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I'm thinking you might be using your phone, and that's why you're sticking to distracting one-liners. Otherwise, it looks like you can't put an argument at all, or lack the courage to put it forward properly.

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Whatever you say skip.

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Different tack. Anderson Cooper is just interviewing Rob Porter's second wife. She has said that both she and his first wife told the FBI about his abusive behaviour as part of their background check in March 2017. It seems that Kelly sat on the FBI feedback for months. Porter's wife observed, remarkably, that Porter was probably capable of 'spinning' any FBI report, downplaying its importance, keeping Kelly onside.

Remarkable interview in many ways.

[ 09. February 2018, 00:43: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

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And now White House Staff Secretary, arguably the third most powerful person in the white house, after the President, and the Chief of Staff, is forced to resign because of allegations of spousal abuse from his two former wives.

How did he become so powerful? Ask the groper in chief.

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
Whatever you say skip.

yeah. No guts.

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Originally posted by simontoad:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Whatever you say skip.

yeah. No guts.
What was your question again? Other than the one I responded to directly?

[ 09. February 2018, 01:03: Message edited by: romanlion ]

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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
Whatever you say skip.

yeah. No guts.
I don't normally stick my Host Hat on when I'm actively participating in a thread, but this is obvious.

simontoad, you're over the Commandment 3 fault line. Take it to Hell by all means, but leave it out here.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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A comment that seemed both cheeky and accurate is: тrump falls for glorious яussian tradition of military parades! How apropos.
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That was one of my first thoughts. Very Russian!

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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
As a follow up, here is a detailed look at the legality of drone strikes. And this is the grey area. What limits apply to the pursuit of unlawful combatants, given that the traditional definition of battleground doesn't really work any more.

Which glosses over the irregular nature of the 'war' (both in temporal and spatial terms), and completely ignores the issue of so-called 'signature strikes'.

Though we are going off topic here.

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BBC News reports this year's second US government shutdown.

What can we infer from this? That the country is becoming ungovernable? Or that General Groper is trying to achieve the BIGLIEST numbers of such shutdowns EVER?

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quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
As a follow up, here is a detailed look at the legality of drone strikes. And this is the grey area. What limits apply to the pursuit of unlawful combatants, given that the traditional definition of battleground doesn't really work any more.

Which glosses over the irregular nature of the 'war' (both in temporal and spatial terms), and completely ignores the issue of so-called 'signature strikes'.

Though we are going off topic here.

chris and others

I think it is worth a separate thread.

See here.

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quote:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Granted it will require some skill from the Speaker, which is a concern for Trump I'm sure, but now that Schumer has ceded his leverage the package will likely hit all of Trump's enforcement requirements, while only directly addressing the relatively small DACA population.

Has Schumer ceded any leverage? It seems like there's just as much leverage in three weeks when the continuing resolution expires as there was last weekend. He may have even more, since Republicans can no longer hold CHIP kids hostage.
Guess not...

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The government shutdowns can't in all fairness be blamed upon Liddle Donny. It's Congress which is dysfunctional. He could of course refuse to sign what they send him, but historically this rarely happens.
Likewise Congress is responsible for budgetary matters. The sepulchers are exceptionally whited today on this point. It is plain that budget deficits are only a problem when the other guy is doing them. For me, not you, just like Supreme Court justices and porn stars.

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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Different tack. Anderson Cooper is just interviewing Rob Porter's second wife. She has said that both she and his first wife told the FBI about his abusive behaviour as part of their background check in March 2017. It seems that Kelly sat on the FBI feedback for months. Porter's wife observed, remarkably, that Porter was probably capable of 'spinning' any FBI report, downplaying its importance, keeping Kelly onside.

Remarkable interview in many ways.

Particularly the fact that the person who controlled the flow of information to the president* was unable to get a permanent security clearance.

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Looks like Jared and Ivanka want Kelly gone. Chaos rules.

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Particularly the fact that the person who controlled the flow of information to the president*

* I thought that was the producer of Fox & Friends?

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So Donald Trump wishes accused wife beater Rob Porter well and hopes "he will have a great career ahead of him". How nice of him. He also took the trouble to point out (repeatedly) that Porter denies the allegations. I guess because his accusers are all women and you know you can't trust those character assassins. Just ask Orrin Hatch.

And in other news this seems to have slipped in under the media radar.

quote:
Russians penetrated U.S. voter systems, top U.S. official says

The U.S. official in charge of protecting American elections from hacking says the Russians successfully penetrated the voter registration rolls of several U.S. states prior to the 2016 presidential election.

In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Jeanette Manfra, the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security, said she couldn't talk about classified information publicly, but in 2016, "We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."

We're not quite there yet, but we're edging closer to the point where questions about whether votes or voter rolls were changed aren't something that can be dismissed out of hand. And there's this very closely parsed sentence.

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There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.
"There is no evidence" could mean any number of things from "there's no evidence because it didn't happen" to "there's no evidence because we haven't found any yet" to "there's no evidence because we're afraid to look".

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In the midst of all these downers this fellow is enormously encouraging There are prophets among us yet!

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More oops!

Trump calls in WH press corps and delivers a praise-filled valedictory re Rob Porter. Zero reference to his wives.

Another WH aide resigns over domestic abuse allegations.

Kelly is said to have offered his resignation over the full clearance fiasco, is now busily glossing his actions re Porter's resignation.

Up to 40 WH staff and aides still do not have full security clearance, 13 months into the life of this administration.

Oh .. and the Democratic memo has not been released. Redactions are necessary.

Just another day in the White House ..

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quote:
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More oops!

Trump calls in WH press corps and delivers a praise-filled valedictory re Rob Porter. Zero reference to his wives.

Another WH aide resigns over domestic abuse allegations.

Kelly is said to have offered his resignation over the full clearance fiasco, is now busily glossing his actions re Porter's resignation.

Up to 40 WH staff and aides still do not have full security clearance, 13 months into the life of this administration.

Oh .. and the Democratic memo has not been released. Redactions are necessary.

Just another day in the White House ..

Is there any suggestion anywhere that he might be a murderer?

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quote:
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Is there any suggestion anywhere that he might be a murderer?

Who knows?

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quote:
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"There is no evidence" could mean any number of things from "there's no evidence because it didn't happen" to "there's no evidence because we haven't found any yet" to "there's no evidence because we're afraid to look".

Or "There is no evidence because we have destroyed it."

[ 10. February 2018, 03:54: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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Heard on the radio that VP Pence managed to snub some people at the Olympics.
[Roll Eyes]

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Our coverage here had several cutaways during the historic, moving procession of the unified Korean team. The entire stadium was on their feet, cheering wildly, including those sitting with the Pences. VP Pence and his wife ("mother") remained seated, no applause looking bored.

I'm so embarrassed by our government

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Yup. [Frown]

BTW, on that "mother" thing": It used to be a thing for parents to call each other "mother" and "father" in front of the kids--and, sometimes, they'd just get in the habit and keep doing it as an endearment.

I don't know if that's why Pence does it. FWIW.

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Has America opened for business again yet? Or is the 'CLOSED' sign still firmly on the door?

[Disappointed]

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Our coverage here had several cutaways during the historic, moving procession of the unified Korean team. The entire stadium was on their feet, cheering wildly, including those sitting with the Pences. VP Pence and his wife ("mother") remained seated, no applause looking bored.

I'm so embarrassed by our government

It's like seating nightmare relatives at a wedding which one guest would rather was a funeral.
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It seems indeed to be a funeral - the funeral of democracy, that is.

:what?

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From NPR, a description of a military parade I'd be happy to support. No chance that such an event will occur, however. It would not meed the psychological needs that large missiles and jackboots do, of the originator of the notion.

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quote:
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From NPR, a description of a military parade I'd be happy to support. No chance that such an event will occur, however. It would not meed the psychological needs that large missiles and jackboots do, of the originator of the notion.

Really, Brenda? A parade whose intention is to intimidate its country's own populace?

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Well yes, but the link indicates that all those probably ignored by the Mad Emperor, and His Equally-Mad Minions and Myrmidons, should legitimately be included in such a 'parade'.

Dear Lord....is there no end yet in sight to this man's insanity?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
From NPR, a description of a military parade I'd be happy to support. No chance that such an event will occur, however. It would not meed the psychological needs that large missiles and jackboots do, of the originator of the notion.

Really, Brenda? A parade whose intention is to intimidate its country's own populace?
I just read the piece. Its description of the Bastille Day parade didn't strike me as intimidating the French populace. Its multinational dimension struck me as reassuring. Not in all cases or always, but France, at its best, has been an inspiration for the aspirations of people around the world. Did I miss something?

[Of course, I don't expect that kind of display from Trump.]

[ 10. February 2018, 17:55: Message edited by: Pangolin Guerre ]

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Other news.

A significant development. Rachel Brand was the heir-apparent in overseeing the special prosecutor, if Trump fired Rosenstein. It's not clear whether she went for the money, or ran for cover!

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quote:
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Its description of the Bastille Day parade didn't strike me as intimidating the French populace.

[Paranoid]
Member of the French populace here. I have never, ever, heard of the Bastille Day parade being seen as intimidating by anyone.

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Me neither. IME it's seen as an entertaining spectacle for those who can be bothered to get up on a public holiday for it. (I've never been - I always choose the sleep-in.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
From NPR, a description of a military parade I'd be happy to support. No chance that such an event will occur, however. It would not meed the psychological needs that large missiles and jackboots do, of the originator of the notion.

Really, Brenda? A parade whose intention is to intimidate its country's own populace?
I just read the piece. Its description of the Bastille Day parade didn't strike me as intimidating the French populace. Its multinational dimension struck me as reassuring. Not in all cases or always, but France, at its best, has been an inspiration for the aspirations of people around the world. Did I miss something?

[Of course, I don't expect that kind of display from Trump.]

I assumed Brenda was referring to the author's imagined parade, described in the last two paragraphs of the article:


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If the president really wants to see a U.S. military parade roll down Pennsylvania Avenue, why not leave missiles in their silos and tanks on their staging grounds, and ask veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Vietnam and Korea, to march? Some might limp. Some will be in wheelchairs. But they will finally receive some of the acclaim and thanks they deserve. Their march might remind us of the costs we ask them to bear, during and after a conflict.

Some other marchers might include the soldiers who protect the United States from attack with codes and keystrokes; support personnel — mechanics, drivers, clerks, cooks — who make up most of the armed forces, but are rarely glorified in films; or nurses, doctors, psychiatrists and medics who try to put healing hands on the wounds of war. All of those brave service members would make an inspiring parade.



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Early in the article, the author makes the point that one of the purposes of tinpot dictators' military parades is to remind the populace of just how powerful said dictators are, discouraging opposition from unhappy citizens.

Given the nature of our current, er, leadership and its apparent notions of "treason," I assume that's what 44.2 would be planning. That is, to the extent that anything this administration gets up to could be said to have been "planned."

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quote:
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Early in the article, the author makes the point that one of the purposes of tinpot dictators' military parades is to remind the populace of just how powerful said dictators are, discouraging opposition from unhappy citizens.

Given the nature of our current, er, leadership and its apparent notions of "treason," I assume that's what 44.2 would be planning. That is, to the extent that anything this administration gets up to could be said to have been "planned."

Oh, I don't think there's any doubt about what Trump has in mind. My concern was that you appeared to be misinterpreting what Brenda was advocating when she said "this" is a parade she could support.

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Yes, that's what I meant. But it would be terribly dull for the TV cameras. My husband would be in it, the computer security researcher for the federal contractor. My daughter, the Afghan war vet, and her husband who has done three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. My son, the security clearance researcher. Li'l Donny doesn't want to see them. He needs phallic substitutes.

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Boring or not, it's a parade if be much more likely to show up and brave the crowds for, and stand and cheer wildly for, than the self congratulatory "mines bigger" alpha male posturing one Trump has in mind

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Just when you think things couldn't get worse ....

Trump invokes due process. The irony, the blindness, is breathtaking.

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I think T wanders in a fog, much of the time. (One of his various modes of functioning.) The comments this time are probably also informed by allegations against *him*. He has to be perfect, so he can't have done anything wrong, so other guys accused of the same things probably haven't done anything wrong, either.

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This is a free click and explains how an exorcism has cleared out all the demons at the White House. Which were of course Obama's fault.

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Load of credulous nutters.

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What about the ones which may have found human (or at least sort of human) lodgings?

I'm not much into demonology but isn't the NT picture one of demons in people (and pigs), not buildings and objects?

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Was it done with bell book and candle? It's not valid is it without those appurtences? [Two face]

Feeling - well - devilish!

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Oh no! Many years ago a friend gave my mother a pair of wooden carvings (heads) from Haiti. Now I'm wondering if they were 'demonic and idolatrous objects,' or if they 'provided a legal ground for demonic spirits.'
[Eek!]

Can I blame the demonic heads for anything that went wrong in my family's life afterwards?

Now I'm wondering what happened to them when Mom sold the house and moved. Where are they now?

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Brenda, I think you meant it was the Clintons' fault, what with their obvious occult possession by those evil Haitians....

[Disappointed]

Is there no limit to the fruitloopery surrounding the White House?

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That kind of thinking is relatively common in a lot of charismatic/pentecostal circles.
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