homepage
  roll on christmas  
click here to find out more about ship of fools click here to sign up for the ship of fools newsletter click here to support ship of fools
community the mystery worshipper gadgets for god caption competition foolishness features ship stuff
discussion boards live chat cafe avatars frequently-asked questions the ten commandments gallery private boards register for the boards
 
Ship of Fools


Post new thread  Post a reply
My profile login | Register | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home
   - Printer-friendly view Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
» Ship of Fools   » Community discussion   » Purgatory   » Oops - your Trump presidency discussion thread (Page 43)

 - Email this page to a friend or enemy.  
Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  ...  40  41  42  43  44  45  46  47 
 
Source: (consider it) Thread: Oops - your Trump presidency discussion thread
Hedgehog

Ship's Shortstop
# 14125

 - Posted      Profile for Hedgehog   Email Hedgehog   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
From the article linked by Augustine the Aleut:
quote:
The Nationality Act of 1940 established that Puerto Rico was a part of the United States for citizenship purposes. Since Jan. 13, 1941, birth in Puerto Rico amounts to birth in the United States for citizenship purposes.

However, the prevailing consensus among scholars, lawmakers and policymakers is that Puerto Ricans are not entitled to a constitutional citizenship status. While Puerto Ricans are officially U.S. citizens, the territory remains unincorporated. This contradiction has enabled the governance of Puerto Rico as a separate and unequal territory that belongs to, but is not a part of, the United States.

That last bit highlights the issue that Crœsos identified: Ms. Cruz does qualify as a U.S. citizen, having been born in 1963, long after the Nationality Act. And she would meet the age requirement. But it is a debatable point whether she has been "fourteen years a resident of the United States" because residency in Puerto Rico is not the same as residency in the United States (it belongs to, but is not a part of, the United States).

According to the Font of All Knowledge (a/k/a Wikipedia) she attended Boston University and then Carnegie Mellon University, but it does not look like she actually resided in the US for 14 years.

--------------------
"We must regain the conviction that we need one another, that we have a shared responsibility for others and the world, and that being good and decent are worth it."--Pope Francis, Laudato Si'

Posts: 2628 | From: Delaware, USA | Registered: Sep 2008  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
It looks like FEMA has found an easy way to resolve the bad news about the lack of electricity and clean drinking water in Puerto Rico: simply stop reporting those statistics. Fast, simple, easy!

The numbers are still available (in Spanish) on the Puerto Rican government's own website. It's almost like those ungrateful wretches don't want good news!

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10360 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Gramps49
Shipmate
# 16378

 - Posted      Profile for Gramps49   Email Gramps49   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Last night, Mr. Orange One had a formal dinner with military dignitaries at the White House. As they were posing for pictures, the OO said: "This is the calm before the storm." Reporters asked him what he meant. He replied, "You will see."

Ominous

I recently had a friend in Calgary, Canada, mention that he was thinking about building an underground shelter. I told him not to worry. Now that does not sound like a bad idea.

In other news, it is now being reported that Chief of Staff General Kelly, Secretary of Treasury Mununhin, and Secretary of State Tillerson have agreed that if one of them is forced to resign the other two will resign as well.

Posts: 1931 | From: Pullman WA | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Source for the latter?

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
In other news, it is now being reported that Chief of Staff General Kelly, Secretary of Treasury Mununhin, and Secretary of State Tillerson have agreed that if one of them is forced to resign the other two will resign as well.

quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Source for the latter?

Someone only described as "One US official".

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10360 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713

 - Posted      Profile for Sioni Sais   Email Sioni Sais   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Trump increases abortion rate.

(I'm not discussing this - that would be a DH - but this just *is*.)

--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"

(Paul Sinha, BBC)

Posts: 23925 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
As in: Oh God, I had sex with a Trump last night. Quick, get me the Morning After Pill, STAT!

--------------------
The opinions expressed above are transitory emotional responses and do not necessarily reflect the considered views of the author.

Posts: 1052 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Trump increases abortion rate.

(I'm not discussing this - that would be a DH - but this just *is*.)

This is SOP with Republican presidents, actually.

--------------------
God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean. --Acts 10:28

Posts: 62986 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Gramps49
Shipmate
# 16378

 - Posted      Profile for Gramps49   Email Gramps49   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Then there is the comment by Betsy De Vos that Trump cannot be a moron because he hired her.

I think I will let that one stand on its own.

Posts: 1931 | From: Pullman WA | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
The numbers are still available (in Spanish) on the Puerto Rican government's own website. It's almost like those ungrateful wretches don't want good news!

Actually, English is available. In the upper right-hand corner, there's a little flag pull-down menu, and you can switch languages.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
chris stiles
Shipmate
# 12641

 - Posted      Profile for chris stiles   Email chris stiles   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
Then there is the comment by Betsy De Vos that Trump cannot be a moron because he hired her.

Well .. she married into a fortune that preys on the stupid ..
Posts: 3751 | From: Berkshire | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged
la vie en rouge
Parisienne
# 10688

 - Posted      Profile for la vie en rouge     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
El Presidente continues his crusade against women . [Roll Eyes] [Mad]

--------------------
Rent my holiday home in the South of France

Posts: 3576 | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
[Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

Someone - do something to get rid of him, soon, please.....

(Yes, I know TIACW.....).

IJ

--------------------
The future is another country - they might do things differently there...

Posts: 8833 | From: With The Glums At The Bus Stop | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
Then there is the comment by Betsy De Vos that Trump cannot be a moron because he hired her.

Well .. she married into a fortune that preys on the stupid ..
You forgot that she invests in pseudo-science, her brother founded the impeccable Blackwater and she thinks she is qualified to run something in which she has no experience.

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 16689 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
chris stiles
Shipmate
# 12641

 - Posted      Profile for chris stiles   Email chris stiles   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You forgot that she invests in pseudo-science, her brother founded the impeccable Blackwater and she thinks she is qualified to run something in which she has no experience.

Well, omitted to mention, rather than forgot. There is a deep seam of stuff that should be discussed fairly seriously within the church - the unthinking acceptance of the crusader rhetoric of Erik Prince being one of them.

There was an NPR program on her spell as a school mentor a while back - and I did wonder to what extent her approach was bourne out of a Christian-Reformed influenced preference for providence over everything else. Her interventions were kind at the individual level, while systematically harmful at a societal level.

Posts: 3751 | From: Berkshire | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged
Ian Climacus

Liturgical Slattern
# 944

 - Posted      Profile for Ian Climacus     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Originally from Politico, I watched via The Young Turks some of the complaints if the GoP donors: complaints that their money hasn't got them what they want.

Has this ever been so visible before? Donors complaining of not getting something? I know it goes on, but often they try to hide behind the "we're not trying to buy anything" line. The guard seems to be dropped.

Posts: 7393 | From: Albury, Australia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Robert Reich, who was Secretary of Labor in Bill Clinton's administration, has put in his two cents about Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's current dilemma.

"Memo to Tillerson about the Moron" (RobertReich.org).

It's a good read, with a great ending.
[Two face]

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The sooner Kim Wrong-Un detonates an H-bomb a couple of hundred miles up the better.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Wesley J

Silly Shipmate
# 6075

 - Posted      Profile for Wesley J   Email Wesley J   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Not funny.

--------------------
Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)

Posts: 7232 | From: The Isles of Silly | Registered: May 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Not trying to be. It will stop Trump doing anything insane.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
But only if the sane people manage to overpower the Mad Barking One quickly.....

[Help]

IJ

--------------------
The future is another country - they might do things differently there...

Posts: 8833 | From: With The Glums At The Bus Stop | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The guys in NORAD and the cabinet are sane enough. Kim, a rational man, won't start what he can't finish, despite Trump's 99.9999% empty rhetoric. But a thermonuclear space burst would do what it did for China in '67.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Wesley J

Silly Shipmate
# 6075

 - Posted      Profile for Wesley J   Email Wesley J   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
This being Purg: link please?

--------------------
Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)

Posts: 7232 | From: The Isles of Silly | Registered: May 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Sure. After this, China was treated with respect.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Hmm. Doesn't make me feel any safer, somehow.

IJ

--------------------
The future is another country - they might do things differently there...

Posts: 8833 | From: With The Glums At The Bus Stop | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The sooner he does it, the sooner Trump can't preempt it.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Yeeeeees, maybe - but Barking Mad Dog's reaction is likely to be just ever-so-slightly OTT....

IJ

--------------------
The future is another country - they might do things differently there...

Posts: 8833 | From: With The Glums At The Bus Stop | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
Ohher
Shipmate
# 18607

 - Posted      Profile for Ohher   Author's homepage   Email Ohher   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Maybe, maybe not.

44.2 is just as likely to invite Kim Jong Un over for a round of golf at Bedminster after the Young Un sets of his radioactive toy. The Menace admires the brash, the bold, the dictatorial, and he'll see KJU as having initiated himself into the Big Boys Club. Then all will be forgiven.

Kim Jong Un may be dining at Mar-A-Largo before the year is out, especially if he manages to nuke some Democrats or that bothersome, ungrateful Poo-air-to Rico.

--------------------
From the Land of the Native American Brave and the Home of the Buy-One-Get-One-Free

Posts: 186 | From: New Hampshire, USA | Registered: Jun 2016  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Exactly. As the US said to the UK in '57, welcome to the club. We developed the H-bomb to impress them primarily, not Russia.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
The sooner Kim Wrong-Un detonates an H-bomb a couple of hundred miles up the better.

{blink}

quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Not funny.

Amen.

quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Not trying to be. It will stop Trump doing anything insane.

In what universe?


quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
But only if the sane people manage to overpower the Mad Barking One quickly.....

[Help]

...which depends on sane people being there, choosing to risk their lives and futures, managing to do something, and doing it successfully...

quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
The guys in NORAD and the cabinet are sane enough. Kim, a rational man, won't start what he can't finish, despite Trump's 99.9999% empty rhetoric. But a thermonuclear space burst would do what it did for China in '67.

No. No. No. Please listen very carefully:

.The. .president. .can. .launch. .nukes. .on. .his/her. .own. .THERE. .ARE. .NO. .CHECKS/BALANCES. .ON. .THAT. !!NONE!!

This weekend's "Radio Lab" show was about that.
"Season 15 | Episode 7 Nukes: The Broadcast"

The second half is all about that, specifically in the context of Trump. The hosts talk with various folks in the know--including a guy who was training to be a missilier (takes 2 of them to turn the keys to launch a nuclear missile). When he was learning all the protocols and reasoning, he made the mistake of privately asking his teacher if there were checks and balances on the president. Ye olde "career-limiting move", and then some.

The first half is about a very unlucky man who survived Hiroshima, and managed to get to Nagasaki...
[Help]

I'm glad they put that part first, because it reminds listeners of the health and DNA effects...*before* learning that there are no checks on the president.

There's audio. I don't see a transcript. But there is an article, summing the show up.

This is really important. If you have a chance, check it out.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The US has become significantly more degraded, in this claendar year. I am ashamed of it.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5432 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
In the latest edition of "Why don't you just flippin' google it yerself", I wondered whether any comparisons could be made between the recovery of Puerto Rico and that of San Martin, the British Virgin Islands or Branson's Island? Obviously, I only want comparisons to be made if they reflect badly on Trump.

Does anyone remember when we used to call toasted sandwiches Brevilles? And what were Berkos? I know. I don't know how to use the interweb.

--------------------
The opinions expressed above are transitory emotional responses and do not necessarily reflect the considered views of the author.

Posts: 1052 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The US has become significantly more degraded, in this claendar year. I am ashamed of it.

IMHO, it all started going downhill when you stopped buying electric kettles. There is nothing so soothing as a nice cup of tea.

--------------------
The opinions expressed above are transitory emotional responses and do not necessarily reflect the considered views of the author.

Posts: 1052 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
IMHO, it all started going downhill when you stopped buying electric kettles. There is nothing so soothing as a nice cup of tea.

That's only part of the story. The degradation started with the invention of teabags. Which degraded tea to a convenience product, thus reducing tea to teabag. The line leads directly from there to canned capitalism (Coca-cola and ilk), paper cups full of hot milk-sugar water, beer made of corn, chorleywooded bread, wine in boxes, and the decline of civilization. Though there's something to Spam and Spork packed in hog jelly and pineapple on pizza that makes me understand how we got to paper towels for hurricane survivors, lozenges for coughing loser politicos, guns and vans and knives. Angels fear to smile. Put-ins and put-ons.
Posts: 10892 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Jane R
Shipmate
# 331

 - Posted      Profile for Jane R   Email Jane R   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
No, it all started going wrong when we invented agriculture. That's where humanity really went off the rails.
Posts: 3885 | From: Jorvik | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Eutychus
From the edge
# 3081

 - Posted      Profile for Eutychus   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Tut. We all made a big mistake coming down from the trees in the first place.

--------------------
One has to take part. Scary as it is. - Martin60
Jerusalem is a city without walls

Posts: 17009 | From: 528491 | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Fantasy GK. There are fifteen different novels as to why it can't happen under the surface of this:

wiki - Authorization of a nuclear or strategic attack

Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it.

If the President fires the Secretary, then the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will look to the Deputy Secretary of Defense to confirm that a nuclear strike is warranted. He will not pass a nuclear strike order to the operating forces unless the two-man rule has been followed. Beauchamp, Zack (August 3, 2016). "If President Trump Decided to Use Nukes, He Could Do It Easily". Vox. Retrieved October 2, 2016.


NYT - Debate Over Trump’s Fitness Raises Issue of Checks on Nuclear Power

By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGERAUG. 4, 2016

... history suggests that in practice, there may be ways to slow down or even derail the decision-making process.


Politico Magazine

What Exactly Would It Mean to Have Trump’s Finger on the Nuclear Button?

A nuclear launch expert plays out the various scenarios.

By BRUCE BLAIR June 11, 2016

Although no president during the atomic age appears to have ever lost his grip on reality to such an extent that an insane nuclear act might have resulted, top advisers to President Richard Nixon tried to constrain his launch authority during the Watergate scandal that ultimately forced his resignation. His secretary of Defense, James Schlesinger, quietly instructed the Pentagon war room to double check with him if Nixon contacted it to order up a nuclear strike. Nixon’s mental stability, and his heavy drinking, caused concern within his inner circle that he might behave erratically out of despair and depression.


Provoking the DPRK to a conventional 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident is most likely and, again, Wrong-un's winning, so why would he be provoked to lose even if he gets to destroy Seoul in the first day?

For it to be said that there is no military strategy for stopping Kim, that must mean that it isn't known that he doesn't have unknown silos or that even if they're all known and can be taken out by cruise missile strikes (after a successful provocation above ... or pre-emptively) followed by immediate airborne division assault per site, meanwhile Wrong-un destroys Seoul etc, etc: the price isn't worth it, even for Trump.

As Wrong-un DOESN'T have nuclear ICBM capability (he's not done the space test), what actually is stopping Trump in this, the only window he has? It's now or never and has been for weeks.

If Kim could do a space test, why hasn't he? It's not rational.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Leorning Cniht
Shipmate
# 17564

 - Posted      Profile for Leorning Cniht   Email Leorning Cniht   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
chorleywooded bread

I might agree with most of your list, but what do you have against the Chorleywood process?
Posts: 4776 | From: USA | Registered: Feb 2013  |  IP: Logged
Stephen
Shipmate
# 40

 - Posted      Profile for Stephen   Email Stephen   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Tut. We all made a big mistake coming down from the trees in the first place.

We should never have left the oceans.And as for digital watches

Is Outrage! Is most definitely Outrage
[Two face]

--------------------
Best Wishes
Stephen

'Be still,then, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the nations and I will be exalted in the earth' Ps46 v10

Posts: 3936 | From: Alto C Clef Country | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
chorleywooded bread

I might agree with most of your list, but what do you have against the Chorleywood process?
It produces an exceptionally soft bread within which the protein molecules are all shattered into very short chains, it requires the addition of large amounts of sugar, yeast, often additives, and the product stales quickly. Inferior massed produced startch in many cases. (I've baked for 35 years)
Posts: 10892 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Martin--

Actually, the radio show to which I linked covers much of what you said, including Nixon and the secretary of defense. And still comes down to "there are no checks and balances in place to stop Trump from pushing The Button".

That aside, why are you expecting K to behave rationally?

And you seem to wind up expecting *T* to behave rationally, too.

What gives? Is this just a form of whistling in the dark?

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen:
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Tut. We all made a big mistake coming down from the trees in the first place.

We should never have left the oceans.And as for digital watches

Is Outrage! Is most definitely Outrage
[Two face]

Why don't we all head to the Restaurant At The End Of Universe, catch the dinner show, and relax? ("Milliways, better known as the Restaurant at the End of the Universe" (Wikia).)
[Cool]

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Martin--

Actually, the radio show to which I linked covers much of what you said, including Nixon and the secretary of defense. And still comes down to "there are no checks and balances in place to stop Trump from pushing The Button".

That aside, why are you expecting K to behave rationally?

And you seem to wind up expecting *T* to behave rationally, too.

What gives? Is this just a form of whistling in the dark?

The link doesn't work GK. K is behaving perfectly rationally. Including cautiously. As is T.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Martin--

Profuse apologies for the messed-up link!

Take 2:

This weekend's "Radio Lab" show was about that.
CORRECTED "Season 15 | Episode 7 Nukes: The Broadcast"

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17709 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
chris stiles
Shipmate
# 12641

 - Posted      Profile for chris stiles   Email chris stiles   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

That aside, why are you expecting K to behave rationally?

And you seem to wind up expecting *T* to behave rationally, too.

I don't know why Martin expects KJI to behave rationally. That said, it seems that he has - probably - been behaving rationally the majority of the time:

https://youtu.be/wio6BCa-GBU

[Warning - the video is very long - but the first 20 minutes are an analysis of NKs progression of tests and an analysis of the rationality of their actions].

Posts: 3751 | From: Berkshire | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

That aside, why are you expecting K to behave rationally?

And you seem to wind up expecting *T* to behave rationally, too.

I don't know why Martin expects KJI to behave rationally. That said, it seems that he has - probably - been behaving rationally the majority of the time:

https://youtu.be/wio6BCa-GBU

[Warning - the video is very long - but the first 20 minutes are an analysis of NKs progression of tests and an analysis of the rationality of their actions].

I expect him to behave rationally as he's a rational man? What would you do in his situation?

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16659 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
chris stiles
Shipmate
# 12641

 - Posted      Profile for chris stiles   Email chris stiles   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
I expect him to behave rationally as he's a rational man? What would you do in his situation?

I tend to agree. As the linked video points out - post Saddam and Gaddafi, he is likely to have made the rational calculation that if he were to volunteer giving up his nuclear programme, he might face the regime change option.
Posts: 3751 | From: Berkshire | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
It is becoming increasingly clear in the US that we are not being led by a rational person, no sir. It's terrifying.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5432 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It is becoming increasingly clear in the US that we are not being led by a rational person, no sir. It's terrifying.

It wasn't clear before? Though I continue to wonder if this is the disease or only the latest symptom.
Posts: 10892 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Og, King of Bashan

Ship's giant Amorite
# 9562

 - Posted      Profile for Og, King of Bashan     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Trump's stupid war on black NFL players continued this weekend. Mike Pence flew back from Las Vegas to Indianapolis, ostensibly to watch the Colts game, where franchise-legend Payton Manning's number was to be retired. Even tweeted a picture of himself in the stands a few minutes before kickoff. Only he was so offended by players kneeling during the National Anthem that he left in a huff, tweeting again to make sure that everyone noticed. He then boarded his plane for a planned appearance in Los Angeles.

A few holes in the story started to emerge shortly after the event. While Pence actually was at the game, the picture he tweeted was actually something he had already tweeted three years ago. Then we learned that the VP's press group was left in the bus rather than walked into the stadium with Pence, being told that he was likely to leave shortly. Yep, this was a planned protest.

People started looking into the cost of the stunt, and early estimates showed that the extra flights alone cost taxpayers about $245,000.00.

And of course yesterday, the Administration sent emails to its supporters list, using the stunt as a fundraising opportunity.

49ers safety Eric Reid, who was one of the players kneeling, had this to say about the stunt:

quote:
My honest reaction … Does anybody know the last time he’s been to a football game? With that being said, he tweeted out a three-year old photo of him at a Colts game so with the information I have the last time he was at a Colts game was three years ago. So this looks like a PR stunt to me. He knew our team has had the most players protest. He knew that we were probably going to do it again. This is what systemic oppression looks like. A man with power comes to the game, tweets a couple of things out and leaves the game with an attempt to thwart our efforts. Based on the information I have, that’s the assumption I’ve made.
That was before the fundraising pitch, which further solidifies Reid's statement about systematic oppression. "We use our power to stand up to uppity black people; give us money in appreciation!"

Is this even subtle enough to be called a dog whistle anymore?

In the meantime, after milking the story for a vague "unity" message, the NFL subtly tweaked its on-field conduct rules to suggest that players could be penalized for not standing at attention, although there is no telling if it would actually hold up if the union pressed back. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who was more than happy to be seen kneeling with his team before the anthem a few weeks ago, is on record saying that he will bench any player who kneels during the anthem. And ESPN has suspended Jemele Hill, a long-time correspondent, for suggesting that people could boycott the Cowboy's sponsors in retaliation. (Hill has long had to put up with racist and misogynist comments and tweets for her work for ESPN. If anyone has the authority to identify racist and sexist attitudes coming out of the White House, and a platform where she could reach white male viewers and educate them about it, it is Hill. ESPN is blowing this opportunity.)

--------------------
"I like to eat crawfish and drink beer. That's despair?" ― Walker Percy

Posts: 3114 | From: Denver, Colorado, USA | Registered: May 2005  |  IP: Logged



Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  ...  40  41  42  43  44  45  46  47 
 
Post new thread  Post a reply Close thread   Feature thread   Move thread   Delete thread Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
 - Printer-friendly view
Go to:

Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement

© Ship of Fools 2016

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

 
Check out Reform magazine
sip of fools mugs from your favourite nautical website
 
  ship of fools