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Boogie

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Says president trump who spends much of his time at his holiday resort [Roll Eyes]

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Crœsos
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In what promises to be an interesting change of the political terrain (assuming it's not just a temporary polling blip) Gallup apparently no longer considers Texas to be a Republican state, listing it as "Competitive" rather than "Leans Republican" or "Strong Republican". For Gallup a "Competitive" state is one where the difference between affiliation with the two major U.S. political parties is five percentage points or less. Gallup estimates Texas to be a 41%/38% R/D state, so still slightly Republican but within the polling margin of error.

Texas seems like a plausible state for the Democrats to flip. The Republican margin of victory in the 2016 presidential election was ~9 percentage points. More relevantly, Texas has one of the lower voter turnout rates. Data on eligible voters is hard to come by, but only 53% voting age citizens in Texas voted in 2016. For comparison the national turnout in 2016 was 61% of the voting age population. And this isn't a new thing. Turnout in Texas was 50% in 2012 and 54% in 2008. An all-out voter registration drive that simply brought those numbers in line with the national average might be sufficient to flip the state long term.

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Is there no limit to t's fruitloopery?

Presumably, every one of those photos of Obama in the Oval Office is a Fake, and all those who appear in the photos or videos with him were somehow beguiled or bewitched into visiting a film set, or something...

.....and, no doubt, it's not really Obama in the photos, but an elaborately made-up actor (who is brown, and therefore a Bad Hombre, probably an illegal immigrant, and a Muslim to boot).

Of course, all these people have been paid at least $130000 each to keep quiet about it.

[Killing me]

And you still persist in having this lunatic as your head of state?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:

And you still persist in having this lunatic as your head of state?

"Persist in" is unfair, isn't it? It's something US citizens will enjoy or endure (depending on their persuasion) until 2020 at the earliest, barring impeachment or premature death.

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Well, yes - maybe my language was somewhat immoderate.

[Votive] for those enduring this time of madness and folly.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Is there no limit to t's fruitloopery?

[Killing me]

And you still persist in having this lunatic as your head of state?

IJ

Dear Bishop's Digit:

So delighted that "we" and our "persistence" could inspire such mirth. "We" live to amuse. You'll be pleased to know that the antics which are "killing" you -- [Killing me] -- can arguably be said to be killing (as opposed to "killing") some of us, through gun violence, denial of medical care, racial profiling by police, etc. I'm sure that these "fruitloopy" sacrifices we're making add significantly to your hilarity.

Indeed, our dedication to keeping you and others in stitches is the primary reason we have not taken up pitchforks and torches, to say nothing of flintlocks and blunderbusses, against the current regime. Clearly, it's not fear for our own lives which stops us; a number of us are losing those anyway.

While I cannot say for certain who the "you" referenced in your final sentence is/are, rest assured that we -- despite the electoral college results which, with Russian help, put this vulgar, ignorant, kleptocrat into office; despite the obstreperous, corrupt, and non-representational Congress (an additional source of risibility) we're all so tickled by; and despite the rapidly-mounting restrictions on our speech freedoms and our ability to inform ourselves accurately about the real toll this regime is taking on our democracy -- we are in fact actively resisting, enduring, protesting, and decrying, NOT "persisting," in support for this lunatic regime.

Meanwhile, though, feel free to enjoy.

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There are actually photographs of the MarALago Cringer sitting in the Oval Office across from President Obama, on either side of the fireplace. It was taken after the election but before the inaugural. I don't know how he explains that. Perhaps he does not remember.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
There are actually photographs of the MarALago Cringer sitting in the Oval Office across from President Obama, on either side of the fireplace. It was taken after the election but before the inaugural. I don't know how he explains that. Perhaps he does not remember.

It was obviously Photoshopped, just like all of the other photos of President Obama in the Oval Office when he was really off playing golf in Kenya.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Well, yes - maybe my language was somewhat immoderate.

[Votive] for those enduring this time of madness and folly.

Immoderate? Ya think? You seemed to have gotten past this kind of comment.
[Roll Eyes]

The votive is appreciated, but...

To other non-American people who share his "And you still persist in having this lunatic as your head of state?" perspective:

As I've said, many times, when someone makes this kind of crack:

Keeping in mind "legal, non-violent, and ethical" (and I might be willing to bend re ethical): what do you think we can and should do, that we haven't tried, that will actually **WORK**?

Don't forget we have a different government, constitution, history, and culture than other countries. And no, a parliament is not the answer here.

ISTM that anyone who looks at a desperately troubled country, and asks residents (in anger or sarcasm) why the country still has troubles and why the leader is still in office should take a long, hard look at their own country's present and past. When was *their* country troubled and messed up? How would they have reacted if outsiders made snarky comments and assumed the problems could just be *fixed*??

Grrrrr.

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Og, King of Bashan

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Pictures now circulating of Trumps note cards for his meeting with kids from the Florida school where the recent shooting occurred.

Someone zoomed in, and took special notice of the note reminding him to say “I hear you” at the end of the meeting.

That’s right, he needs written reminders to show basic empathy.

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Brenda Clough
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At least his staff is earning their (surely too meager) pay. I am certain he did not write those prompt cards himself. Wouldn't it be grand to see them? I wonder if 'no ogling girls' is on any of them. Here BTW is the POST story, complete with blown-up photo Only a few of the points are visible. Reportedly although he did wander off onto a side issue of arming teachers he didn't do anything egregious. One must always be grateful.

[ 22. February 2018, 00:09: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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Boogie

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quote:
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Pictures now circulating of Trumps note cards for his meeting with kids from the Florida school where the recent shooting occurred.

Someone zoomed in, and took special notice of the note reminding him to say “I hear you” at the end of the meeting.

That’s right, he needs written reminders to show basic empathy.

‘I hear you’ code for ‘I heard you but I’m not listening and won’t do anything’ - no empathy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
At least his staff is earning their (surely too meager) pay. I am certain he did not write those prompt cards himself. Wouldn't it be grand to see them? I wonder if 'no ogling girls' is on any of them. Here BTW is the POST story, complete with blown-up photo Only a few of the points are visible. Reportedly although he did wander off onto a side issue of arming teachers he didn't do anything egregious. One must always be grateful.

Card from another angle, less fingering, now uploaded on link above:
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Update: We now have a view of more of the card, for those interested (via AP's Carolyn Kaster)


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Wesley J

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Ok, what I want to know is: why is there the number '45' on his left cuff? Was it photoshopped so that journos know whom we're talking about?

The number seems there as well in the first, blurry WaPo pic. Strange.

But, lo and behold, what do I spy just now with my wee little eye? - It has been noticed before, such as in the infamous Daily Mail, UK. (Note: some images on the newspaper website possibly NSFW; 2-click rule applied via TinyURL preview.)

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[...] President has custom made shirts with '45' embroidered on the cuff
Vanity? Or forgetfulness?

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Well, yes - maybe my language was somewhat immoderate.

[Votive] for those enduring this time of madness and folly.

Immoderate? Ya think? You seemed to have gotten past this kind of comment.
[Roll Eyes]

The votive is appreciated, but...

To other non-American people who share his "And you still persist in having this lunatic as your head of state?" perspective:

As I've said, many times, when someone makes this kind of crack:

Keeping in mind "legal, non-violent, and ethical" (and I might be willing to bend re ethical): what do you think we can and should do, that we haven't tried, that will actually **WORK**?

Don't forget we have a different government, constitution, history, and culture than other countries. And no, a parliament is not the answer here.

ISTM that anyone who looks at a desperately troubled country, and asks residents (in anger or sarcasm) why the country still has troubles and why the leader is still in office should take a long, hard look at their own country's present and past. When was *their* country troubled and messed up? How would they have reacted if outsiders made snarky comments and assumed the problems could just be *fixed*??

Grrrrr.

We in the UK are in non position to criticise or mock the current state of the US. our country is currently split from top to bottom by a vainglorious, quixotic attempt to turn the clock back / rebirth of our long-suppressed patriotic spirit (depending on your POV).

Meanwhile our employers are packing their tents and stealing away and our public services are falling apart.

At least Trump is time-limited.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

ISTM that anyone who looks at a desperately troubled country, and asks residents (in anger or sarcasm) why the country still has troubles and why the leader is still in office should take a long

I think the benefit of an outside perspective is usually that it can highlight things those inside the situation have difficulty seeing - less the case in this thread given the political sympathies of most who are posting.

The downside is that solutions thought up by those outside are usually naïve and take no heed of why the situation occurred to start with.

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Shirt cuffs embroidered with '45' - why? Can someone tell an ignorant Brit please. Would it be 45 as in 'Colt 45'?

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45th president.

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45th President? [Hell comment deleted]

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4.5 inches the size of his you-know-what.

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To Ohher, Golden Key, and others offended by my earlier puerile comments, I apologise unreservedly.

I shall take more thought and care in future - as you rightly imply, 'Physician, heal thyself'.

IJ

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

ISTM that anyone who looks at a desperately troubled country, and asks residents (in anger or sarcasm) why the country still has troubles and why the leader is still in office should take a long

I think the benefit of an outside perspective is usually that it can highlight things those inside the situation have difficulty seeing - less the case in this thread given the political sympathies of most who are posting..
I don't need an outsider to tell me tha were in deep doggie doo, and neither do most Americans. We know. We know. We're embarrassed. We're terrified. We're helpless and frustrated. So you're not telling us anything we don't already know

But I do find it helpful. When you're being systematically gaslghted it IS helpful to hear from an objective observer, "no, this is not normal, you're not crazy, and this is not OK". It's sorta like being in the Dr Phil show

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As an American, I wish the whole world would rise up and make it absolutely clear that far from "make America great again," America has fallen into the deepest cesspool that can be dug and is going to stay there so long as do-nothing Congresses and shit-for-morals Presidents continue to be elected. Maybe then, at last, someone will listen and something will get done for the better.

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quote:
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Shirt cuffs embroidered with '45' - why? Can someone tell an ignorant Brit please. Would it be 45 as in 'Colt 45'?

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
45th president.

45th presidency. 44th president, unless you consider Grover Cleveland to be two people.

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4.5 inches the size of his you-know-what.

Dreadful. You come right here and sit by me.

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hosting/

It has been pointed out by a host, here, that the normal use of Hell is ranting and that of Purgatory is serious discussion, and that a Hell thread is available on this topic.

Nobody expects there to be no overlap at all, but in view of this post and the reaction it generated, plus the ongoing innuendo in the post immediately before this one, this is a warning that persistent posting not in the spirit of serious discussion and contrary to this hostly reminder will attract further hostly attention, and potentially admin attention.

If you want to engage in wordplay, insults, and innuendo to attack and belittle your least favourite politician, do it on the Hell thread. Don't do it here.

If you want to dispute this policy, please visit the Styx.


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As I said earlier, apologies tendered, and, now, Hostly admonition read and understood.

I think I forgot where I was......

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Eirenist:
Shirt cuffs embroidered with '45' - why? Can someone tell an ignorant Brit please. Would it be 45 as in 'Colt 45'?

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
45th president.

45th presidency. 44th president, unless you consider Grover Cleveland to be two people.

You will note that he also famously restricts the number of twitter accounts he follows to 45.

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I guess he might be unwilling to have another go, but do I take it that there is no reason in law why Barack Obama should not try for the Presidency again in due course? He'd still be only about 60, come the next election, no?

(Michelle would doubtless instigate divorce proceedings, though, come to think of it...).

IJ

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No, he is ineligible. No one may be elected President for more than two terms.

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O, I see. Is that something introduced since President Cleveland's time?

Shame - it's an intriguing prospect. The Return of the King, and the start of a New Age.

IJ

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Sorry - should have Googled first. I gather Cleveland served two four-year terms, non-consecutively, so I now understand what Miss Amanda said.

I got rather carried away with a bit of a fantasy, I guess, though I don't doubt a lot of US Shipmates might like to see Barack back in the White House...

IJ

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quote:
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O, I see. Is that something introduced since President Cleveland's time?

Shame - it's an intriguing prospect. The Return of the King, and the start of a New Age.

IJ

The Twenty-Second Amendment. It was pretty much a reaction to Franklin Roosevelt's four consecutive elections to the presidency. Prior to that it had been an unbroken tradition (a "norm", if you will) that no one held the presidency for more than two terms. There were a few attempts to break this precedent prior to FDR, most famously by his distant cousin Theodore who ran as a third party candidate in 1912. If Teddy Roosevelt had succeeded as the Bull Moose candidate it would have been his third term as president, but only his second election to that office. Teddy's first term as president started six months into McKinley's second term upon the assassination of the latter.

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Thank you for the clarification.

One only hopes that t's four-year term (should he complete it) is his only term.

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Blogger David Anderson (who usually blogs about the minutiæ of American health insurance) makes this interesting observation:

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Kids who are entering high school will have their political memories formed by the contrast of Trump and Obama. Just think about that for a while.
An American high school freshman is typically 14 years old at the beginning of the academic year. That would have made this year's freshmen 5 years old when Obama was elected. Anything prior to that is stuff they learned in history class, not their own lived experience.

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I have hopes of living long enough to vote for one of those high school students from Florida. (Since I won't be living in FL this will mean she will have to be running for national office.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Blogger David Anderson (who usually blogs about the minutiæ of American health insurance) makes this interesting observation:

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Kids who are entering high school will have their political memories formed by the contrast of Trump and Obama. Just think about that for a while.
An American high school freshman is typically 14 years old at the beginning of the academic year. That would have made this year's freshmen 5 years old when Obama was elected. Anything prior to that is stuff they learned in history class, not their own lived experience.
But the kid was nine through twelve during Obama's second term- time enough to get some impressions of him.

[ 22. February 2018, 21:39: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]

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BF--

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
To Ohher, Golden Key, and others offended by my earlier puerile comments, I apologise unreservedly.

I shall take more thought and care in future - as you rightly imply, 'Physician, heal thyself'.

Thank you.

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More indictments came down this afternoon for Manaforte and Gates. Money laundering etc. The charges are related to their activities before they joined the Trump campaign-- but the fact that it has to do with their Ukrainian activities is adding even more shade on a shady situation.

Lord, I hope Mueller has top notch security detail.

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Originally posted by cliffdweller:

Lord, I hope Mueller has top notch security detail.

I'm sure he does. And I'm also sure he has back-up copies of everything in a secure place.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
To Ohher, Golden Key, and others offended by my earlier puerile comments, I apologise unreservedly.

I shall take more thought and care in future - as you rightly imply, 'Physician, heal thyself'.

IJ

Thank you.

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quote:
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Lord, I hope Mueller has top notch security detail.

And bullet-proof clothing, a Taser, and a wearable emergency button.

[Votive]

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Lord, I hope Mueller has top notch security detail.

And bullet-proof clothing, a Taser, and a wearable emergency button.

[Votive]

So we hope the same for him as we do the average high school kid then?

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Good point, although what he really needs is an antidote to polonium-210, reputedly Putin's weapon of choice.

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When you're being systematically gaslighted it IS helpful to hear from an objective observer, "no, this is not normal, you're not crazy, and this is not OK". It's sorta like being in the Dr Phil show

Hmmmm.

Hmmmm.

Dr. Phil show. Guests: T and the top levels of his administration, in person. With Dr. Phil turning his trademark amazed outrage, blunt correction, and Texas twang/dialect on full blast.

Any T family issues would be saved for a future episode.
[Two face]

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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
More indictments came down this afternoon for Manaforte and Gates. Money laundering etc. The charges are related to their activities before they joined the Trump campaign-- but the fact that it has to do with their Ukrainian activities is adding even more shade on a shady situation.

Lord, I hope Mueller has top notch security detail.

It’s all starting to look like an episode from McMafia [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
When you're being systematically gaslighted it IS helpful to hear from an objective observer, "no, this is not normal, you're not crazy, and this is not OK". It's sorta like being in the Dr Phil show

Hmmmm.

Hmmmm.

Dr. Phil show. Guests: T and the top levels of his administration, in person. With Dr. Phil turning his trademark amazed outrage, blunt correction, and Texas twang/dialect on full blast.

Any T family issues would be saved for a future episode.
[Two face]

of "Keeping up with the Kardashians". I'm finding it harder and harder to tell the difference.

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quote:
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O, I see. Is that something introduced since President Cleveland's time?

Shame - it's an intriguing prospect. The Return of the King, and the start of a New Age.

IJ

The Republicans changed the rules because they were sick to death of FDR beating them! ISTR there was some coy discussion of changing the rules back when Reagan was in his pomp and then the Iran-Contra thing happened, and that died a death.

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My recollection is that George the Taller had a really weak bladder when he was VP.

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Paul Manafort is the target on the way to a bigger target. What does he know about the Trump-Russia connection, and will he turn?

Cherchez l'argent (look for the money). Plus, I guess, the motivation for any obstruction of justice.

Mueller is going to keep on digging. Unless he is stopped.

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