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From that article:
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Rather than Republicans and people of faith checking his most unappealing sides, the president is dragging down virtually everyone within his orbit.
An interesting thought - an Orange Hole, perhaps, by which the world will be consumed?

[Paranoid]

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is from the NY Times, but it's important: evangelicals abandoning that name, because of what Republicans have done to it. The money quote:
"Where exactly is the bottom? And at what point do you pull back from associating yourself with a political party and a religious term you once took pride in but that are now doing harm to the things you treasure?
Institutional renewal and regeneration are possible, and I’m going to continue to push for them. But for now a solid majority of Republicans and self-described evangelicals are firmly aboard the Trump train, which is doing its utmost to give a seat of privilege to Mr. Moore. So for those of us who still think of ourselves as conservative and Christian, it’s enough already."

That's the strength of the trumpian Christians isn't it? They understand God better than anyone, they know how to make God stay away.

As for "enough already", it is ridiculous that this is written only now, and ridiculous that they ignored all the previous stuff. And frankly, I do not believe any of it. These Evangelical Christians worship themselves and they've embraced the many coloured beast, as well as their gilded toad idol.

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I agree. The word 'evangelical' is lost to us. I only hope we won't be forced to reboot the word 'Christian' as well. If Moore is elected, we may have no choice.

Oh, and this should amuse: Saturday Night Live's cold open.

[ 10. December 2017, 20:39: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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OK, in the spirit of the season, this is sure to entertain: the MAGA baseball cap Christmas ornament on Amazon. Don't buy it, nor all the awful merch directly below. Scroll down, to the customer comments. Almost as good as the cones for the 3-ring binder, allegedly full of women, when Romney ran.

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Do you reckon that Jim and Tammy Bakker could get a run as Republican candidates? It looks like the poor dears were ahead of their time.

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OK, in the spirit of the season, this is sure to entertain: the MAGA baseball cap Christmas ornament on Amazon. Don't buy it, nor all the awful merch directly below. Scroll down, to the customer comments. Almost as good as the cones for the 3-ring binder, allegedly full of women, when Romney ran.

Such as: 'Not my Ornament!'

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A Post discussion of the is he a toddler or not issue.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is from the NY Times, but it's important: evangelicals abandoning that name, because of what Republicans have done to it. The money quote:
"Where exactly is the bottom? And at what point do you pull back from associating yourself with a political party and a religious term you once took pride in but that are now doing harm to the things you treasure?

Institutional renewal and regeneration are possible, and I’m going to continue to push for them. But for now a solid majority of Republicans and self-described evangelicals are firmly aboard the Trump train, which is doing its utmost to give a seat of privilege to Mr. Moore. So for those of us who still think of ourselves as conservative and Christian, it’s enough already."

This New Yorker article asks the obvious inverse of the question and directs it at Republican politicians:

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The Republicans have a fifty-two-seat majority, meaning that Moore’s presence would be helpful but, in terms of control of the chamber, not decisive. What would they tolerate in order to secure the fifty-first vote? Put another way, if the Party is willing to give its money and its credibility to protect a candidate accused of molesting teen-agers, what might it talk itself into doing to protect the President? Robert Mueller may be interested in the answer.
So this is how far the Republican party is willing to go for a vote that's useful but not absolutely necessary. (With Pence as vice president Republicans can control the Senate with as few as 50 Senators.) How far do you think they would be willing to go if political control were actually on the line?

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Here's your answer: Democracy will go before Lyin' Don will. They've sacrificed so much, the GOP will hardly notice.

[ 11. December 2017, 19:31: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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Is your democracy already pretty much on life support? Your senator Franken resigns while the fact pattern regarding trumpy is more extensive regarding sexual misconduct while he supports another pervert. WTF in all the literal meaning of WTF.
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np--

Franken addressed that disparity, naming both the president and Roy Moore.

As to the rest: the last 30 yrs. or so have proven there are limits to US democracy. Including whether the folks in DC believe in it, listen to each other, and listen to their constituents.

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Aaaand he just sexually harassed a sitting US Senator on Twitter.

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Do you have a link to that, please?

There doesn't seem to anything about it on BBC News, though they do mention the notorious Alabama election..... [Disappointed]

O America - a government made up of rapists, paedophiles, and pussy-grabbers? And this somehow makes you GREAT again?

Fie, fie, fie, for shame on all those who vote/voted for these criminals.

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From the horse's mouth.

Don't tell me that was an accident or innocent.

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It's the conjunction with his previous tweet that gets me. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

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quote:
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Do you have a link to that, please?

IJ

I live to serve...

Heard it briefly referred to on BBC radio news this morning - a sort of comment in passing.

It does seem remarkable that while currently some very high-level people are being sacked and reduced to the ranks in the most public way, on accusation alone, Mr Trump remains virtuously bright and unsullied, even though accusations surrounding his behaviour circulated freely during his campaign, before he was even President.

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Truly, man creates god in his own image.....

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This is free and especially nice because they had to call her out of Bible study to see it.

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Is there really no way you Usanians can get rid of The Great Orange Incubus?

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Not so long as we have a Congress so apparently ready and willing to kiss his big fat you-know-what.

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300-odd days, folks. To the 2018 election. We must hold strong. FWIW his latest tweet is exciting the usual condemnation.

[ 12. December 2017, 18:13: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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I'm still gobsmacked as to how you people put up with such an egregious- and obvious - monster as your Head of State.

[Confused]

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quote:
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I'm still gobsmacked as to how you people put up with such an egregious- and obvious - monster as your Head of State.

[Confused]

IJ

Yes but it's not so easy though, is it? There are a few people over here I wouldn't mind if they disappeared to put it mildly

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Sadly, you are, of course, right.

My sympathies are with the majority of Usanians who did not vote for the Great Trumpkin, and also with those who now wish that they hadn't voted for It...

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I did not vote for him, and will never vote for him. His entire party is now complicit, enabling his excesses, so they're dead to me too.

I am preparing for the march in January; the first sign is going to read "Molesters, Abusers & Gropers Vote GOP." Red and blue, on white, should catch the eye, don't you think?

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Yes, it lends itself to a chaunt, viz:

M A Gee, M A Gee, M A Gee, Vote Gee O Pee or something along those lines....

[Two face]

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It also fits in with the whole MAGA thing -- "Molester, Abusers, and Gropers Again."

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quote:
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His entire party is now complicit, enabling his excesses, so they're dead to me too.

But not, I asssume, the party of Clinton, Kennedy(s), Condit, Edwards, Weiner, Frank, Conyers, Franken, et al.

[Disappointed]

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Just-as-badism is a very low moral standard and a terrible argument. It works but.

Romanlion, this thread is always better for your participation. It's like multiculturalism, but for ideologies. To adapt the giggly '70's racism of some of my parents' generation, your're our token conservative!

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Well there is that crucial distinction that the GOP is in complete power, and none of those people are.

And the further thought that the Democrats seem ready to sever contact with current abusers, whereas the GOP elects them and cossets them. I wait only for the day when they supply 14-year-olds to them -- soon, I fear.

If you have a Post click, Alexandra Petri explains Lyin' Don to us in her inimitable style.

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quote:
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I'm still gobsmacked as to how you people put up with such an egregious- and obvious - monster as your Head of State.

[Confused]


Consumption of comfort food and substances is probably way up. [Biased]

Again, what can we legally, non-violently, ethically do? (I might be willing to bend that last one.) We can't *force* Congress to do anything--especially when T's party is in power.

There was an impeachment vote last week. It failed. Even most of the Democrats weren't for it.

Some people (both Congressfolk and private people) think we should just wait for the next presidential election...glossing over all the damage T is likely to do...every day...for the next three years.

Some of the women who've accused T of sexual assault/harassment have been more public and vocal in the last couple of days. And the tape of T talking with Howard Stern, about the joys of being able to walk through the dressing rooms at the beauty pageant he ran, resurfaced.

Right now, the best bets (IMHO) are a) Mueller; b) T saying things to incriminate himself; and c) T throwing a hissy fit, taking his toys, and going home. (I.e., resigning in a huff.)

Separately, I'm wondering if T is going to say something offensive about San Francisco. Our mayor died this morning. We're a sanctuary city (limiting our cooperation with the Feds about undocumented immigrants). And I'm sure he could come up with lots of other material.

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From the Atlantic, questioning whether Crooked Don really has any shame. The answer is no.

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Just-as-badism is a very low moral standard and a terrible argument.

And the reason 95% of the participating American Electorate vote the way they do.

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If you think things cannot get any worse, you have no imagination and no sense of history.
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If you think things cannot get any worse, you have no imagination and no sense of history.

Obviously. I would also have to be deaf, dumb, and blind.

100% of the previously referenced 95% are two of three.

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Amen, np.

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Roy Moore LOST in Alabama!!!!!

I can't wait to hear Trump whine about it.

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Hallelujah!

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Roy Moore LOST in Alabama!!!!!

I can't wait to hear Trump whine about it.

Surprisingly conciliatory tweet from the POTS.

You know they had to run this over with him several times. “Mr. President, just in case something bad happens in Alabama, we have a pre-written message all set. It is very important for your agenda that you appear calm and capable, even in the face of a setback. So please, no tweeting tonight.”

And now he’s just a ticking time bomb...

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Wait till morning.
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Surprisingly conciliatory tweet from the POTS.

Who stole his phone and tweeted that? It is so totally not his style -- it's mostly complete sentences for one thing.

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Gropo the Great was probably too busy choking on his own evil, orange, bile to even pick up his phone.

Doubtless some educated myrmidon obliged.

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Despite this, "The people of this country, at a decisive election, supported President Trump, and we feel like these allegations have been answered through that process," White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (how does she sleep nights?) said on Monday, in response to the #MeToo dozen+ Trump allegators, the cognitive dissonance didn't work for Moore: He was not absolved by the voters including educated Republicans. It's all in next year's mid terms; holding on in Missouri, Indiana, West Virginia and North Dakota then taking Nevada and Arizona.

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Brenda Clough
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He is already claiming that he supported Luther Strange all along and this is what happens when you don't listen to ME.

Oh, and before we let yesterday's outrages slide into history, USA Today editorializes about his nasty comments. The money quote: “A president who would all but call Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand a whore is not fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library or to shine the shoes of George W. Bush.”

This is USA Today, the most vanilla and thin of the nation's newspapers.

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Hedgehog

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
He is already claiming that he supported Luther Strange all along and this is what happens when you don't listen to ME.

That is, of course, the completely predictable spin. Of course, what it opens him up to is the equally obvious counter-spin: Trump endorsed Strange. Who lost. And then endorsed Moore. Who lost.

If you are a Republican in a close election...do you want his endorsement or do you avoid it like the plague?

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Eutychus
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Not sure if this should be here or on the Media Sightings thread. Or in Hell. Ben Garrison's found the Ship of Fools.

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Martin60
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None of the above of course.

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Wesley J

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What bugs me is that the 'Fake News' spouted by those who invented the expression, and who accuse others of 'Fake News', goes on!

The Washington Post has this headline:
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Roy Moore, saying ‘immorality sweeps over our land,’ declines again to concede
In the article, Moore is quoted as claiming:
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“This election was tainted by over $50 million dollars from outside groups who want to retain power and their corrupt ideology.”
Isn't he actually referring to his own side? This is utterly and profoundly weird, reminding of children's playground behaviour. Explains why some are into abuse? They've never grown up?

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Eutychus
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I think what he really means is the GOP pulled his own, doubtless equivalent funding. I don't think there's much doubt that the Democrats put more money into that particular election than the Republicans.

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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Just-as-badism is a very low moral standard and a terrible argument.

And the reason 95% of the participating American Electorate vote the way they do.
I might be missing your point Romanlion, but didn't I cover that with my "It works but"?

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