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Brenda Clough
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You'll need Post access to see this, but the flagship paper has a major story today analyzing Trump's Russian weakness. He cannot, emotionally or psychologically, admit that the Russians meddled in the election; he has to have won because of his own wonderfulness and charisma. And therefore he cannot contemplate Russian interference. And so nothing is being done about it, which means that over in Moscow they're busily organizing for next time while no one is defending the ramparts.

This is a major story, Pulitzer quality material.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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If you click at just the right moment to stop the page from loading, you can still get the article before the splash screen comes up asking you to subscribe.

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Brenda Clough
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If you have a card to your local public library, use it at the library web site to log in. Often you can access many newspapers through their portal, since they subscribe.
And, if you have a .mil or .edu address, Jeff Bezos will give you a Post subscription.

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Brenda Clough
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Scouted around and found a free summary of the Post's work in Esquire. Another magazine doing sterling work this year.

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Crœsos
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
You'll need Post access to see this, but the flagship paper has a major story today analyzing Trump's Russian weakness. He cannot, emotionally or psychologically, admit that the Russians meddled in the election; he has to have won because of his own wonderfulness and charisma. And therefore he cannot contemplate Russian interference. And so nothing is being done about it, which means that over in Moscow they're busily organizing for next time while no one is defending the ramparts.

A competing analysis is that Trump is guilty of some pretty big offenses relating to Russia and the 2016 election and is thus very motivated to shut down any discussion of the subject. I'm not sure we can definitely say whether Trump's behavior is due to a fragile ego or evidence of a cover-up (and it could very well be both!), but it's kind of amazing that the very simple explanation that Trump doesn't want to talk about Russia because he's hiding something doesn't even seem to be considered in most media accounts.

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Out of curiosity, I wonder if T's borrowing bucks from Russia pre-run is a legal problem (beyond the fact that such debt, if it exists, could potentially render him vulnerable to blackmail by a hostile power)? That is, are US businesses permitted to borrow funds from just anybody, or are there restrictions on private business transactions involving governments with whom the US is at odds?

And I wonder if that's what hiding his tax returns is all about?

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@Croesos

I agree. It's probably both, as you say, but I am sure he's hiding something, rather than just being vain.

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The tax returns are key; without them we'll probably never now how hard the Russians are squeezing his balls. 300 days, to November 2018.

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I suspect the big thing is the likelihood that Trump's main business for the past two decades has been laundering money for Russian and Kazakh gangsters. His role was probably pretty passive, but it's unlikely he didn't know what was going on. There was a pretty well-sourced Financial Times story a few years ago that pointed in that direction.

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Can someone put any perspective at all on this?
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Trump administration officials are forbidding officials at the nation’s top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases... in any official documents being prepared for next year’s budget.

(...) The forbidden words are: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.”

Especially arresting is the suggestion that
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Instead of “science-based” or “evidence-based,” the suggested phrase is “CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes,”
Any precedents? Any defensible reasons? Romanlion, care to comment?

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That is horrid. Echoes of 1984. Here, from the Appendix, is a telling quote

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The particularities of Newspeak make it impossible to translate most older English (oldspeak) texts into the language; the introduction of the Declaration of Independence, for instance, can be translated only into a single word: crimethink.


[ 17. December 2017, 06:58: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

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The banning of these words makes me wonder how long until the burning of science books begins.

As so many have mentioned, every time I think things can't get worse, something like this happens. This is terrifying.

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They won't be burning the Bible, though.

Well, not the King James Authorised Version, of course - all the rest will be consigned to the flames, I daresay.

Gropo the Great's America is becoming almost surreal in its hideousness. You couldn't make it up.

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Can someone put any perspective at all on this?
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Trump administration officials are forbidding officials at the nation’s top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases... in any official documents being prepared for next year’s budget.

(...) The forbidden words are: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.”

Especially arresting is the suggestion that
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Instead of “science-based” or “evidence-based,” the suggested phrase is “CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes,”
Any precedents? Any defensible reasons? Romanlion, care to comment?

Ecclesiastes 1:9

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Which readeth:

Ecclesiastes 1:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

YMMV.

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Romanlion you earlier alleged that a Trump presidency would have no impact on your life. This policy is likely to have a negative effect on public health. Do you still feel unaffected?
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[Votive] that romanlion's Elf remains good, under the Pussygrabber President's regime...

IJ

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Administration policies should all be perfectly fine for you, as long as:

- you don't plan to retire
- you don't ever get sick or disabled
- you can afford your own birth control
- you can, always and into the future, support all your own children, who must naturally never get sick or be disabled. Ditto your aged parents.
- you never lose your job (ideally you do not need to work, having inherited wealth)
- you are white, and ideally male and older.

Easy! Let us not repine, but contemplate these new beatitudes and be grateful we don't have to deal with those old ones any more.

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Public health policy can impact your health even if you're otherwise healthy. It's to do with things like disease prevention and the social determinants of health. Worse general public health is bad for the economy, nurtures crime, and impacts society in general.

[ 16. December 2017, 16:28: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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Mr. Obama probably appreciated that, but Pussygrabber? Hah!

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Isn't he coming over here next year? Perhaps someone could shut him in the Tower and accidentally on purpose lose the key? Trouble is you've got to pay to get in these days! [Two face]

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quote:
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Isn't he coming over here next year? Perhaps someone could shut him in the Tower and accidentally on purpose lose the key? Trouble is you've got to pay to get in these days! [Two face]

I will happily pay if you promise to keep him there.
[Big Grin]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Stephen:
Isn't he coming over here next year? Perhaps someone could shut him in the Tower and accidentally on purpose lose the key? Trouble is you've got to pay to get in these days! [Two face]

I will happily pay if you promise to keep him there.
[Big Grin]

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I have been reading a book on Grant by Ron Chernow and am wading through the history of the presidency of Andrew Johnson In many ways Johnson and Drump are very similar. Both are white nationalist sympathizers, both were out touch with reality. Both have been candidates for impeachment. It would seem to me if Congress flips to Democrat, there will be a very strong movement to impeach Trump. I think there is also grounds to impeach Pence since he lied to the Congress. That would leave the Speaker of the House as next in line. Paul Ryan has hinted very strongly he is retiring, and if Congress goes Democrat, that would mean the likes of Nancy Pelosi could become president by default.
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I was thinking on the way home from church...

What if all fifty states decided as one to secede? We could stay right where we are and set up as the New U. S. of A. or some such, and leave T. stranded on a little island of No-Longer-Our-Government. If the whole country secedes, is it really a secession?

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Ian Climacus

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Is this a new position?

I'll ignore the coup reference...

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Og, King of Bashan

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They're laying the ground-work to fire Mueller during the holiday news lull.

(I'm not sure that Henry II invented the trick where you get rid of the political enemy during Christmas when no one is paying attention, but it's been a solid go-to since at least 1170.)

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Barnabas62
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quote:
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They're laying the ground-work to fire Mueller during the holiday news lull.

The one thing people learn from history ....

.... is that people do not learn from history.

But I suppose Trump is not really "people", is he?

Here is a nice quote from the first link.

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First, Trump has a very strong motive to fire Mueller: He is probably guilty.
Firing Mueller would pretty much confirm that. But it still leaves open whether the present GOP would step up to the plate. Now that's a good question.

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Og, King of Bashan

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They were set to seat a pedophile in the Senate last week, so extrapolate from there...

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Ian Climacus

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How can someone get this far?

I can't watch the video. I feel for him.

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However, Senator Kennedy said in an interview on Monday that Mr Trump called him on Saturday and said he did not personally interview Petersen and said his staff had chosen the nominees.

"He has told me, 'Kennedy, when some of my guys send someone who is not qualified, you do your job,'" the senator said.

His staff have a lot to answer for. Doubt this can be pinned on the Groping Orange Menace (or can it? do Presidents often take a hands-on role here?), but surely some basic suitability check would be done.
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If Petersen had any sense of dignity, he would simply have said, "Excuse me, gentlemen, but I'd like to withdraw my name from consideration" and would have left the room.

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Ian Climacus

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Very good point. Thank you.
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Truman had a sign, 'The Buck Stops Here.' Crooked Don should have seen to it that his staff did its job. We assume here that he cannot do the work himself. To pass the blame to them does not excuse him in the slightest. Can't he take half an hour off from tweeting and groping to do the job he swore to do?

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If Petersen had any sense of dignity, he would simply have said, "Excuse me, gentlemen, but I'd like to withdraw my name from consideration" and would have left the room.

Oh well - at least he's done that retrospectively

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Trump. The Beast's Prophet? This is a declaration of war, sorry defence through the rampant arsenal of nationalist capitalism. Isn't it intriguing that in The Apocalypse it's the environment that fights back?

[ 19. December 2017, 13:53: Message edited by: Martin60 ]

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Trump-related only, but Crooked Don is presiding over the end of Christianity in this country. White American Christianity is dying of fear.

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Well, not the end of Christianity in toto , but perhaps the end of that pernicious simulacrum* of Christianity purveyed by the right-wing conservatives....

....in which case, no bad thing IMHO.

IJ

*A lovely word. I've been trying to find a use for it all week.

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John Pavlovitz does his voice-crying-in-the-wilderness thing again.

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Dear God. What a ghastly vision.

[Mad]

America, rise up! And GET RID OF THESE BASTARDS!

IJ

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Dear God. What a ghastly vision.

[Mad]

America, rise up! And GET RID OF THESE BASTARDS!

IJ

It is ghastly Bishops Finger and a reason I suspect why Dickens wrote 'Christmas Carol' to begin with

Getting rid of them is easier said than done in a democratic country and besides which we've got a few like that ourselves......

I would however recommend a perusal of the Book of Amos which contains naught for their comfort and of course the Magnificat. I'm sure Blessed Mary would also have a thing or three to say about it!!

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Yes, I was getting Rather Heated when I posted in such immoderate terms.

As you rightly say, easier said than done.

[Disappointed]

IJ

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300 days. Election day 2018.

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Big surprise, but I might as well post that the tax bill passed the house. [Projectile]

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Martin60
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Trump-related only, but Crooked Don is presiding over the end of Christianity in this country. White American Christianity is dying of fear.

Superb Brenda. The arc is long, but there is hope. Once all the dross is burned away, real Christianity will shine in the ash.

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Ian Climacus

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Not Trump-related, but this is an interesting graph.

(To me at least.)

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Ian Climacus

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Superb Brenda. The arc is long, but there is hope. Once all the dross is burned away, real Christianity will shine in the ash.

I admire your optimism. Wish I had it.

I don't doubt a Glorious Revolution - for some time; but power will get to people's heads, as it always has. Or so thinks cynical me. I think we can but hope for a few faithful witnesses.

Sorry to be a downer.

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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
Big surprise, but I might as well post that the tax bill passed the house. [Projectile]

Yesterday I finally did something I'd never done before -- called one of the Senators from my state (I refuse to call him "my Senator"). Senator Flake was supposedly still undecided yesterday, so I called and spoke with his voicemail. The other Senator from the Great State of Arizona is John McCain, who recuperating from his cancer treatment here in Arizona and won't be there for the vote. (I seriously doubt that he'll be going back to Washington at all.)

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Brenda Clough
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No, poor man, I think this is the end for him even though he won't admit it.
And in more local news, my state of Virginia has just flipped the state legislature. After weeks of recounting, it came down to =one= vote!
The Post analysis: "Their victory was confirmed when Democrat Shelly Simonds won a recount Tuesday for a seat in the Virginia House by just one vote. A judicial panel needs to certify the results on Wednesday, but Democrats are claiming victory.
That means Republicans and Democrats will have a rare tie in that chamber — something even the most optimistic Democrats didn't think was possible going into last month's election. Republicans had held the majority in this statehouse for two decades, and before last month, they controlled 66 out of 100 seats. After Tuesday, both sides hold 50 seats."

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Pigwidgeon

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I really hope this link works: From Russia with Love.

[Snigger]

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There was talk of not seating the new Democrat senator until after the vote on the tax thing. Is that still the case?

Its no surprise I suppose. McConnell is a master of the dark art of process.

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