homepage
  roll on christmas  
click here to find out more about ship of fools click here to sign up for the ship of fools newsletter click here to support ship of fools
community the mystery worshipper gadgets for god caption competition foolishness features ship stuff
discussion boards live chat cafe avatars frequently-asked questions the ten commandments gallery private boards register for the boards
 
Ship of Fools


Post new thread  Post a reply
My profile login | Register | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home
   - Printer-friendly view Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
» Ship of Fools   » Community discussion   » Hell   » Fod Hates Gags! The Westboro thread (Page 6)

 - Email this page to a friend or enemy.  
Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 
 
Source: (consider it) Thread: Fod Hates Gags! The Westboro thread
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Hell for Fred will be arriving in heaven and finding himself surrounded by loving and forgiving LGBTQ folks.

--------------------
“Religion doesn't fuck up people, people fuck up religion.”—lilBuddha

Posts: 63112 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
passer

Indigo
# 13329

 - Posted      Profile for passer   Email passer   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
If there is a God, he clearly had a purpose for Fred Phelps, which was to show just how repulsive his ideas about man and God really are, and to warn us off them. But mostly, Phelps has damaged the credibility of any sort of God.
Interesting piece.


Posts: 1271 | From: Sheffield | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

 - Posted      Profile for Kelly Alves   Email Kelly Alves   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Also from the article:
quote:
This is a man who not only preached hatred, but successfully spread it, more among his enemies than among those he thought his friends.
Hm. [Frown]

--------------------
"Take your broken heart, make it into art"-- Carrie Fisher (1956-2016)

Posts: 35053 | From: Pura Californiana | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Hell for Fred will be arriving in heaven and finding himself surrounded by loving and forgiving LGBTQ folks.

I've long thought it would be appropriate if God presented herself as a beautiful drag queen--just long enough to make a point.

OTOH, that might be more than he could handle. So I'll personally settle for him opening up, healing up, and healing what he did.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17978 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Not you passer, but what an absurd quote. The credibility of my God is enhanced in polarization to Phelp's projection.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 16893 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
seekingsister
Shipmate
# 17707

 - Posted      Profile for seekingsister   Email seekingsister   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I am loathe to defend the man but it is being reported that he was kicked out because he "reportedly called for 'kinder treatment of fellow church members,' a sentiment which was ill-received."

Huffington Post

Posts: 1371 | From: London | Registered: May 2013  |  IP: Logged
orfeo

Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878

 - Posted      Profile for orfeo   Author's homepage   Email orfeo   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Well, if he's created a church where kindness is seen as a bad thing, I'd say that's very much a case of reaping what he himself sowed.

--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.

Posts: 18049 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17978 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Well, if he's created a church where kindness is seen as a bad thing, I'd say that's very much a case of reaping what he himself sowed.

Karma is, indeed, a bitch.

--------------------
“Religion doesn't fuck up people, people fuck up religion.”—lilBuddha

Posts: 63112 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

 - Posted      Profile for Kelly Alves   Email Kelly Alves   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

Very well done.

--------------------
"Take your broken heart, make it into art"-- Carrie Fisher (1956-2016)

Posts: 35053 | From: Pura Californiana | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Mere Nick
Shipmate
# 11827

 - Posted      Profile for Mere Nick     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
As I understand it, Phelps and much of his family are all lawyers and they try their dead level best to piss folks off then sue them if they overreact.

--------------------
"Well that's it, boys. I've been redeemed. The preacher's done warshed away all my sins and transgressions. It's the straight and narrow from here on out, and heaven everlasting's my reward."
Delmar O'Donnell

Posts: 2797 | From: West Carolina | Registered: Sep 2006  |  IP: Logged
orfeo

Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878

 - Posted      Profile for orfeo   Author's homepage   Email orfeo   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

Very well done.
The reference to Jonah is genius.

--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.

Posts: 18049 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008  |  IP: Logged
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713

 - Posted      Profile for Sioni Sais   Email Sioni Sais   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
As I understand it, Phelps and much of his family are all lawyers and they try their dead level best to piss folks off then sue them if they overreact.

Mere Nick speaks wisely.

--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"

(Paul Sinha, BBC)

Posts: 24004 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
passer

Indigo
# 13329

 - Posted      Profile for passer   Email passer   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
They're probably watching this thread assiduously so that they can back-trace every comment and then issue an international court order to force the site owner to hand over the admin logs so that they can reverse engineer the registration process to uncover the ip address from which the offending poster originally registered and then seek to establish the actual real-life identity of that individual so that they can sue the ass off them. Because that would be potentially far more profitable to them than going after any of the multitude of mainstream news and blog sites whose readership runs into millions - yeah, bollocks to going after the rich folks, let's get someone from an obscure group of god-squadders. ffs.


Posts: 1271 | From: Sheffield | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

 - Posted      Profile for Pigwidgeon   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
He's gone.
[Votive]

--------------------
Don't keep calm. Go change the world.

Posts: 9454 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
deano
princess
# 12063

 - Posted      Profile for deano   Email deano   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
So now he knows...

--------------------
"The moral high ground is slowly being bombed to oblivion. " - Supermatelot

Posts: 2118 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: Nov 2006  |  IP: Logged
JeffTL
Apprentice
# 16722

 - Posted      Profile for JeffTL   Email JeffTL   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The humane thing to do, obviously, is to offer Mass and other prayers for his repose. I am not in a position to judge souls obviously, but my personal speculation - which is admittedly rather optimistic - is that Pastor Phelps just found out that Purgatory is not only the name of a message board.
Posts: 48 | From: Chicago | Registered: Oct 2011  |  IP: Logged
Palimpsest
Shipmate
# 16772

 - Posted      Profile for Palimpsest   Email Palimpsest   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
It amazes me how narrow some people think the "narrow gate" is. In all God's creation they are the only ones who have it right? One church. Really?

Is it that uncommon for members of a church to think that only they are the elect? It gets a bit silly when the number of church members becomes vanishingly small, but you can see this in many denominations. My favorite was a church in the US Bible Belt a few years ago that tried to whip up support among members for a conversion campaign. They calculated the number of potential souls to be saved by taking the regional population count for each denomination and multiplied it by the chance that a member of that denomination would go to Hell and summed the results.
Posts: 2980 | From: Seattle WA. US | Registered: Nov 2011  |  IP: Logged
Siegfried
Ship's ferret
# 29

 - Posted      Profile for Siegfried   Author's homepage   Email Siegfried   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Anything we could say about the man pales in comparison to what he now has to justify to his Creator.

--------------------
Siegfried
Life is just a bowl of cherries!

Posts: 5591 | From: Tallahassee, FL USA | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Porridge
Shipmate
# 15405

 - Posted      Profile for Porridge   Email Porridge   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Fred Phelps has died.

Link

--------------------
Spiggott: Everything I've ever told you is a lie, including that.
Moon: Including what?
Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
Moon: That's not true!

Posts: 3925 | From: Upper right corner | Registered: Jan 2010  |  IP: Logged
listener
Apprentice
# 15770

 - Posted      Profile for listener   Email listener   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

[ 20. March 2014, 17:12: Message edited by: listener ]

Posts: 31 | From: Canada | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged
Siegfried
Ship's ferret
# 29

 - Posted      Profile for Siegfried   Author's homepage   Email Siegfried   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by listener:
The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

Probably a wise decision on the part of his "church". It would be a circus.

--------------------
Siegfried
Life is just a bowl of cherries!

Posts: 5591 | From: Tallahassee, FL USA | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
St. Gwladys
Shipmate
# 14504

 - Posted      Profile for St. Gwladys   Email St. Gwladys   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Even though he preached hate, wwe can still feel sadness at the pasing of another human and pity for his family. Lord, have mercy on him.

--------------------
"I say - are you a matelot?"
"Careful what you say sir, we're on board ship here"
From "New York Girls", Steeleye Span, Commoners Crown (Voiced by Peter Sellers)

Posts: 3278 | From: Rhymney Valley, South Wales | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged
Palimpsest
Shipmate
# 16772

 - Posted      Profile for Palimpsest   Email Palimpsest   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I'm glad he's dead. He's spewed more than enough hate and inflicted enough pain on many people while they were simply trying to bury their loved ones and it's good he can't do any more. I believe I have a bottle of champagne reserved for the occasion.

Ironically, by his actions he probably convinced a number of Christians that they were on the wrong of the argument about tolerance of gays. It will be interesting to see how long and how malevolent the church is. I suspect it will continue without him for a while.

Posts: 2980 | From: Seattle WA. US | Registered: Nov 2011  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
And you realize that if that really is the church's doctrine -- that nobody saved is going to die -- then the sect is doomed. One by one, they're going to kick the bucket, preceded by a hasty excommunication, until finally the last surviving member is going to be lying on his/her deathbed.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5668 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

 - Posted      Profile for Kelly Alves   Email Kelly Alves   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
(Deep sigh.)

Well, that's that.

I have been wondering if the folk at Angel Action have made any statements yet. Last I checked, no.

--------------------
"Take your broken heart, make it into art"-- Carrie Fisher (1956-2016)

Posts: 35053 | From: Pura Californiana | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
It amazes me how narrow some people think the "narrow gate" is. In all God's creation they are the only ones who have it right? One church. Really?

Is it that uncommon for members of a church to think that only they are the elect? It gets a bit silly when the number of church members becomes vanishingly small, but you can see this in many denominations. My favorite was a church in the US Bible Belt a few years ago that tried to whip up support among members for a conversion campaign. They calculated the number of potential souls to be saved by taking the regional population count for each denomination and multiplied it by the chance that a member of that denomination would go to Hell and summed the results.
God, I love mathematics.

--------------------
“Religion doesn't fuck up people, people fuck up religion.”—lilBuddha

Posts: 63112 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Doc Tor
Deepest Red
# 9748

 - Posted      Profile for Doc Tor     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by listener:
The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

There's going to have to be something. Pretty sure local ordinances won't let him be taken out with the trash...

--------------------
Forward the New Republic

Posts: 8844 | From: Ultima Thule | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged
Wesley J

Silly Shipmate
# 6075

 - Posted      Profile for Wesley J   Email Wesley J   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I think they could now ship some of the 'God hates fags' signs to the UK. Littering with cigarette butts really is a huge problem, and it's time Christians took a stand.

[ 20. March 2014, 18:58: Message edited by: Wesley J ]

--------------------
Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)

Posts: 7253 | From: The Isles of Silly | Registered: May 2004  |  IP: Logged
Anglican't
Shipmate
# 15292

 - Posted      Profile for Anglican't   Email Anglican't   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
How long, do you think, before we learn of Phelps' Grindr account / Gaydar account / gay porn stash / rent boy / 'close male companion'?
Posts: 3586 | From: London, England | Registered: Nov 2009  |  IP: Logged
ToujoursDan

Ship's prole
# 10578

 - Posted      Profile for ToujoursDan   Email ToujoursDan   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
May he experience the love he tried so hard to deny to others.

[Votive]

--------------------
"Many people say I embarrass them with my humility" - Archbishop Peter Akinola
Facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/toujoursdan

Posts: 3734 | From: NYC | Registered: Oct 2005  |  IP: Logged
Schroedinger's cat

Ship's cool cat
# 64

 - Posted      Profile for Schroedinger's cat   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
How long, do you think, before we learn of Phelps' Grindr account / Gaydar account / gay porn stash / rent boy / 'close male companion'?

While I have no love for Phelps, and I know that many anti-gay campaigners have been found to be closet gays, but I don't actually think this is the case with him (I am well aware that I am so often proved wrong).

I don't think he was secretly gay, I think he was openly bigoted and hateful.

--------------------
Blog
Music for your enjoyment
Lord may all my hard times be healing times
take out this broken heart and renew my mind.

Posts: 18642 | From: At the bottom of a deep dark well. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Dee.
Ship's Theological Acrobat
# 5681

 - Posted      Profile for Dee.   Email Dee.   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Good riddance I say.

Happy to leave him to God to deal with. She will no doubt handle Fred more adeptly than I ever could.

Bye bye Fred, don't let the door hit you on the way out. [Ultra confused]

[ 20. March 2014, 19:57: Message edited by: Dee. ]

--------------------
Jesus - nice bloke, bit religious

Posts: 2679 | From: Under Downunder | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
listener
Apprentice
# 15770

 - Posted      Profile for listener   Email listener   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Having been 'dis-membered' by his church, will he rest in pieces?
Posts: 31 | From: Canada | Registered: Jul 2010  |  IP: Logged
orfeo

Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878

 - Posted      Profile for orfeo   Author's homepage   Email orfeo   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
Even though he preached hate, wwe can still feel sadness at the pasing of another human and pity for his family. Lord, have mercy on him.

He preached hate precisely at the moment when others were feeling sadness at the passing of another human. He felt no pity for their families. He went to the funerals of soldiers and of seemingly quite random people to try and make that time of mourning into a time of extreme unpleasantness.

--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.

Posts: 18049 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008  |  IP: Logged
The Rhythm Methodist
Shipmate
# 17064

 - Posted      Profile for The Rhythm Methodist   Email The Rhythm Methodist   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I mourn the passing of a man who furnished me with numerous opportunities to explain the difference between the love of Christ, and looney-tunes religious fanaticism. The mistaken notion that I would somehow feel obliged to defend this 'fellow Christian" has led to some very positive exchanges.

That said, I think Phelps' position was only a supercharged version of an attitude which is fairly common in many churches. I know a gay guy (who is also an alcoholic) who attends a London church: they told him they would sooner he sorted out his sexuality than his alcoholism, as it needed to be "brought into line with the church's position". I baptized him three months ago, not (as has been unkindly suggested) to "piss-off my denomination", but because he professed faith while on a visit here, and requested baptism. Frankly, I have suggested he finds somewhere else to worship, as I have serious doubts that his faith will flourish in such an environment...but he feels he has a right to be part of the local church, irrespective of their attitude towards him. I can't argue with the logic of that, but I wonder if a church which is so obsessed with extracting the supposed speck from his eye, is really in any place to disciple a new convert.

And for me, this typifies the problem with Phelps and Westboro... the ease with which they can identify and condemn the 'sin' in others, while routinely ignoring their own (sometimes monumental) shortcomings.

Posts: 202 | From: Wales | Registered: Apr 2012  |  IP: Logged
Uncle Pete

Loyaute me lie
# 10422

 - Posted      Profile for Uncle Pete     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Let those of us without sin cast the first stone

--------------------
Even more so than I was before

Posts: 20415 | From: No longer where I was | Registered: Sep 2005  |  IP: Logged
Nicolemr
Shipmate
# 28

 - Posted      Profile for Nicolemr   Author's homepage   Email Nicolemr   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I hope wherever he is now he's healed of the blight in his soul.

--------------------
On pilgrimage in the endless realms of Cyberia, currently traveling by ship. Now with live journal!

Posts: 11657 | From: New York City "The City Carries On" | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
jacobsen

seeker
# 14998

 - Posted      Profile for jacobsen   Email jacobsen   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I wonder whether the surprise he had was pleasant, painful or just downright embarrassing?

--------------------
But God, holding a candle, looks for all who wander, all who search. - Shifra Alon
Beauty fades, dumb is forever-Judge Judy
The man who made time, made plenty.

Posts: 7802 | From: Æbleskiver country | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged
passer

Indigo
# 13329

 - Posted      Profile for passer   Email passer   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Fred Phelps has died.

Link

Damn. Now that he's dead he can't be libelled, but now that he's dead he doesn't matter any more, and is on his way to becoming a historical footnote.

I hope that when this thread eventually withers, it is retained in Limbo as a tribute to the level of ire he succeeded in generating - universally, not just here. There'd be a certain local irony in consigning this nonce to an eternity of isolation and separation from the deity he professed to represent, but whose message he so twisted. Maybe the background muzak might consist of a loop of the Pet Shop Boys, and he could reflect on the possibility that actually, that sentiment might apply to him rather than everyone else. Those "everyone's out of step except me" sorts really do get on my tits.


Posts: 1271 | From: Sheffield | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
deano
princess
# 12063

 - Posted      Profile for deano   Email deano   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
As ever I think the Daily Mash has it spot on...

Vague feeling of emptiness over death of utter lunatic

--------------------
"The moral high ground is slowly being bombed to oblivion. " - Supermatelot

Posts: 2118 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: Nov 2006  |  IP: Logged
St. Stephen the Stoned
Shipmate
# 9841

 - Posted      Profile for St. Stephen the Stoned   Author's homepage   Email St. Stephen the Stoned   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
As ever I think the Daily Mash has it spot on...

Vague feeling of emptiness over death of utter lunatic

I think The Onion is on the mark too.

--------------------
Do you want to see Jesus or don't yer? Well shurrup then!

Posts: 518 | From: Sheffield | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713

 - Posted      Profile for Sioni Sais   Email Sioni Sais   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The Onion has it IMO. I don't think Fred Phelps was in any way psychotic, insane or even deluded. He was, like racists, mysogynists and other bigots, deeply, deeply wrong. He interpreted scripture to serve his own ends and he wasn't alone in that.

I doubt it will silence WBC immediately, but a inner dispute wouldn't surprise me.

--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"

(Paul Sinha, BBC)

Posts: 24004 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
St. Gwladys
Shipmate
# 14504

 - Posted      Profile for St. Gwladys   Email St. Gwladys   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I don't think Fred Phelps was in any way psychotic, insane or even deluded. He was, like racists, mysogynists and other bigots, deeply, deeply wrong. He interpreted scripture to serve his own ends and he wasn't alone in that.


[Overused]

--------------------
"I say - are you a matelot?"
"Careful what you say sir, we're on board ship here"
From "New York Girls", Steeleye Span, Commoners Crown (Voiced by Peter Sellers)

Posts: 3278 | From: Rhymney Valley, South Wales | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged
leo
Shipmate
# 1458

 - Posted      Profile for leo   Author's homepage   Email leo   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
New leader?

Shirley, it's surely?

She's female. If they're so Calvinist and fundamentalist, would they override scripture and allow a woman to preach/teach?

And one of their statements talks about 'man' though says there is no leadership other than Christ's.

--------------------
My Jewish-positive lectionary blog is at http://recognisingjewishrootsinthelectionary.wordpress.com/
My reviews at http://layreadersbookreviews.wordpress.com

Posts: 23064 | From: Bristol | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Ariston
Insane Unicorn
# 10894

 - Posted      Profile for Ariston   Author's homepage   Email Ariston   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
New leader?

Shirley, it's surely?

She's female. If they're so Calvinist and fundamentalist, would they override scripture and allow a woman to preach/teach?

And one of their statements talks about 'man' though says there is no leadership other than Christ's.

You're assuming they've been following Scripture. If they're willing to overlook "love thy neighbor as yourself," I'm pretty sure they can justify overlooking the comparatively paltry details.

--------------------
“Therefore, let it be explained that nowhere are the proprieties quite so strictly enforced as in men’s colleges that invite young women guests, especially over-night visitors in the fraternity houses.” Emily Post, 1937.

Posts: 6831 | From: The People's Republic of Balcones | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged
Firenze

Ordinary decent pagan
# 619

 - Posted      Profile for Firenze     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
With that sort, it's usually the jots and tittles that are the major items.
Posts: 17247 | From: Edinburgh | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
SS--

I don't know what made Fred the way he was. But I think there was mental illness in the works: he used to be a civil rights lawyer. IMHO, you don't make that kind of drastic change unless something goes horribly wrong.


Re Shirley possibly taking the lead:

AIUI, that was nixed in the mess that got Fred excommunicated. The guys won out. Fred said the family should be nicer to each other...which makes me wonder if he defended his daughter.


May Fred be healed and help heal what he did. The same for his family.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?"--Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon"
--"I'm not giving up--and neither should you." --SNL

Posts: 17978 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
leo
Shipmate
# 1458

 - Posted      Profile for leo   Author's homepage   Email leo   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
If they're willing to overlook "love thy neighbor as yourself,"

I suspect they didn't love themselves very much!

--------------------
My Jewish-positive lectionary blog is at http://recognisingjewishrootsinthelectionary.wordpress.com/
My reviews at http://layreadersbookreviews.wordpress.com

Posts: 23064 | From: Bristol | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
SvitlanaV2
Shipmate
# 16967

 - Posted      Profile for SvitlanaV2   Email SvitlanaV2   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Rhythm Methodist:
I think Phelps' position was only a supercharged version of an attitude which is fairly common in many churches. I know a gay guy (who is also an alcoholic) who attends a London church: they told him they would sooner he sorted out his sexuality than his alcoholism, as it needed to be "brought into line with the church's position". I baptized him three months ago, not (as has been unkindly suggested) to "piss-off my denomination", but because he professed faith while on a visit here, and requested baptism. Frankly, I have suggested he finds somewhere else to worship, as I have serious doubts that his faith will flourish in such an environment...but he feels he has a right to be part of the local church, irrespective of their attitude towards him.

This is a tangent, but I can't understand why someone living in London would feel obliged to attend a church whose teachings they disagree with - the place is stuffed with churches of all kinds! The idea that one local church should be suitable for everyone in the vicinity is very outdated in a highly pluralistic urban environment, although it might work in a small homogeneous village.

I'm no fan of Fred Phelps. It was cruel and ridiculous of him to impose his crazy religious beliefs on people who had absolutely no interest in them. But if he and his family wanted to believe those things in the privacy of their own small church, that was their business. I hope the more reasonable churches in the area benefited from the lack of decent competition.

Posts: 6427 | From: UK | Registered: Feb 2012  |  IP: Logged



Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 
 
Post new thread  Post a reply Close thread   Feature thread   Move thread   Delete thread Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
 - Printer-friendly view
Go to:

Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement

© Ship of Fools 2016

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

 
Check out Reform magazine
sip of fools mugs from your favourite nautical website
 
  ship of fools