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Pigwidgeon

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The previous thread on Fred Phelps has disappeared into the sunset (I wish Fred would do the same). But, no, he's still around:
Outrage as Westboro ******* plans praise gathering outside Sandy Hook Elementary school to celebrate God 'executing his judgement' in horrific shooting rampage that killed 20 children and 6 adults
[Mad] [Mad] [Mad]


[Westboro again]

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The dark haired young Phelpsian in the foreground of the pic does at least seem to be hanging her head. Maybe this will finally provoke a mass exodus.

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I am getting sick and tired of them trying to turn every fucking event in the world to being about them. They are a disgrace to the name church, which is quite an achievement, given the fucked up state that so many churches are in.

I would suggest that they should all burn in hell, but the truth is, I suspect that they already are. You cannot be so hate-filled without being dead inside. The tragedy is that they are right - those who deny God will be in hell. The problem is that this applies to them, not to others.

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My preference would be that they should not be interviewed or reported on, their posters should not be published and they should not be seen or heard on TV or radio. Treat them in RL as we treat trolls here.

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I hope Westboro choose the same time that President Obama is there to join families in a vigil. I think the President's security will know how to deal with them.

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Oh good lord. I suppose it was inevitable that they'd show up, too much publicity to be had to not.

They must rejoice every time some atrocity happens. Doesn't the skewed morality of that ever occur to them?

[ 16. December 2012, 17:07: Message edited by: Nicolemr ]

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Dear Lord, this almost makes me weep. How can they be so out of touch with reality?

[Votive] again for the people of Newton

[Votive] for the people of WBC, that their eyes might be opened to the love of God.

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This description"
"Westboro Baptist Church, an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church" from the linked article struck me as an interesting description of this hate-filled group. It offered a little hope that some people at least could differentiate between the antics of the WBC and the vast majority of Christian Churches.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolemr:
They must rejoice every time some atrocity happens.

I think they say so themselves explicitly. I've never heard anyone ask if they will also rejoice in their own misfortunes or the misfortunes of their loved ones using the same warped theological justification that they use to rejoice in everyone else's misfortunes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolemr:
Oh good lord. I suppose it was inevitable that they'd show up, too much publicity to be had to not.

They must rejoice every time some atrocity happens. Doesn't the skewed morality of that ever occur to them?

They're ghouls. Feeding off the misery of others. I don't use this word lightly but spiritually I think they're satanic (in the sense of a form of ultimate evil). And I'm sure they equally feed off the hate they generate towards themselves.

The physical disgust I feel about this worries me because I think it might mean I'm giving them more importance and significance than they deserve. But I can't help it.

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quote:
Originally posted by anne:
This description"
"Westboro Baptist Church, an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church" from the linked article struck me as an interesting description of this hate-filled group. It offered a little hope that some people at least could differentiate between the antics of the WBC and the vast majority of Christian Churches.

anne

That's from the Daily Mail, a reactionary conservative (and Conservative) UK newspaper. Credit to them (for once) for an accurate description but it looks like they are trying to set as much distance between their point of view and that of the Phelpsians.

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On the basis that many homophobes are secretly gay, I'm still waiting for Fred to be caught doing 'an immoral act' in a cottage (UK slang. US equivalent = 'tea room'.)

There is, however, an irony in posting about the Phelps family in Hell, given that is where they believe most of us are going to end up.

[ 16. December 2012, 18:30: Message edited by: leo ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
My preference would be that they should not be interviewed or reported on, their posters should not be published and they should not be seen or heard on TV or radio. Treat them in RL as we treat trolls here.

Can we send this comment to the American press?

I think Sioni is right, they are a group of attention whores and they show nothing of God's love. A friend of ours was put right off God by someone a bit like this - following the Aberfan disater, he went to church and heard a sermon as to how the disaster was a judgement from God.
He now comes to church regularly, mainly because of the love shown in our little fellowship. He wouldn't openly call himself a Christian, but he certainly hears the Gospel each week.

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quote:
Originally posted by anne:
This description"Westboro Baptist Church, an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church" from the linked article struck me as an interesting description of this hate-filled group. It offered a little hope that some people at least could differentiate between the antics of the WBC and the vast majority of Christian Churches.

anne

Yes I saw that and thought it was an improvement. I was interested, having not looked at their web site for a while, I checked it out for my blog post, and was amazed at how hate-focused it was. They were rejoicing in their hatred. They even have a page on biblical quotes about Gods hatred. They have affiliated sites including "godhatestheworld".

If you ask anyone the core quality of God, it is "love". That is very simplistic, but very true, and vitally important. They seem to have exchanged this for "GodHatesEverything".

It is sad, in that this outpouring of hatred cannot indicate happiness or satisfaction inside. They are filled with hate, and that is not a good sign of mental stability.

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I think there are two options...either they haven't read 1 John, or they think they're the ones hated by the world. Shiver.
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Is Mike Huckabee part of this odious cult? Or are there other such hate groups out there?

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Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.

This guy was a contender for president of your country?

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Anonymous has hacked their website and posted personal information about the Westboro members.

Inquisitor article

Note - linked article does not contain said personal information, just info on the hacking.

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Having had these monsters show up at Gay events, the solution w as to turn them into a fund raiser for the event they were protesting. Get people to pledge x$ an hour for every they picket to some form of what they picket.

Other than than that I'm hoping for some large celebrations when Phelps goes to his reward in the afterlife.

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Is Mike Huckabee part of this odious cult? Or are there other such hate groups out there?

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Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.

This guy was a contender for president of your country?
I see you missed the Republican Primary Season.
He's not a member of that cult, but is horrible in his own way. He gets lots of support from the Christian Right in their demands to make this a Christian Nation.

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Phelps Sr may go soon, but what of it? His spawn and theirs survive to carry on his message. Not to mention other fruitcakes who buy into their "religion" or support them financially.
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it does seem that there are a few other individuals who have such vile views, but they are individuals. WBC is an organisation that teaches these to others, and calls itself a "church" to give itself some credibility.

There are always individual nutters, but organised hatred is so much worse.

Given time, I think as the leaders die off, the "church" will die. But that may take a long time.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kyzyl:
Anonymous has hacked their website and posted personal information about the Westboro members.

Inquisitor article

Note - linked article does not contain said personal information, just info on the hacking.

More here including Anonymous's declaration (via further link)

[ 16. December 2012, 22:22: Message edited by: HughWillRidmee ]

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Interesting. I wonder how successful Anonymous will be.
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I've just been criticised on Facebum for "hating them back" in choosing to voice my opinions about WBC's behaviour in response to a friend's post about same.

In a moment of pause and self-reflection, I wondered whether my agitator is, in fact, correct; am I perpetuating a culture of hate by expressing a strong opinion against this sect?

And then I remembered that they are dickwaddick fuckheads who need to be castrated, both in word and in deed.

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Git'em, Anonymous!

And thank you lovely minions, for not putting the Ship in the way of WBC's notorious litigiousness. We'll let Anonymous take the risk. Bless them.

At the moment, I love youse guys.

The moment will pass.

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quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Phelps Sr may go soon, but what of it? His spawn and theirs survive to carry on his message. Not to mention other fruitcakes who buy into their "religion" or support them financially.

Actually they do not accept outside donations.

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News reports here usually will also clarify that WBC is not affiliated with any Baptist denomination in the US, and occasionally mention that the membership consists entire of the Phelps clan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Interesting. I wonder how successful Anonymous will be.

Personally I wonder when Anonymous will stop being a bunch of reckless vigilantes. YMMV.

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Phelps and his hate-filled utterances have always been repugnant, but this absolutely takes the biscuit. He's well-known to be a malevolent, homophobic twat, who seems to regard homosexuals, particularly murdered ones, as fair game.

But children in an infant school? How can even someone with as warped a mind as his find anything to rejoice about in the cold-blooded killing of six- and seven-year-olds?

How dare he and his cohorts call themselves a "church"? [Mad]

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The Westboro folks are like cafeteria Christians who don't "pick and choose" their spiritual nourishment from the lean meat, sweet fruit, and brightly colored veggies of scripture, but dumpster dive for rotten offal and moldy text packages past their sell dates.

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quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Phelps Sr may go soon, but what of it?

Good excuse for a fireworks display and a rave party outside his funeral? [Yipee]

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quote:
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But children in an infant school? How can even someone with as warped a mind as his find anything to rejoice about in the cold-blooded killing of six- and seven-year-olds?

You're missing the point. Their protests are all about generating heat in return, in the hope that someone will break the law on response so that they can sue them. It's how they make their money. From that point of view protesting after this tragedy is gold dust...

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mdijon
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
The Westboro folks are like cafeteria Christians who don't "pick and choose" their spiritual nourishment from the lean meat, sweet fruit, and brightly colored veggies of scripture, but dumpster dive for rotten offal and moldy text packages past their sell dates.

I remember hearing one of the Phelpses asked for their view on "For God so loved the world..." and they immediately responded that the verse was being taken out of context and twisted. It was really quite clear that God hated the world.

Marvin, I don't think that is their game. I think they are hooked on attention, but I don't think they have anything so material or logical in their rationale for that need.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mullygrub:
I've just been criticised on Facebum for "hating them back" in choosing to voice my opinions about WBC's behaviour in response to a friend's post about same.

In a moment of pause and self-reflection, I wondered whether my agitator is, in fact, correct; am I perpetuating a culture of hate by expressing a strong opinion against this sect?

And then I remembered that they are dickwaddick fuckheads who need to be castrated, both in word and in deed.

I think, to be honest, there is a danger of hatred being shown back to them. However, most of what I see is disowning of them, and anger at their mistaken and warped presentation of Christianity, not hatred.

The more offensive they are, the further away from any form of acceptance they get. Which suits their purposes completely, as they see themselves as a persecuted group.

It is not their position that homosexuality is wrong that I have a problem with. I disagree with this, but I know others who hold similar positions who I can accept perfectly OK. It is the fact that they spew their vile hatred of everyone and everything. It makes the KKK seem moderate.

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I echo Schroedinger's Cat and add that it is their utterly crooked theology which angers me so much.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
The Westboro folks are like cafeteria Christians who don't "pick and choose" their spiritual nourishment from the lean meat, sweet fruit, and brightly colored veggies of scripture, but dumpster dive for rotten offal and moldy text packages past their sell dates.

I remember hearing one of the Phelpses asked for their view on "For God so loved the world..." and they immediately responded that the verse was being taken out of context and twisted. It was really quite clear that God hated the world.

Twisted like
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It's so tough to choose, but I think #28 may be my favourite.

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I agree with Meg the Red:
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It's so tough to choose, but I think #28 may be my favourite.

It's nice to have God clear this up in person.

Obviously here are many, many reasons why people can't stand the Westboro Baptist Church! Sometimes I think that Christian hard-line conservatives hate them with special intensity because the Westboro message reads as an reductio ad absurdum, amounting to a grotesque loud-mouth parody, of a certain kind of Bible-based fundamentalism that is actually often heard here in the U.S., though usually expressed more genteely.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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How about James Dobson. He sounds like someone from this wacko churcho no no.

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And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us.



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quote:
Originally posted by Meg the Red:
It's so tough to choose, but I think #28 may be my favourite.

We've been over this before, but I can't take my eyes off #22.

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Uh, yeah, that Phred is an asshole all right.

(Semi-- seriously, I keep finding my thoughts drawn to the younger members of WBC-- I am praying the cheerful creativity they see will be a witness to them. No shit, I am.)

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Re mental stability of Fred:

Fred's mentally ill, and very abusive to his family. Some of his offspring have escaped. A son who did has written about how sick the family is.

Strangely, Fred was a civil rights attorney, once upon a time. I wonder what happened.

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
How about James Dobson. He sounds like someone from this wacko churcho no no.

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And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us.


I wonder if it has occurred to Dobson that The Lord God Almighty might get mad with him? Wrath and vengeance are His, and are not to be tossed around by quasi-political demagogues with a theology infested with intolerance.

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re mental stability of Fred:

Fred's mentally ill, and very abusive to his family. Some of his offspring have escaped. A son who did has written about how sick the family is.


Just... pray for the offspring. I'm just saying. Dear God.

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
How about James Dobson. He sounds like someone from this wacko churcho no no.

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James Dobson
And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us.


"We"? Who's this "we"?

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Dobson sees himself as a spokesman for the nation. He means the people of America IMO. Does he speak for America? No.

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A figment of his imagination. His own feelings of guilt and inadequacy projected onto the rest of the world. Nasty.

ETA: Interestingly, stating this sort of weird concepts, the most hardcore so-called evangelicals seem not dissimilar to hardcore RCs - a thought which they would deny in the strongest terms.

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I'd be interested in knowing just how you arrived at your last sentence, buddy. Possibly from ignorance.
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I'd be interested in knowing just how you arrived at your last sentence, buddy. Possibly from ignorance.

I expect fire and brimstone is the same in any denomination. Some of the words differ, but it's the same beast albeit with a different person holding the leash.

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I wasn't asking you.

Fire and brimstone is certainly not part of my Catholicism, nor that of any other Catholics that I know.

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Neither is it part of my Evangelicalism.

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