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Brenda Clough
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Writers always hope for their books to be burned. You have to buy them in order to burn them! Once I even sent one of my novels to Jerry Falwell, hoping to be denounced as a Tool of Satan. Alas...
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That man always disappoints
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Brenda, your second link leads to the same article as the first one.
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Bishops Finger
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Brenda, your second link seems to be the same as your first.
Clearly, Satan is at work, preventing me from knowing the truth about Great Christiamerica...
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Bishops Finger
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Wow! Simultaneous posts!
Ohher and I are obviously both Hellbound Hereticks, or something...
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Bishops Finger
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Thanks, Ian - I think you're right.
Be warned - it's a loooong article, but worth reading. The best bits, however, are the comments.
As regards Gropo, White-Cain, and God:
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Brenda Clough
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Yes, that was it -- sorry, my computer was being pouty. At least there's a growing awareness and clamor in the religious community, about how the faith is being zombified -- dead and shambling and not at all alive. We're good at rising from the dead, maybe we can do it again.
OTOH, there's this, on the Post front page: the Museum of the Bible's mammon-like gift shop. Was it on SoF, where somebody said that it's a law that all museums tours have to begin and end in the gift shop?
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One woman said a $5,000 necklace “made for a fantastic Christmas gift.” Another guest whispered to his wife, “$25 for a T-shirt?”
I fear I'm more like the man.
Thanks for these articles, Brenda.
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"Who Will Be The Next President? Here Are 6 Women Who Haven't Been Accused Of Rape."
Now, I can see a race between Elizabeth Warren and Susan Collins
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Trump tweets he should've left basketball players in jail.
What a man!
He needs grovelling gratitude, any less will not be tolerated.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Well, one does have to wonder what they were thinking (if they were thinking at all) when they decided to shoplift in communist China, of all places. What did they expect would happen? At least it wasn't Singapore, where they probably would have been flogged.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Well, one does have to wonder what they were thinking (if they were thinking at all) when they decided to shoplift in communist China, of all places. What did they expect would happen? At least it wasn't Singapore, where they probably would have been flogged.
I actually think Trump did too much by getting them out. We've all seen Midnight Express. What the hell made these basketball players so special?
One explanation, suggested to me today by a student, is that China is a country where the president can actually get people out of jail with the stroke of pen, whereas other governments don't grant the head honcho that degree of power, so Trump just did this in China because he could. One assumes the Xi is expecting something in return.
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Brenda Clough
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The idiocy of the very young is always with us and does not alter. The idiocy of Lyin' Don, doing nothing but then claiming the credit, and then whining when his lie is unmasked, is unbelievable. If you saw it on a movie screen you would post a nasty review onto IMDB; if you read it on the page you'd be unpleasant on Goodreads. I can't escape the feeling that we're trapped in an online-TV show written from week to week by desperate scripters on drugs.
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Bishops Finger
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There is indeed an air of creepy unreality about the state of Greatagain Christiamerica.
It's not confined to that side of the pond - we have Boris Johnson as our Foreign Secretary, and you really couldn't make him up, and expect people to believe you...
Lord have mercy on us all.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The idiocy of the very young is always with us and does not alter. The idiocy of Lyin' Don, doing nothing but then claiming the credit, and then whining when his lie is unmasked, is unbelievable. If you saw it on a movie screen you would post a nasty review onto IMDB; if you read it on the page you'd be unpleasant on Goodreads. I can't escape the feeling that we're trapped in an online-TV show written from week to week by desperate scripters on drugs.
Has it been confirmed that Trump had nothing to do with their release? That would make sense, as it seemed kind of odd that he would just randomly ask Xi about these basketball players. But I haven't seen anything either way about the veracity of it.
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I find it hard to believe that The Great Pumpkin had anything to do with these idiot shoplifters.
Two of them are brown, and therefore beneath The Great Pumpkin's radar, surely?
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That LA times article which Brenda linked to is very interesting:
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Millions of Christians across the world take the teachings of Jesus seriously, of course. They work in soup kitchens, homeless shelters and orphanages. They help people overcome addiction. They support the most vulnerable, advocate nonviolence and compassion, fight for human rights. They care about the pain climate change will cause. Unfortunately, they are not the Christians running this country...
...While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
Phil Zuckerman is a professor of sociology and secular studies at Pitzer College and the author of “Living the Secular Life.”
It's encouraging to see a careful criticism of 'Christian' hypocrisy in its own terms which doesn't set out to ridicule all believers, from such an author.
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Brenda Clough
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Originally posted by Stetson:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The idiocy of the very young is always with us and does not alter. The idiocy of Lyin' Don, doing nothing but then claiming the credit, and then whining when his lie is unmasked, is unbelievable. If you saw it on a movie screen you would post a nasty review onto IMDB; if you read it on the page you'd be unpleasant on Goodreads. I can't escape the feeling that we're trapped in an online-TV show written from week to week by desperate scripters on drugs.
Has it been confirmed that Trump had nothing to do with their release? That would make sense, as it seemed kind of odd that he would just randomly ask Xi about these basketball players. But I haven't seen anything either way about the veracity of it.
This seems to be
a cogent summary of the entire tempest in a teapot.
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Brenda Clough
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Sometimes I despair.
Esquire magazine quotes CNN:
Trump voter panelist: "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, 'Hold on a second. I need to check with the President if it's true.'"
You can't believe it? Let's go to the videotape.
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Bishops Finger
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It does appear, Brenda, that at least some of your compatriots have indeed gone Bonkers.
Kyrie, eleison.
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Re Brenda's link:
Gaaaa.
I wonder if a) the person quoted identifies as Christian; b) is a practicing Christian; and c) understands that Jesus was resurrected, and isn't just hanging around on the cross?
It may be as simple as "Trump's here right now; where's Jesus?"
The last paragraph is apt, though:
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He's the People's President, after all. But Charlie Manson's death today ought to be a reminder that cults have consequences.
Perhaps we could persuade T to write out an adaptation of Mugabe's letter?
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re Brenda's link:
Gaaaa.
I wonder if a) the person quoted identifies as Christian; b) is a practicing Christian; and c) understands that Jesus was resurrected, and isn't just hanging around on the cross?
I'm sure they're the kind worrying about getting the Christ back into CHRISTmas and forgot all about the Christ in CHRISTian.
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what about remembering the MASS in ChristMASS?
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Note to Mr. T.
When honoring the Wind Talkers of WWII, you do not make any reference to a Pocahontas in the US Congress.
The Navajo Nation is pretty incensed about this.
Just goes to prove how racist you are.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Note to Mr. T.
When honoring the Wind Talkers of WWII, you do not make any reference to a Pocahontas in the US Congress.
The Navajo Nation is pretty incensed about this.
Just goes to prove how racist you are.
Given how often he said he didn't "have time to be politically correct" during the campaign, the fact that Trump uses racial slurs should be no surprise to anyone who was paying attention.
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While standing under a portrait of Andrew Jackson, genocidal maniac supreme who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Native Americans. This can't have been an accident.
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On the other hand, donald fart has been referred to as Chief S*itting Bull, and nobody seemed to find anything wrong with that.
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
On the other hand, donald fart has been referred to as Chief S*itting Bull, and nobody seemed to find anything wrong with that.
I have never heard that. Do you know nobody objected, or do you just mean nobody who crossed your feed?
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Native Americans regret not building wall.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Note to Mr. T.
When honoring the Wind Talkers of WWII, you do not make any reference to a Pocahontas in the US Congress.
The Navajo Nation is pretty incensed about this.
Just goes to prove how racist you are.
Good freaking grief.
I sometimes wonder if his German father and grandfather were sympathetic to that guy with the funny mustache. (Not that all Germans were/are.) That would explain some of T's comments and attitudes.
I read CNN's longish article about this incident. There's a possibly cryptic comment from Russell Begaye, the president of the Navajo Nation:
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"As Native Americans, we are proud people who have taken care of this land long before there was the United States of America and we will continue to fight for this Nation."
Does that translate to continuing to fight as part of the US armed forces; fighting for the Navajo nation; or fighting to get the land back?
Or all of the above?
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I sometimes wonder if his German father and grandfather were sympathetic to that guy with the funny mustache. (Not that all Germans were/are.) That would explain some of T's comments and attitudes.
From the tantalizingly incomplete evidence, Fred Trump seems to have been more sympathetic to the guys in the white sheets than "that guy with the funny mustache".
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Originally posted by mousethief:
While standing under a portrait of Andrew Jackson, genocidal maniac supreme who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Native Americans. This can't have been an accident.
To say nothing of taking focus off of, say, the American veterans we're supposed to be honoring, to exercise a personal feud.
I feel so sorry that these heroes were treated so shabbily. They deserved much better.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I read CNN's longish article about this incident.[/URL] There's a possibly cryptic comment from Russell Begaye, the president of the Navajo Nation:
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"As Native Americans, we are proud people who have taken care of this land long before there was the United States of America and we will continue to fight for this Nation."
Does that translate to continuing to fight as part of the US armed forces; fighting for the Navajo nation; or fighting to get the land back?
Or all of the above?
Given the mess POTUS' pick for interior sec. stands to make of the nat'l parks, the stripping of the EPA, and a 100 other ways he's squandering our children's inheritance, I'd be willing to hand the whole thing back to them (do it quickly while it's still worth taking) and take my chances that they'll have the incredible grace to let some of us latecomers stick around to help run the joint.
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Golden Key
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cliffdweller--
Yes, re giving the land back and hoping to stay. Wouldn't that be one for the history books!
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
While standing under a portrait of Andrew Jackson, genocidal maniac supreme who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Native Americans. This can't have been an accident.
To say nothing of taking focus off of, say, the American veterans we're supposed to be honoring, to exercise a personal feud.
I feel so sorry that these heroes were treated so shabbily. They deserved much better.
The Navajo vets were beyond gracious considering Trumps using a racial slur in furtherance of a feud when they were there to be honoured for their service. The man is as tone deaf and self centered as one can be.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I sometimes wonder if his German father and grandfather were sympathetic to that guy with the funny mustache. (Not that all Germans were/are.) That would explain some of T's comments and attitudes.
From the tantalizingly incomplete evidence, Fred Trump seems to have been more sympathetic to the guys in the white sheets than "that guy with the funny mustache".
Who? Charlie Chaplin?
smart-arse exits stage right, giggling.
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Chaplin dressed better.
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Brenda Clough
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Scathing indictment of the day, this from Richard Cohen at the Post.
Money quote:
"Trump has made us a meaner, smaller people. He tweets the language of the schoolyard. It is full of resentment and bravado. He asks nothing of us. Instead, he validates meanness, opportunism and prejudice. At the moment, for instance, he asks us to disbelieve the many women who have accused Roy Moore of sexual harassment or what amounts to pedophilia. It is a squalid effort — just plain dirty.
There are no metrics to gauge this sort of thing. A moral gloom, as thick as the London fog in Churchill’s time, has settled over America. It cannot be measured. Only names can be counted — the people who supported Trump and now the ones who say nothing. Moral principle has been replaced by political cowardice. This is our darkest hour."
To which I have to respond, only 330 days to the 2018 election!
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
On the other hand, donald fart has been referred to as Chief S*itting Bull, and nobody seemed to find anything wrong with that.
I have never heard that. Do you know nobody objected, or do you just mean nobody who crossed your feed?
I think it must have been in a comments section following an article in the Washington Post. To be fair, those comments have a lifespan of only a few minutes before they are buried, so I agree that it was a stretched assumption to say 'nobody'.
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Lord, have mercy.
I do really, really hope that there is a sufficiently unpleasant circle in Hell for the Moores, Trumps, and all others who prey on women and/or children.
And it will be really real to them.
Bastards.
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Point:
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!
Counterpoint:
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Washington, D.C. – House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer released the following statement after President Trump tweeted about the bipartisan meeting today at the White House with Congressional leaders:
“Given that the President doesn’t see a deal between Democrats and the White House, we believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our Republican counterparts in Congress instead. Rather than going to the White House for a show meeting that won’t result in an agreement, we’ve asked Leader McConnell and Speaker Ryan to meet this afternoon. We don’t have any time to waste in addressing the issues that confront us, so we’re going to continue to negotiate with Republican leaders who may be interested in reaching a bipartisan agreement.
“If the President, who already said earlier this year that ‘our country needs a good shutdown,’ isn’t interested in addressing the difficult year end agenda, we’ll work with those Republicans who are, as we did in April. We look forward to continuing to work in good faith, as we have been for the last month, with our Republican colleagues in Congress to do just that.”
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