificial and the rules for doing so are bound to class as, until relative recently, the rich were the only ones with access to the rule books and the time to read them.

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Meanwhile, as The Great Pomegranate peddles his trumpery headgear to the unfortunates of Texas, Kim Wrong-Trim is busy chucking missiles out of his pram.

What price Armageddon next week?

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Etiquette is another excuse for classicism.

In some instances, yes. But not always. It used to be men of every class knew not to wear a hat or cap indoors. It's not hard to take one's cap off when entering a building; not like memorizing which fork to use or which shoes to wear to what kind of affair. Those elements of "etiquette" definitely reinforce classism. The hat thing, not so much.
Hats are an example of trickle down etiquette, not absence of its classicism.
Etiquette is designed to separate. Why is wearing a hat indoors disrespectful? Why is wearing one outdoors "proper"?
What to wear, when to wear it and others things are artificial and the rules for doing so are bound to class as, until relative recently, the rich were the only ones with access to the rule books and the time to read them.

//Tangent

So my saying "please", "thank you", holding a door open, addressing my unintroduced elders (hell, unintroduced anyone), as "Sir" or "Ma'am", "Mr Smith", "Mrs Jones" perpetuates an oppressive class system?

To answer the hat question, removing one's hat is a sign of respect. Even outdoors, one removes one's hat at the passing of a funeral cortege, anthem, hymn, prayer, minute of silence, etc. Or throw it into the air with a "Huzzah!" when the Revolution is declared. (And shortly thereafter lilBuddha will have me up against the wall as a bourgeois counter-revolutionary fashion formalist, my cravat properly knotted and I refusing cigarette and blindfold.)

And the whole "which fork?" thing is an absolute canard. It's cutlery, not astrophysics.

Ranting tangent concluded//

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People don't normally get their etiquette from books. Ideally you get it from your parents, teachers, Scoutmaster, etc. Or from anybody at church or in the community who sees you screwing up.

(I took on that role a couple weeks ago when the pep squad at my son's school decided the appropriate way to hold a flag while sitting was to drape it along the ground. Like, dudes. We don't do that. Though I've no doubt they meant well.)

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Quite. I was appalled when I moved into a men's residence, and witnessed the most unbelievable stabbing and torturing of the meat on the plate. Following etiquette would actually have made the whole endeavour easier. I felt sorry for them that their parents hadn't taken the time with them, and was then eternally grateful to my mother. At the time I thought that she was being a bitch, but I've learned that she prepared me for all levels of society. I know the 'proper way,' comme il faut*, but never to use it as a cudgel. People are eating ribs with their hands? Use your hands. Using a fork and knife would just mark you out as a doofus.

The thing is, if everyone knows the rules, no one will feel embarrassed, and can just concentrate on the company.

I can't recall the last time that I saw an etiquette manual.

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I have one right here on my desk. It is very old.

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