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Originally posted by Golden Key:
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It's disturbing that FEMA said it's "probably" just consumer goods, and not aid. They don't know???...

I can't address the "probably", but consumer goods are also desperately needed "aid". Consumer goods like clothes, shoes, furniture, bedding, appliances, building materials and fixtures, housewares, computers, cell phones, school supplies ... There are people in the Caribbean with literally nothing left but the clothes they are wearing. They need more than just bottled water and MREs.

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I actually feel a bit sorry for President Barking Dog today. He must feel torn between going to comfort the beleaguered Puerto Ricans, or doing the same for the bereaved and wounded of Las Vegas.

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Already decided. Guess who he's going to visit, brown people or white ones.

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Bishops Finger
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One can't help thinking what Obama would have done i.e. already visited PR (or perhaps visiting both on the same day).

IYSWIM.

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Already decided. Guess who he's going to visit, brown people or white ones.

Yup

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Bishops Finger
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A hard-hitting article, pouring well-deserved shame on The Oleaginous One.

[Mad]

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As always, it missed, none stuck, he's bone dry and smelling of roses. And Puerto Rico has been honoured with a tin cup and Vegas with warmest condolences, what more do you want?

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A new President?

(If I were American - though I gather Mr. Pennies would not be much better than Ozymandias the Oleaginous).

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
(If I were American - though I gather Mr. Pennies would not be much better than Ozymandias the Oleaginous).

IJ

Mr. Ha'penny's response is to come to Phoenix to meet with Governor Doug Ducey and Arizona business leaders to discuss Republican efforts to pass tax reform... Following those meetings, he will attend a political fundraiser at an undisclosed location.

(I do wish they'd announce where he's going to appear since I have a meeting in Phoenix this afternoon and want to avoid the Trump/Pence bunch.)

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/slight tangent/

Mr. Ha'penny is a Good Name, but for some reason it reminded me of the old English word 'dandiprat' (or 'dandyprat'):

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A small English coin minted in the 16th century (worth twopence);
2(a.)
A small boy;
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An insignificant person.

Interesting choice, no?
[Snigger]

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Back on Puerto Rico, a Washington Post article quotes our president as follows:

President Trump on Tuesday told Puerto Rico officials they should feel “very proud” they haven’t lost thousands of lives like in “a real catastrophe like Katrina,” while adding that the devastated island territory has thrown the nation’s budget “a little out of whack.”

Is there no one who can keep this moron's mouth shut?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
Back on Puerto Rico, a Washington Post article quotes our president as follows:

President Trump on Tuesday told Puerto Rico officials they should feel “very proud” they haven’t lost thousands of lives like in “a real catastrophe like Katrina,” while adding that the devastated island territory has thrown the nation’s budget “a little out of whack.”

Is there no one who can keep this moron's mouth shut?

And that doesn't even get into the fact that the low official death toll is likely a product of the difficulty of getting accurate information out of Puerto Rico:

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But one figure is disquietingly absent: an accurate death toll.

The official death count has not budged since Wednesday, when the Puerto Rican government said that just 16 people had been killed as a result of the storm. That prompted President Trump to claim Tuesday on his visit to the island that it wasn’t a “real catastrophe” like Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, which had thousands of deaths.

Yet there is good reason to believe the actual figure is much higher than 16, and will continue to climb.

Omaya Sosa Pascual is a reporter with the Center for Investigative Journalism (CPI) in San Juan. She was skeptical of the government’s figure of 16 and began to call the 69 hospitals around the country, asking them about deaths related to the hurricane.

Pascual spoke to dozens of doctors, administrators, morgue directors, and funeral directors around the country, and wrote up her initial findings in a September 28 report in the Miami Herald. She then got Puerto Rico’s public safety secretary to confirm Monday that there have been dozens more deaths than the official statistic reflects. By her count, there are now an estimated 60 confirmed deaths linked to the hurricane and possibly hundreds more to come.

There's something about Trump taking credit for a low official death count that's mostly the direct result of his administration's slow response to the crisis that seems like a perfect metaphor for his whole administration.

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The death toll in Puerto Rico isn't BIGLY enough for him??

[Eek!]

O, WHAT have you Usanians done to deserve this [expletive deleted] wanker?

Next, he'll be tweeting about how his lack of concern for gun control has led to the bigliest, beautifullest, slaughter in Las Vegas, proving yet again How Great America Is...

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If I believed in an interventionist God I'd happily fast unto death for Trump's Damascene conversion to gun control. If he grew a pair he could take a Law of the Medes and Persians approach and transcend, roll back by rolling forward, the Second Amendment, surely? There HAS to be a way that can be framed? Or would it take the second coming?

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"We'll be talking about gun control as time goes by", we don't need the second coming!

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Who needs paper towels?
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WTF?

[Confused]

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No doubt the towels are meant to help with mopping up the flooding. [brick wall]

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Ah, I see.

Or perhaps to dry the anguished tears of those who have just realised what an Odious Oaf they've got as 'president'...

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There are none such.

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I wish Trump would just throw in the towel.

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Puerto Rico death toll now up to 34, expected to continue to go up as inland reports start coming in.

Foot in mouth disease:

Telling a family that "We are going to take care of you. Have a good time"

Telling the Puerto Rican leaders: "Puerto Rico has thrown the Federal Budget our of wack."

(As ready mentioned) Comparing Puerto Rico to the real catastrophe of Katrina.

After tossing paper towels to a gathering "There is a lot of love here." (No, Orange One, there is a lot of desperation there. Besides, what is a roll of paper towels going to do.)

[ 04. October 2017, 16:07: Message edited by: Gramps49 ]

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A Bible verse springs to mind, to wit, Daniel 25, verse 27:

'...Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.'

(King James Version, of course, as that's what the Odious Oaf's fundamentalist buddies reckon as Ultimate Truth.)

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quote:
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After tossing paper towels to a gathering "There is a lot of love here." (No, Orange One, there is a lot of desperation there. Besides, what is a roll of paper towels going to do.)

Blogger digby makes an interesting literary comparison:

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For some reason, watching President Trump's visit to Puerto Rico on Tuesday brought to mind the scene in Charles Dickens' "Tale of Two Cities" in which the Marquis St. Evrémonde runs over a child with his carriage and without remorse or compassion declares, "It is extraordinary to me that you people cannot take care of yourselves and your children!" He throws a coin at the grieving father and another into the crowd, and as he moves on, one of the peasants on the street throws a coin back in the carriage, at which point the Marquis turns in anger and threatens to "exterminate" them all. The peasants hang their heads and say not a word, knowing what power the man has to destroy them.

Donald Trump didn't throw coins into the crowd in Puerto Rico, but he did throw Bounty paper towels. And he didn't scold the island's people to their faces for failing to take care of their children, but he didn't need to. He'd made it clear in his tweets that he thought Puerto Ricans had refused to help themselves because "they want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort."

Officials on the ground wisely behaved much as Dickens' peasants did. They kept their eyes down and parroted the president as he complimented his own leadership over and over again. This was more like an audience with the king, not a visit from a democratically elected leader who had come to forge a personal connection to what had happened.

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He believes people want to admire him from a distance, see him as bigger than life, as one anointed to leadership by dint of genetic destiny and special talent. But once in a while an ingrate will toss the coin he generously sent their way back in his carriage and he gets angry.

If you need something from the king, you'd better tell him how great he is and then ask very, very nicely.

On the other hand Trump did have a "record-breaking" accomplishment recently, so I guess he may have something to crow about after all!

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Not scriptural, but certainly appropriate...

Jimmy Kimmel, a late-night talk show host, commented on Trump's response to Puerto Rico:
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He really puts the ass in compassion.


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How long, O Lord, how long?.......

[Disappointed]

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Now, the Orange Oaf is off to 'console ' Las Vegas. From BBC news:

'He will act as consoler-in-chief in the wake of an attack that left 58 people dead and injured more than 500.

The gunman, Stephen Paddock, shot himself dead as police approached.

"Well, it's a very sad thing," Mr Trump told reporters at the White House before he left for Nevada.'

WTF is a 'consoler-in-chief'? Is he taking along with him lesser consolers, to console (presumably) people less injured, or not so biglier bereaved?

[Paranoid]

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Now, the Orange Oaf is off to 'console ' Las Vegas.

Is he going to throw paper towels at them?

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plasters. paper towels for flooding, plasters of gaping bullet wounds

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
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We should just be grateful they're not the new Trump Brand Golden Paper Towels-- the only towel Ivanka uses! Just $8.99 a roll, each is embedded with a single real gold thread-- just the chic touch needed to bring a touch of class to your natural or manmade disaster.

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Do they have the motto 'Covfefe' printed on every sheet? Enquiring minds need to know...

IJ

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How long, O Lord, how long?.......

[Disappointed]

IJ

As long as we let it.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Now, the Orange Oaf is off to 'console ' Las Vegas.

Is he going to throw paper towels at them?
No, gambling chips.

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I was afraid in PR he was going to make a couple of toddlers fight cagematch style to decide whose family got,the canned chicken

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Let's go 2018. My hope is renewed now that my expectations have been managed. Let's give those gerrymandering bastards a right kicking.

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And yet who is there in the Democratic Party who could come forward and realistically challenge the Fartletter-in-Chief?

If there were someone, surely that person would have come forward already, organizing genuine relief efforts for Puerto Rico (something more useful than paper towels, I would hope), researching what the real death toll is and how steadily it is climbing, exposing the smug sarcasm and the bigoted ass-kissing of the Fartletter-in-Chief, etc.

Frankly I'm surprised that the Clintons, through their multi-million dollar public and family foundations, haven't done something -- or if they have, haven't publicized it. But of course they aren't scandal-free themselves, and the Fartletter-in-Chief knows it.

But the Democratic Party has no one. And that is the crux of the tragedy politics face in this country.

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Might no one do better than Hilary?

How are the mid-terms run? My guess is a series of local and state contests... So is it about the present Congressional leadership, or is it much more focussed around local issues?

I saw a good segment illustrating the extent of the political divide in America on Sam Bee tonight. Americans, I'm sure, already know all about this. Part 3 of the Oct 3rd episode is the relevant one.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
If there were someone, surely that person would have come forward already, organizing genuine relief efforts for Puerto Rico (something more useful than paper towels, I would hope), researching what the real death toll is and how steadily it is climbing, exposing the smug sarcasm and the bigoted ass-kissing of the Fartletter-in-Chief, etc.

So Carmen Yulin Cruz?

Now that I think about it, can a native of Puerto Rico run for President?

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So Carmen Yulín Cruz?

Now that I think about it, can a native of Puerto Rico run for President?

If John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone) counts as a "natural born citizen" I see no reason why a native-born Puerto Rican wouldn't count as one.

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Instead of John McCain, a better example is Barry Goldwater, born in Arizona before it became a state.
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For those unfamiliar, the Constitutional requirements for the U.S. presidency are:
  • a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of [the] Constitution
  • attained to the Age of thirty five Years
  • fourteen Years a Resident within the United States

The only sticking point I can see for Ms. Cruz might be this last one. Puerto Rico is definitely part of "the United States", but some might interpret the residence requirement to refer to residency within one of the constituent states of the U.S., excluding the territories. That seems a bit of a tendentious interpretation, but as far as I know that exact question has never come up.

There is some precedent here. Vice president Charles Curtis was born in Kansas territory, shortly before statehood was granted, so being born in a territory is not a bar to the presidency (or vice presidency, which has the same requirements).

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lilBuddha
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So Carmen Yulín Cruz?

Now that I think about it, can a native of Puerto Rico run for President?

If John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone) counts as a "natural born citizen" I see no reason why a native-born Puerto Rican wouldn't count as one.
McCain was born to US citizens, therefore his place of birth was irrelevant. He was born on a military base to a father who was currently serving, also making the status of the country he was born in irrelevant. At least as far as I understand US birth laws.
However, Puerto Ricans are naturally born citizens, and that is the main requirement. It would be amusing, however, to have a person who cannot vote for president become one.

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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Crœsos:

There is some precedent here. Vice president Charles Curtis was born in Kansas territory, shortly before statehood was granted, so being born in a territory is not a bar to the presidency (or vice presidency, which has the same requirements).

Yeah, but he was white...

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What about Kermit the Frog? No matter where he was born, he'd make a better president.

Besides, he's GREEN!

IJ

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:

There is some precedent here. Vice president Charles Curtis was born in Kansas territory, shortly before statehood was granted, so being born in a territory is not a bar to the presidency (or vice presidency, which has the same requirements).

Yeah, but he was white...
Interestingly enough, under U.S. law so is Ms. Cruz. That goes back to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, which ended the Mexican-American War, transferred the northern part of what was then Mexico, and guaranteed American citizenship to any formerly Mexican citizens who chose to remain in territory being ceded to the Americans. To be an American citizen in 1848 you had to be "white", so the treaty stipulated the whiteness of former Mexican citizens who chose to transfer their allegiance to the U.S. That's one of the reasons that the U.S. Census Bureau considers "Hispanic" to be an ethnicity rather than a race.

Of course historically the "whiteness" of Hispanic Americans has not been particularly respected by the wider American population.

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OK. I'll bite the bullet. I'll run for president under the Democratic party.

At least I know how to not insult people who are suffering.

I know nothing about politics, which apparently isn't a requirement for the office.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
So Carmen Yulín Cruz?

Now that I think about it, can a native of Puerto Rico run for President?

If John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone) counts as a "natural born citizen" I see no reason why a native-born Puerto Rican wouldn't count as one.
Apparently, if they're born after
1940, they are "natural born citizens."

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I believe Boris Johnson was born in the US ...

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Well, at least he has suitably Mad Hair...

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What about Kermit the Frog? No matter where he was born, he'd make a better president.

Besides, he's GREEN!

IJ

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