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Washington Post reported that because of the recent heat wave in England, schoolboys have taken to wearing skirts to school. Apparently, some schools have policies forbidding the wearing of shorts except for physical education, so the boys asked to borrow skirts from their girlfriends or sisters.

According to the article, the schools have had to allow this, but one boy was sent home because the skirt was too short and a number of the boys were told to shave their legs (which a few did).

Not only has this happened in England, but I understand some male bus drivers in France took to wearing skirts after they were told they could not wear shorts at work. The French bus company I now relaxed their rules.

Maybe this is the start of a new trend!

I know if I am assigned outside work I can wear shorts, but if I am assigned inside work I will have to wear what is allowed for inside work. Trousers or a skirt.

Problem is, I don't know how to wear a skirt properly. I would probably wear shorts with a skirt over them if I had to resort to that.

I know Europe has had a heat wave this past couple of weeks. The Southwestern US has also been hit hard. Hopefully, things will break soon.

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You can get short full shorts that look like a skirt. (The neologism for these items is 'skort'.) There is nothing particularly much to managing a skirt, particularly if you continue to wear boxers or briefs underneath them -- I am wearing a skirt as I type this. I would not go commando unless you have lots of practice. And you should probably eschew somersaults or handsprings.

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We're loving this story in our school (which is in the same city as the skirt wearers). We had this a few years ago and have proper Bermuda shorts as part of the uniform and we did have one lad who wore a skirt as normal dress - it takes all sorts.
It doesn't extend to staff who have been sweltering, because it's not professional enough! Several of us have photos of military No1 and No2 uniform with shorts to disprove this. Female staff have been wandering round in sun dresses for days though, so some of us are thinking of joining in!

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The Utilikilts company might help. They have practical, pocketed kilts for everyday wear. I think they're in Seattle.

Their kilts are expensive, but they might be of inspiration. There may be other similar companies, and maybe sewing patterns.

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In fashion, kilts (without any tartan) and skirts for men look pretty much the same, but if you call it a kilt it seems masculine, more masculine than pants or shorts in some instances. This makes no sense to me. Who cares what anyone of any gender wears?

The cooler one feels in one's clothing, the more money and energy/fuel saved on air conditioning, btw. That's why many government offices in India have banned wearing ties in the summer.

[ 23. June 2017, 00:58: Message edited by: stonespring ]

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Guardian article on the first post.

We went the opposite in our final two years of high (secondary) school. The "cool" kids decided shorts were out and trousers in, even on 40C+ days, so we like sheeple followed.

In my current job I wore shorts for the first time to work in summer [at a uni; in environmentally friendly mud hut buildings]. It was comfortable.

[edit: can't spell hut apparently]

[ 23. June 2017, 01:25: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
You can get short full shorts that look like a skirt. (The neologism for these items is 'skort'.) There is nothing particularly much to managing a skirt, particularly if you continue to wear boxers or briefs underneath them -- I am wearing a skirt as I type this. I would not go commando unless you have lots of practice. And you should probably eschew somersaults or handsprings.

Here in Australia more and more primary schools appear to provide a shorts or skort uniform option for girls, and a good thing too.

It is incredible that some little girls still have to wear uniform dresses, which inhibit activities such as swinging on monkey bars (assuming that such apparatus still exists, and hasn't been outlawed by OHS authorities).

As for males, when we were visiting the UK and its offshore continent last year, we were interested to come across a few young men in black kilts in England and France.

I haven't seen any here yet, but perhaps I need to get out more.

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I thought English men just rolled up their trouser legs and put a hankie on their head in the summer.

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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Guardian article on the first post.


I think they look great [Big Grin]

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It is now half a century since I was part of this argument in one of Sydney's academically-selective high schools. I had injured my knee and was unable to wear long trousers, so wore grey shorts and long grey socks to school [as our exchange students from Mt Roskill in NZ were permitted to, it being part of their home uniform]. After a terse interview with the deputy principal as to my breach of uniform rules, I was permitted to continue on medical grounds, but the rule was changed before summer heat hit, and uniform shorts and long socks were permitted. So I was very surprised to see such a dispute, especially when temperatures are as high as reported and students are attempting to learn in classrooms without cooling.
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Of course here in the States we have generally limited school dress codes, which leads to the common sight of teenage boys waiting for the school bus in near-freezing temperatures wearing shorts and pretending to be too tough to notice.

There is a joke that goes around that I generally find to be true: no matter how cold it is, somewhere there's a white guy in shorts.

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The last time we had heat waves like this, back in the 70s, one of my fellow pupils was sent home for coming into afternoon lessons wearing a girl's gym skirt rather than his school uniform trousers. He argued he was wearing uniform - it was someone's PE kit he'd borrowed, but it didn't wash.

That was back when we girls had summer dresses as a uniform option as well as the blouse, blazer and grey skirt of winter, which many of us wore all year round. But we used to complain in winter when we were not allowed to wear trousers. Particularly because it was the same time as the fuel crisis, the heating was off and we were really cold.

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When I was at school, younger boys wore short trousers, and older boys wore long trousers, regardless of the time of year.

Trouser length was thus a symbol of status.

Our one concession to summer was that we were permitted to remove our jackets, and roll up our shirt sleeves.

[ 23. June 2017, 18:41: Message edited by: Leorning Cniht ]

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I don't understand why folk are allergic to shorts. Or on what basis a school can require anyone to shave their legs regardless of gender or attire.

Come to that I don't understand why males making a point don't just wear a kilt, sarong or thobe.

(Or you could throw on a light weight cassock.)

[ 23. June 2017, 18:43: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:

Come to that I don't understand why males making a point don't just wear a kilt, sarong or thobe.

To that particular point, the boys were wearing school uniform skirts. I very much doubt that the school uniform includes either a kilt, a sarong, or a thobe.

The school uniform does not permit shorts, but does include a uniform skirt. So...

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I am guessing it included black or grey trousers, to which I would argue a different black or grey garment would be a reasonable alternative - or a white thobe with a uniform tie - "it's just a shirt Miss"

[ 23. June 2017, 19:02: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]

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There does seem to be a particular species of headteacher who will refuse a pupil an afternoon off for his grandmother's funeral but send him home for his hair being a mm too short.

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Yeah. "There must be order!" said Uncle Karl, as he threw the last plate against the wall." (Apologies re the original in German, whose author I now don't recall.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
I am guessing it included black or grey trousers, to which I would argue a different black or grey garment would be a reasonable alternative - or a white thobe with a uniform tie - "it's just a shirt Miss"

I think you're quite purposefully not grasping the meaning of the word "uniform" [Big Grin] And if you wanted to get away with a thobe being "just a shirt", you'd find yourself sent home for forgetting to put your trousers on.

(In particular, a garment that wasn't made from the same fabric as the school trousers would likely be a different shade, and would stick out from a mile away. Even a generic white shirt might have a noticeably different collar.)

(In general, I can see the arguments for a school uniform, and I can see the arguments for not having a school uniform. I don't understand uniforms-that-aren't-uniform at all.)

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Sorry: friend Google ascribes the original to Erich Kastner as "Ordnung muss sein!" sagte Onkel Karl, und schmiss die lezte Teller an die Wand.

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As to uniforms and the yoof, isn't it a fairly pointless exercise?

Their developmental stage virtually requires anybody between 10 and 18 to rebel against school-issued dress codes and uniforms. Leave them to their own devices, and they will impose even more rigid "uniforms" on themselves. Even at age 18, when they show up in freshman comp, you can hardly tell them apart. Everybody wears jeans, flip-flops, and T-shirts; all the girls have long hair parted in the middle, and all the guys have a flop of hair that hangs over one eye (or specs lens). They even have the same names: I'm teaching a tiny summer class of 8 students with two Andrews, two Matts, and two Lindsays.

We're three weeks in and I still don't know who's who.

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I'm sure I read this same story about a different school last year. It's not really that original. It's mostly a battle of wills, with the school needing to save face and not be seen to be browbeaten by the children.

My local junior school reacted to a boy wearing the girls' cotton summer dress (and arguing for equality between the sexes) by removing the dress option entirely - so, far from making summer more bearable for the boys (who could wear grey shorts), he made it less comfortable for the girls. Curses! But I'm sure the school/governors felt that they'd won the war.

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....which does sack-all for teaching children how to grow into sensible adults.
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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
When I was at school, younger boys wore short trousers, and older boys wore long trousers, regardless of the time of year.

Trouser length was thus a symbol of status.

When I was at school (and the rules remained the same when Dlet was there) boys in Prep school wore grey woollen shorts in winter, and khaki in summer. The summer shorts remained in Senior school, but in winter grey wool trousers were the uniform. Final year boys were allowed wear trousers all year round, thus demonstrating status in summer.

The other main rule was that blazers and boaters had to be worn to/from school, and in my day, full uniform as well. By Dlet's time there was some relaxation - once we were dining at a local restaurant and saw a group of senior boys wearing the required boater and blazer, with wet board shorts as the only other visible clothing; on their way home from swimming practice via the chicken shop.

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The Utilikilts company might help. They have practical, pocketed kilts for everyday wear. I think they're in Seattle.

I see men in these around here with some regularity. I wouldn't say it is common, but it isn't surprising or unusual either. In fact, my cashier in the local bookshop was wearing one today.

I wish more women's skirts were made like this. Pockets! I need pockets! I would love to be able to go about regularly without my purse, but finding women's garments with substantial pockets is next to impossible.

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I wish more women's skirts were made like this. Pockets! I need pockets! I would love to be able to go about regularly without my purse, but finding women's garments with substantial pockets is next to impossible.

What you need is a sporran.
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Originally posted by Wulfia:
I wish more women's skirts were made like this. Pockets! I need pockets! I would love to be able to go about regularly without my purse, but finding women's garments with substantial pockets is next to impossible.

What you need is a sporran.
*googles sporran*

Yes! That is exactly what I need!

Only a plain one. I don't think the bossman would approve of me wandering about the office in horsehair or badger.

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I suppose a fanny pack is less romantic. In the past pockets were separate from garments, tying on underneath your skirts and petticoats. They were accessed through a placket in the side seams.

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Couple of points

For those of you who recollect your summer uniform many years ago, you did not have the type of heatwave your grandchildren are experiencing now.

Where I work I have to wear slacks. Fortunately, it is air conditioned so it is survivable. However, I asked my boss today if there was any prohibition for males to wear skirts. He said nope, and he (encouraged) me to do so. I chickened out. I said I don't have legs for a skirt.

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quote:
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I suppose a fanny pack is less romantic. In the past pockets were separate from garments, tying on underneath your skirts and petticoats. They were accessed through a placket in the side seams.

Sometimes, Renaissance and craft fair vendors have very pretty waist/hip packs. Etsy might, too.

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As to uniforms and the yoof, isn't it a fairly pointless exercise?

Their developmental stage virtually requires anybody between 10 and 18 to rebel against school-issued dress codes and uniforms. Leave them to their own devices, and they will impose even more rigid "uniforms" on themselves. Even at age 18, when they show up in freshman comp, you can hardly tell them apart. Everybody wears jeans, flip-flops, and T-shirts; all the girls have long hair parted in the middle, and all the guys have a flop of hair that hangs over one eye (or specs lens). They even have the same names: I'm teaching a tiny summer class of 8 students with two Andrews, two Matts, and two Lindsays.

We're three weeks in and I still don't know who's who.

Uniforms are there precisely for rebellion. Children will look for boundaries. If they are kicking against school uniform they are not kicking against other things which matter far more. Children will always find the walls - they need to know their limits, behaviour wise. We don't want the only walls they find to be prison walls.

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Couple of points

For those of you who recollect your summer uniform many years ago, you did not have the type of heatwave your grandchildren are experiencing now.


1976. That was a proper summer. We wore shorts all the time though.

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I suppose a fanny pack

That never stops being funny for us in the UK

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I suppose a fanny pack

That never stops being funny for us in the UK
Schoolboy double entendre...if a more enjoyable form of humour exists (which I doubt) then I haven't heard of it, and I don't want to.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Couple of points

For those of you who recollect your summer uniform many years ago, you did not have the type of heatwave your grandchildren are experiencing now.


1976. That was a proper summer. We wore shorts all the time though.
You bet. I worked on a building site for three months and that cured me of any notion of the dignity of physical labour.

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