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Source: (consider it) Thread: Locus, focus and hocus pocus
Nick Tamen

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I wouldn't presume to tell a Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim that I understand their religion better than they do themselves.

And that I have never done.
I fully accept that you have not done so intentionally. But it is indeed how a number of your posts have come across.

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Gamaliel
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And I still think you have misrepresented what I actually said.

I'd also be lying if I said I thought otherwise.

Like Nick Tamen though I am prepared to accept that you didn't intend to.

But I know what I wrote and what I meant and you have misrepresented it.

That doesn't mean I've fallen out with you but it does mean that I want to put the record straight.

You.have.misrepresented.me.

Is that clear?

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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
It's got nothing to do with deference, Tortuf. It's about presumption.

I wouldn't presume to tell a Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim that I understand their religion better than they do themselves.

It's got nothing to do with denying lilBuddha the right to comment.

FWIW: Some people, looking at a religion, find it important to hold the practitioners to the teachings of the religion. As in, "When I read your sacred texts, my understanding is that your Deity/deity/Teacher taught you must do A, B, and C. But most of you don't seem to do them. Why is that? is the religion's map accurate and worth following?"

ISTM that's what lilBuddha is doing: Taking her understanding of Christianity and experience of Christians, and applying it.

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mousethief

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That's well and good, Golden Key, if we were referring to things we DO -- moral/ethical teachings we fall short of. It makes perfect sense for an "outsider" to hold us accountable for our ethics/morality.

We're talking about how things fit together metaphysically. It makes no sense to hold someone accountable to metaphysics.

However if someone says "you can't believe that because you believe this," and someone tells them that they do not find them incompatible, and then the outsider DOUBLES DOWN and tells the Christian they're not allowed to follow certain metaphysical paths ...

It's rude, at the very very least.

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Gamaliel
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Yes, I agree with Mousethief.

I'm not 'upset' or 'offended' by lilBuddha's comments, just surprised that she hasn't apparently seen how they could come across - 'I know more about your religion than you do and what you are saying is incompatible with it ...'

I'd have had no issue and we'd not be having this conversation if she'd have said, 'Now that's interesting, it seems at odds with what my understanding of Christianity has been. Can you explain?'

Instead it's been, 'No, you daft 'apporths, you've completely got the wrong end of the stick ...'

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It's me age, but where did lB sin in telling me what my metaphysicals are?

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