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Chorister

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Knowing God is rather tricky as we are all rather good at making God in our own image. Probably if we were ever to really meet God himself, the majority of us would be rather surprised.

And it's not enough to say Know Jesus instead - even his disciples, who presumably saw him daily, realised that he was full of surprises and therefore not very easy to pin down. How much harder for us, when there is a gap of 2,000 years and only limited writings?

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Nick Tamen

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't see why it's either/or. Love is a profound subjective experience, and love occurs when certain electro-chemical signalling in the brain kicks off. But then it's no different from other experiences, is it? Unless you believe there are experiences which are not generated in the brain.

With one caveat, I’d agree. That caveat is the word “generated.” Plenty of experiences are not generated in the brain, but they are perceived and processed in or through the brain. It is our reactions and responses to those experiences that are generated in the brain.

That said, I also would say that understanding the neurological functions involved in the emotion we call “love” is not the same as saying we understand love.

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RdrEmCofE
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And it's not enough to say Know Jesus instead - even his disciples, who presumably saw him daily, realised that he was full of surprises and therefore not very easy to pin down. How much harder for us, when there is a gap of 2,000 years and only limited writings?
According to the testimony of John, Jesus knew full well that his disciples had not really known him.

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If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
The inference seems to be that even his own disciples had not known him on earth, but that the possibility of 'knowing him' started, for disciples, at the Last Supper in the recollections of the disciples, enlightened by The Holy Spirit. So 'seeing' is only the beginning of 'knowing'.

So I guess Jesus would be very aware also of OUR difficulty, us having never even actually 'seen' him.

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Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.


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Tortuf
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Originally posted by Unum Solum:
What can I do to know you?

I can do nothing, for in my weakness and blindness I equate doing with effort, and effort is a different language to knowing, to relationship. . . .

I don’t understand any of this!

Let me highly recommend Jonathan Livingston Seagull.
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