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He is merely following in the footsteps of his doltish elders: FL legislators move to relax background checks for gun purchases. this was =today='s headline.

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There.

Are.

No.

Words.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Well, that's what they teach them in the pseudo-military 'cadet force', presumably. Good guys with guns, a-learning how to 'protect'....

Meanwhile, the world looks on, and gapes in wonder at the dystopia that America seems to be sliding towards....

[Disappointed]

Is there now any other country that takes America and its so-called government seriously?

IJ

Indeed. The next season of "The Handmaid's Tale" may well be overtaken by events.
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I don't think this is a hoax: but apparently a book is to be released called "The Faith of Donald J Trump - a spiritual biography".

Authors David Brody and Scott Lamb.

One assumes it is a very short book. Or possible The Onion's best ever spoof.

[ 16. February 2018, 14:08: Message edited by: mr cheesy ]

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Well, that's possibly true, but it'll consist of the title page, and nothing else.

Wasn't there a song which went something like this:

'I'll sing you a song of Spiro Agnew,
and all the great things he has done!'

That was the lot. Silence followed.

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For masocists, here is the preview on Google books

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quote:
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For masocists, here is the preview on Google books

Actually, I found this teaser fascinating. It looks like it could be a very insightful analysis of What Went Wrong-- for evangelicals as much as for Trump. The chapter titles alone were intriguing-- each would make a great Ship thread.

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Bishop's Finger, I think the rest of the world takes Trump's America very seriously indeed, just like any other deranged teenager running amok with a deadly firearm.

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A fair point, and a thoughtful answer to my somewhat rhetorical question.

Lord, have mercy on us all.

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Unhealthy Donald proposed a budget only last week which cuts the funding for school safety programs. You have to admit, the man's timing is pinpoint precise.

From this same publication New York Magazine, people did indeed report the Florida shooter, just as Crooked Don suggested yesterday. It did damn all.

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So Robert Mueller unsealed another indictment just now. The named parties are thirteen Russian individuals and three Russian organizations. The charges are:

  • Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
  • Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud and Bank Fraud
  • Six different counts of identity theft

Not all charges apply to all defendants.

So this seems to be laying the groundwork for establishing how the Russians interfered with the 2016 presidential election, which is half of Mueller's remit. The other half is tracking down anyone in the Trump campaign or transition who may have been involved in that. This seems pretty big. At the very least it makes it very difficult to fire Mueller.

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Sorry, that last count should be Aggravated Identity Theft. I'm not sure what the aggravating factors are, but it's a legally relevant term of art and I missed the edit window to change it.

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So this seems to be laying the groundwork for establishing how the Russians interfered with the 2016 presidential election, which is half of Mueller's remit. The other half is tracking down anyone in the Trump campaign or transition who may have been involved in that. This seems pretty big. At the very least it makes it very difficult to fire Mueller.

Conservative Twitter, on the other hand, is playing up the lack of any reference to collusion in the indictment as total vindication of Trump.

Others are asking when ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who tweeted about Hilary are going to start getting locked up.

I hate Twitter, but it's always useful when you want to see how someone else can read the same thing you just did and come to a completely different conclusion... [Ultra confused]

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Speaking of Twitter, this thread from back in October by a law professor and former special counsel outlines the advantages of Mueller indicting a lot of Russians. This was written when it was known Mueller had issued an indictment but we didn't know that it was Gates and Manafort who had been indicted. The logic still seems to hold, though.

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A major development.

Looks like the involvement of US nationals may get classified as 'unwitting', but the Trump assertion that stories of Russian interference were part of a hoax has been firmly refuted.

What happens next?

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Trump moves into a silent, cloistered monastery in a country with no extradition treaty with the US?

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Don't see him doing silence or celibacy. Anyway, he's tweeting 'vindicated'.

I did wonder if the wording was designed to encourage him to accept a request for interview.

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[Projectile] [Projectile]

If you are unaware of that to which I am referring, it's just the latest tweet that tries to appropriate the deaths of children to vindicate himself.

Sick.

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Pretty sickmaking.

Unfortunately, all too typical.

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quote:
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Trump moves into a silent, cloistered monastery in a country with no extradition treaty with the US?

I'm currently enjoying schadenfreude with respect to Australian Politics, but this is just a wonderful idea GK.
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Is Lovely Leader Lump now asserting that the school shooting is the fault of the Russians?

[Eek!]

Vlad The Inhaler won't like that....

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Nope. The FBI, spending too much resource in investigating his alleged crookery, not enough on tracking school shooters. It's all about him, yet again.

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This is a cogent analysis from the New Yorker: how creating a climate of fear is Crooked Don's deliberate policy. It is the tactic of tyrants.

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I just read that Tangerine Tweetolini is now keen on ending federal funding for public libraries and dismantling both the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Enfowment for the Arts. I personally don’t think he gives a shit about any of this, but is simply parroting the desires of the Republican neo -feudalists who are intent on de- educating the nation. [Mad]

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As I recall, that was in his 'budget.' It is fantasy fiction, don't worry about it. Congress already, with great agony, voted on a budget for two years.

Over at the Post Ruth Marcus calls it like it is: dereliction of duty. Sickly Donald is not fulfilling the duties of a president.

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Sickly Donald

This is getting as tiresome as Illary, faster.

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Brenda Clough
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I have been as good as gold. Have I ever mentioned his hair? Never, neither the dye job nor the hair plugs nor the toupee nor the combover. The words Mango and Orange have never passed my lips; not a bit of fatshaming has occurred even though there are ten thousand memes. Only using the denigrations that Crooked Don himself uses, on others. And don't think he hasn't stopped! The tweets are an endless resource. He was blaming Hillary only this morning. What he won't get, ever, is the use of his true name. He is as Voldemort to me. One must therefore use something to refer to him, and why not his own words?

In the meantime, a (free) cartoon about the duties he is not performing. He is clearly not going to defend us against the Russians. Putin must have some heavy-duty levers clamped around his personal organs.

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What he won't get, ever, is the use of his true name. He is as Voldemort to me. One must therefore use something to refer to him, and why not his own words?

Because you are sinking to his level. Do you want to sound like romanlion?

Criticisms of Trump - and there is no shortage of material - will be all the more forceful if they are not couched in playground language.

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‘The current Republican administration’ would be an even better synonym, since it would remind everone that he is just the symptom, not the disease.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:

Criticisms of Trump - and there is no shortage of material - will be all the more forceful if they are not couched in playground language.

Except at this point the criticisms in this thread are mostly serving as therapy rather than discussion.
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In which case they should be in Hell.

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The Current Republican Orange Kleptos? Because that's not fake news they spew, its a crock of shit.

I'm not sure there's been many open complaints about Romanlion's language, Dims etc. I only remember LutheranChk recently. There may well have been covert complaints. Not my business, I guess. If our insults at Trump were themselves drawing complaints and therefore adding to the workload of admins, I'd certainly stop.

I suppose that if we who support reasonable and conservative political centrism don't object to the language of the children of a lesser god, we too can make up humerous anagrams and wordplays to lighten our loads. After all, many many people have died, and not just Americans, since Trump took office. Referring to him as Wings over the Desert when the wind strikes his hair and exposes the mottled pink and white bowling ball of his skull seems a little on the mild side.

At least there's the satisfaction of seeing the preening cock tied to the train tracks that is the inexorable course of the Mueller Investigation, with the findings of complicity and obstruction a nineteenth-century engine and caboose in the distance. Toot toot. See the strutting cock struggle against the inevitable prosecution, will Nunes save him? No. The treasonous cock and his incompetent flock will lie and cheat their way to prison, and our freedom.

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Since "trump" is slang in many English-speaking cultures for "wind passed especially noisily from the anus," I prefer "Fartletter-in-Chief." Certainly nothing that comes out of his mouth rises any higher than that.

As for romanlion, I don't engage him. In my mind he doesn't exist.

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In which case they should be in Hell.

I'm not claiming that 'is' implies 'ought'.
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Since "trump" is slang in many English-speaking cultures for "wind passed especially noisily from the anus," I prefer "Fartletter-in-Chief." Certainly nothing that comes out of his mouth rises any higher than that.


Yes, writing trump without the capital = fart.

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I also prefer to refer to him as "the current occupant of the White House" rather than the President. He usurped the presidency as a result of what in the opinion of many was a fraudulent campaign and a deeply flawed electoral process. Again in the opinion of many, he is completely unqualified to hold the office. He has sullied and denigrated the office by his mere holding it. In my mind the White House is at present domus vacans (Latin for vacant house).

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But it would displease you, I know, for me to refer to him as The Fart. It is not I who calls people (as Elderly Donald did only yesterday) "Li'l Adam" Schiff (the Democratic chair of the House Intelligence Committee). Words are a weapon, my weapon. And I mirror his back at him so that you are always reminded of his pettiness and toddler invective.

You need not use a POST click on this unless you like, because it's complete and you have heard it all before, but here is an exhaustive summary of all the lies tweeted on Sunday. It goes on for screen after screen. I am pleased that some journalist is laboriously tabulating and keeping track of the flood of untruths; it must be grim and unending work.

Nor do you want to read the dozens of tweets. But that there are so many, flailing out at everybody (including Hillary!), tells the tale. The man is terrified. He knows the FBI is getting close. But he can't defy his Russian handlers, probably for some even more awful reason. Dirty pictures? Nah, Stormy Daniels & co. have that covered. Follow the money, Mr. Mueller...

[ 19. February 2018, 14:58: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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Nor do you want to read the dozens of tweets. But that there are so many, flailing out at everybody (including Hillary!), tells the tale. The man is terrified. He knows the FBI is getting close. But he can't defy his Russian handlers, probably for some even more awful reason. Dirty pictures? Nah, Stormy Daniels & co. have that covered. Follow the money, Mr. Mueller...

That's my take as well. Photos of him romping with Russian whores? He'd just want copies to send out with his Christmas cards (which will NOT say "happy holidays", good Christian that he is).

No, my money is on evidence of illegal money laundering. Something that could get him some hard prison time.

Although perhaps all Putin needs to keep him in line is simply a list of all the Russians that have come to unfortunate untimely deaths on both Russian and American soil in the last year...

As much as I am sure that Trump is an incompetent (albeit useful from Putin's pot) fool, I am convinced that Putin is a sociopathic genius. And that is truly chilling.

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O yes - t is all piss and wind. It's those pulling his strings who are to be feared, and Putin is of the highest calibre of fear-inducing wossname.

A very clever and far-seeing man.

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But it would displease you, I know, for me to refer to him as The Fart.

Not in the least, my dear, not in the least.

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But it would displease you, I know, for me to refer to him as The Fart. (...) Words are a weapon, my weapon. And I mirror his back at him so that you are always reminded of his pettiness and toddler invective.

Well I for one don't need you to remind me.

Besides, doesn't it say something somewhere about (s)he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword?

You're not using your writing skills to fight him, you're borrowing his own weapons and in doing so allowing him to take the battle to a petty, pathetic theatre in which he excels and on which the media gorges, and away from common sense.

Name-calling suggests you have nothing better to throw; it's a last resort. If used systematically, as Trump does, it reflects a constant desire to belittle others.

I don't believe Trump needs belittling. He belittles himself plenty, albeit unwittingly. His misdeeds can be called for what they are, but he himself remains a person. As a defence lawyer in a notorious child-killing case here recently said of his client, he "remains a member of the human community".

To forget that is to forget one's own humanity. To deliberately waive it is to reject the role of the very institutions Trump is himself wrecking.

As a member of the human community Trump should certainly be held fully accountable, but at the end of the day, I believe he is ultimately to be pitied, a bit like Gollum. His end will be miserable. On one level I will breathe a sigh of relief, but on another I will try to retain at least a tiny quantum of pity.

Let rip in Hell all you like, that's fine and healthy, but if Purgatory cannot rise above this level, I think Trumpism has scored a victory by debasing the debate and diminishing humanity.

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Og, King of Bashan

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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Since "trump" is slang in many English-speaking cultures for "wind passed especially noisily from the anus," I prefer "Fartletter-in-Chief." Certainly nothing that comes out of his mouth rises any higher than that.


Yes, writing trump without the capital = fart.
In the States, at least, "trump" as a verb generally takes its meaning from card games, especially Bridge. The "trump" card is the card that beats all other cards. Obviously something the Trump family would like to think is true of itself.

Today, he urged us to have a "very reflective" President's day. Which is kind of odd- if you have civic reflections on federal holidays, you usually reserve them for Martin Luther King day, Memorial Day, July 4th, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, and maybe Labor Day, depending on your feelings regarding labor unions. President's day? You usually either scramble to find child care (schools and government offices are closed, most private businesses carry on as usual), fight the crowds at the ski hill, or go out and buy a mattress (Presidents Day sales being how retail business try to get people back to buying stuff after the end of the holidays).

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I believe the connection to gas-passing is from "trump" as in "trumpet": the sound involved.
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Perhaps President's Day is a good time to send him thoughts and prayers?

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Special offers like this one for example?

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In the meantime, a (free) cartoon about the duties he is not performing. He is clearly not going to defend us against the Russians. Putin must have some heavy-duty levers clamped around his personal organs.

David Frum examines some of the implications here.

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CIA Director Mike Pompeo predicted to the BBC at the beginning of 2018 that Russia “will be back” to help its preferred candidates in November 2018. To what extent does President Trump—to what extent do congressional Republicans—look to Russian interference to help their party in the 2018 cycle?

Most observers predict a grim year for the GOP in 2018. But the economy is strong, and selective tax cuts are strategically redistributing money from blue-state professionals to red-state parents. The Republican national committee commands a huge financial advantage over its Democratic counterpart. (Things look more even at the level of the individual candidates.) A little extra help could make a big difference to Republican hopes—and to Trump’s political survival.

Nothing has been done in the past 15 months to prevent that help from flowing. You have to wonder whether the president does not privately welcome that help, as he publicly welcomed help from WikiLeaks in the summer of 2016.

So far no one in the Republican leadership, neither Trump nor McConnell nor Ryan, has acted like Russian interference in American elections is a problem. This makes sense only if they assume that all future interference will benefit the Republican party, which is an interesting assumption to make.

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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Today, he urged us to have a "very reflective" President's day. Which is kind of odd- if you have civic reflections on federal holidays, you usually reserve them for Martin Luther King day, Memorial Day, July 4th, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, and maybe Labor Day, depending on your feelings regarding labor unions. President's day? You usually either scramble to find child care (schools and government offices are closed, most private businesses carry on as usual), fight the crowds at the ski hill, or go out and buy a mattress (Presidents Day sales being how retail business try to get people back to buying stuff after the end of the holidays).

I hear golf is popular, at least if you're in Florida or somewhere else warm. I'm guessing that the official statement that Trump would avoid hitting the links this weekend out of respect for the victims of the recent school shooting isn't technically a lie if you point out that Presidents Day is a Monday.

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For you, Eutychus, anything. I am famously pliable, of the sweetest and most clement nature, dwelling by the Springs of Dove. I will resort only to analogy, inference, and allusion; it will be upon the reader to figure it out. There's a lot of fantasy and horror fiction out there! You will know who I mean, when I speak of Voldemort, eh? Or He Who Shall Not Be Named. Or the Stench that Rose from Pennsylvania Avenue...

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Originally posted by Boogie:
Yes, writing trump without the capital = fart.

And with the capital = Fart.

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Apparently "one White House official" is able to see the silver lining in any apparently bad situation.

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“For everyone, it was a distraction or a reprieve,” said one White House official, speaking anonymously to reflect internal conversations. “A lot of people here felt like it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled.”

The official likened the brief political calm to the aftermath of the October 2017 gun massacre in Las Vegas that left 58 dead and hundreds more injured. That tragedy united White House aides and the country in their shared mourning for the victims and their families.

“But as we all know, sadly, when the coverage dies down a little bit, we’ll be back through the chaos,” the official said.

Yes, that's what's sad about school shootings, the fact that it only temporarily distracts the press from asking you about inappropriate security clearances, Russian election interference, or just the general corruption and incompetence that seems an everyday thing with this administration. What a ghoul!

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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
In the States, at least, "trump" as a verb generally takes its meaning from card games, especially Bridge. The "trump" card is the card that beats all other cards. Obviously something the Trump family would like to think is true of itself.

He probably thinks it was named after him. (Please don't confuse him with facts such as that the word was around long before he was born.)
[Disappointed]

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