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romanlion
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Originally posted by romanlion:
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.
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"First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.
The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.
We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration."
-Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rossello
Left to starve? You should call the Governor and let him know. Maybe he's missed it.
Is that the same Ricardo Rossello who was "hypocritical[ly] manufactur[ing] outrage" by petitioning for the lifting of the Jones Act? Luckily you're here to tell him he's whining about a "pea under the mattress". ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Oh okay, so now he's a dick?
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simontoad
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Would it be too rude to suggest that I think you got the wrong end of that stick Romanlion ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Oh and I see Trump has made yet another blunder by appointing Tom Price. I think he only did it because the block has the same name as a mine in Western Australia, and Trump loves mines. Poor old Donald. He thought he knew all the best people
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simontoad
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I'm sorry I'll try that again:
Oh and I see Trump made yet another blunder by appointing Tom Price. I think he only did it because the bloke has the same name as a mine in Western Australia, and Trump loves mines. Poor old Donald. He thought he knew all the best people, but it turns out they were duds.
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mousethief
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I see he is castigating Puerto Rico for being needy following the devastation they suffered from the hurricane. Says "they want everything done for them."
There really are no words strong enough to describe the inhumanity of this so-called man. There's just nowhere to begin to describe his despicableness.
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There really are no words strong enough to describe the inhumanity of this so-called man. There's just nowhere to begin to describe his despicableness.
Every time I think he's gone as low as he can go... he surprises me by sinking even deeper.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
There really are no words strong enough to describe the inhumanity of this so-called man. There's just nowhere to begin to describe his despicableness.
Every time I think he's gone as low as he can go... he surprises me by sinking even deeper.
Yes. I've stopped saying things like "it doesn't get any lower than this" because he seems to hear it as a personal challenge.
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A psychopath surrounded by Nazis, what could possibly be beneath him ?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
A psychopath surrounded by Nazis, what could possibly be beneath him ?
Race mongers for starters...
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
A psychopath surrounded by Nazis, what could possibly be beneath him ?
Race mongers for starters...
Right. He is that too.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I see he is castigating Puerto Rico for being needy following the devastation they suffered from the hurricane. Says "they want everything done for them."
There really are no words strong enough to describe the inhumanity of this so-called man. There's just nowhere to begin to describe his despicableness.
Yes. Some people I've heard are assuming it's just because PRs are (generally) brown-skinned people. Except he helped both Texas and Florida, which have lots of brown-skinned people, too.
So I speculate that it may be more that PR isn't on the mainland, and it doesn't register as "American" with him.
I think that, much of the time, he wanders around in a short-sighted daze, ringed round with fog. So he's got his very small world, maybe stage-size. And he can hear some things through the fog, but they often don't make much sense.
It will be interesting to see how T reacts to actually visiting PR--Tuesday, IIRC. (If he even goes through with it.) I strongly advise PR to rustle up as many US flags as they can, even damaged ones, and put them all over, especially where T will land. That might just catch his interest, and prompt him to help.
I gather he's been dealing with the governor. I almost hope he meets the mayor of San Juan, the capital. (Though I'm not sure I should wish that on *her*.) She spoke to the media, trying to prod the US gov't to help them. Didn't work, so she put out a call for anyone who could hear her to help. IIRC, she also said some not-so-nice things about the US gov't. (Not blaming her, but might be counter-productive.)
What I really don't understand is why they haven't loaded up big Chinook helicopters (or whatever the current thing is) and just lower/air-drop water and basic food? In some of the coverage, military (?) involved commented that, well, we've got this logistical problem and that (can't land, no truck drivers, etc.); and, if we can't conquer those, then we could lower supplies.
So why haven't they done that??? People are starving!!!
You know, if China, Russia, or other not-fond-of-the-US countries swarmed in with supplies, they'd have quite a PR coup by helping PR.
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Brenda Clough
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You forgot the key thing. Texas and Florida voted for him, and have many electoral college votes. PR isn't even a state. Everything for Lyin' Don revolves around himself, solely. Nothing else exists.
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Golden Key
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Well, evidently the PR governor is acknowledging problems with getting aid (Yahoo).
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Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló told CBS just two days ago that thousands of shipping containers with food, water and medicine are just sitting in the port of San Juan not being distributed. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is disputing those claims.
On Friday morning, Deputy FEMA Administrator Daniel Kaniewski told CNN that the containers in the San Juan port likely hold retail goods and not hurricane relief supplies.
...how hard would it be to break the containers open...
Grrrrrr.
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PR is south of the bigly beatiful wall.
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Golden Key
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Brenda--
Yeah, I forgot voting would be a factor for him.
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Eirenist
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Or perhaps he thinks it's connected to Mexico in some way.
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Bishops Finger
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But, but...I thought Barking Mad was providing Puerto Rico (full of Brown, Bad Hombres though it might be) with the bigliest, most beautifullest federal aid any President ever in the whole world has ever given anyone, anywhere?
Am I wrong?
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O, you poor Americans. May you soon be relieved of this intolerable incubus (by non-violent means, of course - TIACW).
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Well, evidently the PR governor is acknowledging problems with getting aid (Yahoo).
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Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló told CBS just two days ago that thousands of shipping containers with food, water and medicine are just sitting in the port of San Juan not being distributed. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is disputing those claims.
On Friday morning, Deputy FEMA Administrator Daniel Kaniewski told CNN that the containers in the San Juan port likely hold retail goods and not hurricane relief supplies.
...how hard would it be to break the containers open...
Grrrrrr.
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
It will be interesting to see how T reacts to actually visiting PR--Tuesday, IIRC.
It will be more interesting to see how Puertorriqueños react to the Fartletter-in-Chief.
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I almost hope he meets the mayor of San Juan, the capital. . . . She also said some not-so-nice things about the US gov't.
My friend who lives in San Juan says there's more to her than what we're seeing on TV. Of the three political factions -- those favoring status quo, those favoring independence, and those favoring statehood -- she apparently sits staunchly with the independistas and is not shy about it.
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Bishops Finger
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Well, PR might well be better off as independent, perhaps aligning itself with China or Russia.
Just to p**s off The Barking Orange, of course.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
Well, if it's brown people doing it, sure. But if we can find a couple of white people to do the bolt-cutting then it's just surviving.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
Well, if it's brown people doing it, sure. But if we can find a couple of white people to do the bolt-cutting then it's just surviving.
Right...nothing more critical to survival in a disaster than some new Jordan's and a PS4 no matter what color you are.
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cliffdweller
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You've got some secret intel on what's in those containers? Cuz that would be super helpful right now.
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Bishops Finger
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Not that romantroll would ever reveal that secret knowledge.
Starving trolls out of existence is the only answer.
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I hear and obey.
Apologies for stepping over the mark.
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Bishops Finger
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(Forgot to add that I mistook my whereabouts, and thought I was in Hell. Too much WHISKY after lunch, perhaps. Even so, Hostly admonition duly taken).
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by romanlion:
nothing more critical to survival in a disaster than some new Jordan's
Do you know what happens to sneakers soaked in swamp water? Have you ever tried walking across rocky ground barefoot? Maybe some new Jordans would be just the thing.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if the shipping containers held more food packets, diapers, toiletries, bottled water, medicines, etc. than they do Jordans.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Well, evidently the PR governor is acknowledging problems with getting aid (Yahoo).
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Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló told CBS just two days ago that thousands of shipping containers with food, water and medicine are just sitting in the port of San Juan not being distributed. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is disputing those claims.
On Friday morning, Deputy FEMA Administrator Daniel Kaniewski told CNN that the containers in the San Juan port likely hold retail goods and not hurricane relief supplies.
...how hard would it be to break the containers open...
Grrrrrr.
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
Picture the overwhelming goodwill around the world if some people overcame the red tape which prevented relief goods paid for by the US public getting to people in need and then being accused of looting by mean-spirited public servants who should have been doing their best to move the goods to those in need.
Good 'optics' / bad 'optics' ?
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Optics aren’t important to someone who chiefly looks in the mirror.
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If I was running Cuba, I might be offering aid to Puerto Rico, and in a very public fashion.
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It's not just bolt cutters needed. It's trucks, to move materiel out to where people are. It's bulldozers, to clear the ruined roads for those trucks. It's drivers, for those bulldozers and trucks, and the diesel fuel to make them go. This all could and should have been thought about well in advance -- a preparation that calls for maturity, forethought and planning. These are not the words that first pop into your mind when you think about the current incumbent.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It's not just bolt cutters needed. It's trucks, to move materiel out to where people are. It's bulldozers, to clear the ruined roads for those trucks. It's drivers, for those bulldozers and trucks, and the diesel fuel to make them go. This all could and should have been thought about well in advance -- a preparation that calls for maturity, forethought and planning. These are not the words that first pop into your mind when you think about the current incumbent.
Because the top responsibility of the POTUS is and always has been disaster preparedness in storm prone island territories.
Local officials there have met their responsibility by appearing for the cameras in custom printed "Help us. We are dying" t-shirts.
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Your post must be some sort of satire. Because only a complete idiot could fail to be aware that the president could expedite aid. And only someone spending all their energy whacking off to Alex Jones could fail to have seen coverage of Puerto Ricans putting in great effort to help each other.
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Because the top responsibility of the POTUS is and always has been disaster preparedness in storm prone island territories. ...
Well, sure, yeah, right. It's not like his fat 73-year-old ass would be any use in an emergency, so why shouldn't he go golfing? He swore an oath to defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies and the Constitution is safe in the National Archives and doesn't need food or water or medical aid. You're quite right, there's nothing about protecting the people from natural disasters in President's oath of office. Drumpf actually believes it is his duty to expose citizens to danger. That's why he's rescinded those pesky executive orders about reinforcing infrastructure to take into account future climate changes.
romanlion, you know why "disaster preparedness in storm prone island territories" isn't in POTUS' job description? Because no President before Drumpf needed to be told.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It's not just bolt cutters needed. It's trucks, to move materiel out to where people are. It's bulldozers, to clear the ruined roads for those trucks. It's drivers, for those bulldozers and trucks, and the diesel fuel to make them go. This all could and should have been thought about well in advance -- a preparation that calls for maturity, forethought and planning. These are not the words that first pop into your mind when you think about the current incumbent.
Bingo.
And along with all that machinery, you also need staff. But FEMA was already drastically understaffed leading into hurricane season, even for normal conditions. Because it turns out hiring people is boooorrring. Being presidential is supposed to be all about parades and extra scoops of ice cream and speeches and having lots of big guns that go boom boom boom. Not boring stuff like hiring staff and allocating resources for trucks or figuring out they need fuel to run on. Booooring.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
romanlion, you know why "disaster preparedness in storm prone island territories" isn't in POTUS' job description?
Because it isn't his responsibility?
Because Mayors? Governors?
Speaking of Mayors and disaster, what's good 'ol Ray Nagin up to these days?
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He must have sold his soul to the Devil as nothing hurts him, like Putin. He can do no wrong. Whereas Theresa May and now Spain are walking dead for their single moments of political ineptitude.
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He must have sold his soul to the Devil as nothing hurts him, like Putin.
You've got a few extra words there. Here, I'll fix it for you:
He sold his soul to the Devil: Putin
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If only Bush hadn't realised too late why disaster relief has to be a Presidential responsibility.
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This is so, so not rocket science. You do not need to be a genius to grasp this. Disaster management and prep is well known and easy to do. All you need is forethought and planning and funding -- in advance.
Shall we list all the other things, that are not getting the forethought and planning and are also not particle physics in difficulty? Things like drug and food safety, or repairing dams. Or, for that matter, having the websites up and running so that people can sign up for Obamacare. (They've cunningly taken them down for repair.)
One is forced to conclude that no, he doesn't care whether people die or not. Not if it interferes with the golf game, certainly.
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Wow, that was fast! Only three days from no way is Trump abandoning people to die to Trump should abandon people to die 'cuz it's not his job to protect Americans.
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Yes. Some people I've heard are assuming it's just because PRs are (generally) brown-skinned people. Except he helped both Texas and Florida, which have lots of brown-skinned people, too.
So I speculate that it may be more that PR isn't on the mainland, and it doesn't register as "American" with him.
Another possibility is that Trump only knows what he sees on television:
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Hurricanes Harvey and Irene were massive cable television events that dominated coverage on all the networks. MSNBC went so all-in on storm news that they sent Chris Hayes out in a windbreaker to stand around in the wind in Naples, Florida.
But as Dhrumil Mehta has shown at 538, Maria was relatively invisible on cable.
“People on TV news shows spoke significantly fewer sentences about Hurricane Maria than about Hurricanes Harvey and Irma,” he writes, and “the spike in conversation about Puerto Rico right as the hurricane hit was also much smaller than the spike in mentions of Texas and Florida.”
Cable producers surely had their reasons for this. But something anyone in the media could tell you is that cable producers’ news judgment is not an infallible guide to the substantive importance of various stories. In particular, a broad range of issues — potentially including natural disasters in outlying US territories — have an asymmetrical quality to them, where if handled appropriately most people won’t care that much, but if botched it eventually becomes a big deal.
This is why traditionally presidents have relied upon staff and the massive information gathering capabilities of the American government for information rather than letting television set the agenda. Trump has a different philosophy, however, and spent the post-storm Saturday glued to his television and letting the hosts of “Fox & Friends” drag him into an ill-advised Twitter spat with NFL stars.
Maybe paying attention to those daily briefings might be a good idea after all?
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Unless he cancels it, he's supposed to go and visit PR next week. I wonder if hey'll believe the testimony of his own eyes, or whether it has to be on a screen.
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He'll assume it was all contrived by fake news media and Democrat-baited ingrate politicians -- and will tweet so!
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Eirenist:
PR is south of the bigly beatiful wall.
Four prototypes are being built in S. Calif, reportedly about 30' by 30'.
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Golden Key
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If I was running Cuba, I might be offering aid to Puerto Rico, and in a very public fashion.
Yup, I'd wondered about that, too. I don't know if they have any to spare, though--a lot of Cubans are in bad circumstances, as I understand it. However, I think the medical care is supposed to be good, if you can get it. Maybe give that kind of aid?
More fancifully:
If the Caribbean island territories, nations, etc. formed a union for mutual support and aid...
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Originally posted by simontoad:
If only Bush hadn't realised too late why disaster relief has to be a Presidential responsibility.
On the first (?) anniversary of Katrina, Dubya met in New Orleans with NBC news anchor Brian Williams. The optics were great. BW stood solidly toe to toe with a nervous Dubya. (BW had a fall from professional grace, since then, but he got this bit right.)
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by HCH:
[qb] If I was running Cuba, I might be offering aid to Puerto Rico, and in a very public fashion. .
They offered 2500 medical staff to Louisa after Katrina and more than their fair share to the African Ebola outbreak.
Currently "More than 750* health workers have arrived in Antigua, Barbuda, Saint Kitts, Nevis, Saint Lucia, the Bahamas, Dominica and Haiti." independent
They are it seems only offering PR a mobile hospital though havana times
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
Well, if it's brown people doing it, sure. But if we can find a couple of white people to do the bolt-cutting then it's just surviving.
Perhaps the general who's supposedly in charge of helping out could simply commandeer the shipping containers? AIUI, there's plenty of precedence. Might wind up in court for years. And I don't know if his career/pension would be threatened. But he'd likely save lives, be an international hero, and possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize.
It's disturbing that FEMA said it's "probably" just consumer goods, and not aid. They don't know???
I'm no lawyer. But if someone formed a non-profit on behalf of PR, one that could receive donations that would count towards tax deductions, maybe owners of the crates could simply donate the containers' contents, and get tax deductions? Seems like a win/win.
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
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Originally posted by HCH:
If I was running Cuba, I might be offering aid to Puerto Rico, and in a very public fashion. .
They offered 2500 medical staff to Louisa after Katrina and more than their fair share to the African Ebola outbreak.
Currently "More than 750* health workers have arrived in Antigua, Barbuda, Saint Kitts, Nevis, Saint Lucia, the Bahamas, Dominica and Haiti." independent
They are it seems only offering PR a mobile hospital though havana times
"Only"?
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Nothing to it with a pair of bolt cutters, but I'm pretty sure it's private property under seal and that would be considered looting.
Well, if it's brown people doing it, sure. But if we can find a couple of white people to do the bolt-cutting then it's just surviving.
Perhaps the general who's supposedly in charge of helping out could simply commandeer the shipping containers? AIUI, there's plenty of precedence. Might wind up in court for years. And I don't know if his career/pension would be threatened. But he'd likely save lives, be an international hero, and possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize.
The U.S. government can simply appropriate what they like. Under the terms of the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment they have to provide "just compensation" (i.e. fair market value) to the previous owners, but it's something that could be done and for which there's already a large body of precedent.
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