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Originally posted by Golden Key:
IMHO, the best chance of the church breaking up (or at least slowing down) will be when Fred dies.
That *could* revitalize the group, of course. But, given that family members keep escaping, maybe the remaining folks will be tired when Fred dies, and take a break.
Perhaps he'll rise again 3 days later
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Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
IMHO, the best chance of the church breaking up (or at least slowing down) will be when Fred dies.
That *could* revitalize the group, of course. But, given that family members keep escaping, maybe the remaining folks will be tired when Fred dies, and take a break.
Perhaps he'll rise again 3 days later
Maybe someone would have to see how immortal he is then....
I agree that when he dies, the group will probably start to break up. He is the personality that keeps it together, and without him, more will drift off, I suspect.
There may also be a power struggle of sorts, which are always good for killing churches. I suspect there might be a more extreme micro group from it, claiming the continuity, but I don't think they will be able to survive long.
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Penny S
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All those lawyers working out who has the estate.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
IMHO, the best chance of the church breaking up (or at least slowing down) will be when Fred dies.
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I wonder how many groups/people would decide to picket his funeral?
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What an excellent idea. Organize a Ship-meet around it?
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I've wondered about that. ISTM that the best way would be to either *not* protest; or be there in a compassionate way. E.g., help the grieving family in practical ways, bring baked goods, hold up signs proclaiming God's forgiveness and mercy. Maybe the angel protestors could be there.
That would make a better point than any angry protest.
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Porridge
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I was thinking along the lines of picketing. Maybe carrying signs like, "God bless everybody. No exceptions."
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Sioni Sais
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Bumped to ensure retention.
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Originally posted by duchess:
I really hate seeing the kidlets holding up the sign. Just heartbreaking.
Are there possible grounds for the local social services agency removing the children due to the Phelps' being unfit parents?
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Nicolemr
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The self described "sleaziest punk band in the world", Get Shot, has just shot a 2 minute porn film on the lawn of Freddie's place.
Story here with link to Get Shot's web page
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Originally posted by TonyK:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
IMHO, the best chance of the church breaking up (or at least slowing down) will be when Fred dies.
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I wonder how many groups/people would decide to picket his funeral?
I plan to party... publically.
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I believe there was discussion of the mother of all shipmeets when that day comes to pass.
oops. as was mentioned just a few posts up. Hopefully Phred will wait until I have enough cash to travel.
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I can imagine some lively exchanges of views should they turn up. Mind you, they're banned from the UK, so they may have to wait until Independence day.
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Yas: proudly standing in the ranks of those hated by WBC.
I would pay money to see a WBC picket over here (were they allowed to sully our hallowed shores).
God bless Glasgow.
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Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
They're having a busy week.
It really has just got to the point where it's a stupid, sick game of "ooh, what connection can we draw this time?"
And it's all just for the media, and the media plays along.
There's going to be a special place in Hell for this lot, and the punishment will be to just be left in a room somewhere and completely ignored.
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I think the problem is that WBC hates people.
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Have they threatened to demonstrate at Nelson Mandelas funeral yet? I am sure they will, because they hate people, especially good people.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Have they threatened to demonstrate at Nelson Mandelas funeral yet? I am sure they will, because they hate people, especially good people.
I doubt they will. In South Africa they won't be afforded the same level of protection as they receive in the US. They may well be harmed.
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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
The self described "sleaziest punk band in the world", Get Shot, has just shot a 2 minute porn film on the lawn of Freddie's place.
Odd to read that. When I was there last month you'd had have to scale a formidable fence to get on the lawn. And you just might get shot before you could get out. ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Anyway: I conclude Fred, in his own way, is good for business.
Shrug.
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comet
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your link gives me a broken image, moron.
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Works for me, without incantations, evil one.
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comet
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I see. it's a plot to keep me out.
I might have to picket.
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
I see. it's a plot to keep me out.
I might have to picket.
It'll never get well if . . .
Just in case others can't vieww moron's link, it's to pictures of the WBC compound and "Freedom House", opposite.
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Schroedinger's cat
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Well they have posted that Mandela is in Hell, because they know, of course.
No indication that they are intending to picket yet, but give it time.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by deano:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Have they threatened to demonstrate at Nelson Mandelas funeral yet? I am sure they will, because they hate people, especially good people.
I doubt they will. In South Africa they won't be afforded the same level of protection as they receive in the US. They may well be harmed.
I'm watching the memorial now. Huge attendance. Much of the crowd is behaving more like it's a football game than a memorial. (E.g. interrupting speakers, trying to get on camera, etc.) And I don't mean the joyful way that people are celebrating Mandela's life.
That having been said, the crowd's somewhat volatile. Adding the Fred Church to the mix could be dangerous, indeed.
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moron
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Just in case others can't vieww moron's link, it's to pictures of the WBC compound and "Equality House", opposite.
Fixed that for you - don't mention it.
Those guys HAVE to have a sense of humour. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Welease Woderwick
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Reportedly Fred Phelps is near death and has been kicked out of his own church!
Presumably there will be more news soon.
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Schroedinger's cat
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I don't know if others have seen this story. It seems that Fred Phelps is dying, but also that he has been excommunicated from his own church.
All I can say is that WBC is continuing to cause pain and damage to the Phelps family, as well as others. I do wonder what will happen as and when he dies, although by throwing him out of the church, they may have been pre-empting this.
It seems, once again, that they are putting their perverse beliefs of hatred above all reasonable normal interests.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I don't know if others have seen this story. It seems that Fred Phelps is dying, but also that he has been excommunicated from his own church.
All I can say is that WBC is continuing to cause pain and damage to the Phelps family, as well as others. I do wonder what will happen as and when he dies, although by throwing him out of the church, they may have been pre-empting this.
It seems, once again, that they are putting their perverse beliefs of hatred above all reasonable normal interests.
So one has to ask ... will they picket his funeral?
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Dear Lord. It seems impossible.
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Ariston
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So here's the thing I'm wondering: he's been shunned, but they're still protecting him from non-churchmembers, treating him as if he were one of their own? Maybe it's just the latest game of Mafia wearing off on me (wanted terrorists of the world, watch out—you're next!), but there's something a bit suspicious about WBC protecting someone they've shunned. Of course, all those comments about "we have no leader but Christ" and indications that the Church has had a preaching and leadership rota lately makes me wonder the issue isn't doctrinal, but rather a power grab. Perhaps Rev. Phelps asserted his leadership too forcefully for the congregation's liking, perhaps someone decided it was just time for a change, perhaps it just made sense to have a decentralized structure to avoid having anyone who could talk to the outside world, but I somehow doubt that WBC would cover for and protect someone they had really and truly cut ties with and excluded on doctrinal grounds.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Ariston:
and indications that the Church has had a preaching and leadership rota lately makes me wonder the issue isn't doctrinal, but rather a power grab.
Or perhaps, rather than a power grab, it is an attempt to invest the group identity in the group rather than one person.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Ariston:
and indications that the Church has had a preaching and leadership rota lately makes me wonder the issue isn't doctrinal, but rather a power grab.
Or perhaps, rather than a power grab, it is an attempt to invest the group identity in the group rather than one person.
Which, if that one person is about to go, would make sense.
Pity it had to be done via excommunication, though. I guess that, in the face of all contrary evidence, there's a part of me that would still hope for better.
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I presume it is a power game. They are trying to control events and other people, as usual.
It may well be that Fred is already dead, but they are keeping the news to themselves until there is a new leader and power structure in place.
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Well, one scenario where they COULD both excommunicate him and 'protect' him is if he repented of his previous views. Because PR disasters don't come much bigger than your figurehead realising he's been horribly wrong all these years.
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New leader?
Shirley, it's surely?
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I read one suggestion that if he does die soon, that as many christians as possible picket his funeral with placards saying "God loves you" and preaching a gospel of forgiveness.
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Originally posted by TheAlethiophile:
I read one suggestion that if he does die soon, that as many christians as possible picket his funeral with placards saying "God loves you" and preaching a gospel of forgiveness.
That crossed my mind, too-- this would be a great opportunity to show grace.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by TheAlethiophile:
I read one suggestion that if he does die soon, that as many christians as possible picket his funeral with placards saying "God loves you" and preaching a gospel of forgiveness.
That crossed my mind, too-- this would be a great opportunity to show grace.
When it happens it will certainly put the WBC in a quandary. I reckon there will be a quiet, nay secret funeral, and it may already have taken place.
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Funny. There was a time when I would have rejoiced in his passing. To my mind, he was the embodiment of everything wrong with religion.
Frankly, he probably was and probably still is.
Now, I hope that he finds the love that God has waiting for him and that he is able to show that love to the members of Westboro Baptist Church.
As to excommunication, heaven only knows if it happened, or why it happened. Looking for a rational reason for any actions from that group is a waste of time.
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It is probably uncharitable of me to speculate. But I can think of one very obvious reason why Fred Phelps might be a) excommunicate and b) near death in a hospice with unspecified health problems.
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Wow. Perhaps they should have put out a pamphlet. Dozens Living Will Never Die.
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
To my mind, he was the embodiment of everything wrong with religion.
Frankly, he probably was and probably still is.
He is. He has preached hatred in the name of Christ for many years. He has encouraged many others to preach his message of hatred too.
His message, and the message of all who follow his idea is vile, loathsome, and obnoxious. The church system and organisation do represent all that is wrong in religion. They epitomise bad religion, bad belief, bad Christianity.
But they are still people. From all I have seen in the last few years, I suspect that many of them see the suffering they cause within their community, but have nowhere else to go, because they are brainwashed into believing that the Westboro way is the only way.
So in the end, I feel deeply and passionately sorry for them. They are trapped in their own belief system, which tells them that there is no salvation outside, so they cannot explore outside. Leaving is a big jump.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Gwai:
Considering that the church apparently considers that t they will not die but go straight up to heaven, I wouldn't infer anything if they are suspicious of a dying man.
Ah! Of course they excommunicated him, it makes sense now. He is dying, the righteous don't die, he's no longer in good with God.
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Schrodinger's cat: quote:
So in the end, I feel deeply and passionately sorry for them. They are trapped in their own belief system, which tells them that there is no salvation outside, so they cannot explore outside. Leaving is a big jump.
It amazes me how narrow some people think the "narrow gate" is. In all God's creation they are the only ones who have it right? One church. Really?
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