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mousethief

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Hell for Fred will be arriving in heaven and finding himself surrounded by loving and forgiving LGBTQ folks.

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passer

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If there is a God, he clearly had a purpose for Fred Phelps, which was to show just how repulsive his ideas about man and God really are, and to warn us off them. But mostly, Phelps has damaged the credibility of any sort of God.
Interesting piece.


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Kelly Alves

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Also from the article:
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This is a man who not only preached hatred, but successfully spread it, more among his enemies than among those he thought his friends.
Hm. [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Hell for Fred will be arriving in heaven and finding himself surrounded by loving and forgiving LGBTQ folks.

I've long thought it would be appropriate if God presented herself as a beautiful drag queen--just long enough to make a point.

OTOH, that might be more than he could handle. So I'll personally settle for him opening up, healing up, and healing what he did.

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Not you passer, but what an absurd quote. The credibility of my God is enhanced in polarization to Phelp's projection.

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I am loathe to defend the man but it is being reported that he was kicked out because he "reportedly called for 'kinder treatment of fellow church members,' a sentiment which was ill-received."

Huffington Post

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Well, if he's created a church where kindness is seen as a bad thing, I'd say that's very much a case of reaping what he himself sowed.

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Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Well, if he's created a church where kindness is seen as a bad thing, I'd say that's very much a case of reaping what he himself sowed.

Karma is, indeed, a bitch.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

Very well done.

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As I understand it, Phelps and much of his family are all lawyers and they try their dead level best to piss folks off then sue them if they overreact.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Chris Boeskool has a great "Love Letter To Fred Phelps" on HuffPost. It's honest, blunt, and compassionate.

Very well done.
The reference to Jonah is genius.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
As I understand it, Phelps and much of his family are all lawyers and they try their dead level best to piss folks off then sue them if they overreact.

Mere Nick speaks wisely.

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They're probably watching this thread assiduously so that they can back-trace every comment and then issue an international court order to force the site owner to hand over the admin logs so that they can reverse engineer the registration process to uncover the ip address from which the offending poster originally registered and then seek to establish the actual real-life identity of that individual so that they can sue the ass off them. Because that would be potentially far more profitable to them than going after any of the multitude of mainstream news and blog sites whose readership runs into millions - yeah, bollocks to going after the rich folks, let's get someone from an obscure group of god-squadders. ffs.


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He's gone.
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So now he knows...

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The humane thing to do, obviously, is to offer Mass and other prayers for his repose. I am not in a position to judge souls obviously, but my personal speculation - which is admittedly rather optimistic - is that Pastor Phelps just found out that Purgatory is not only the name of a message board.
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It amazes me how narrow some people think the "narrow gate" is. In all God's creation they are the only ones who have it right? One church. Really?

Is it that uncommon for members of a church to think that only they are the elect? It gets a bit silly when the number of church members becomes vanishingly small, but you can see this in many denominations. My favorite was a church in the US Bible Belt a few years ago that tried to whip up support among members for a conversion campaign. They calculated the number of potential souls to be saved by taking the regional population count for each denomination and multiplied it by the chance that a member of that denomination would go to Hell and summed the results.
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Anything we could say about the man pales in comparison to what he now has to justify to his Creator.

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Fred Phelps has died.

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The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

[ 20. March 2014, 17:12: Message edited by: listener ]

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The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

Probably a wise decision on the part of his "church". It would be a circus.

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Even though he preached hate, wwe can still feel sadness at the pasing of another human and pity for his family. Lord, have mercy on him.

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I'm glad he's dead. He's spewed more than enough hate and inflicted enough pain on many people while they were simply trying to bury their loved ones and it's good he can't do any more. I believe I have a bottle of champagne reserved for the occasion.

Ironically, by his actions he probably convinced a number of Christians that they were on the wrong of the argument about tolerance of gays. It will be interesting to see how long and how malevolent the church is. I suspect it will continue without him for a while.

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And you realize that if that really is the church's doctrine -- that nobody saved is going to die -- then the sect is doomed. One by one, they're going to kick the bucket, preceded by a hasty excommunication, until finally the last surviving member is going to be lying on his/her deathbed.

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Kelly Alves

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(Deep sigh.)

Well, that's that.

I have been wondering if the folk at Angel Action have made any statements yet. Last I checked, no.

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quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
It amazes me how narrow some people think the "narrow gate" is. In all God's creation they are the only ones who have it right? One church. Really?

Is it that uncommon for members of a church to think that only they are the elect? It gets a bit silly when the number of church members becomes vanishingly small, but you can see this in many denominations. My favorite was a church in the US Bible Belt a few years ago that tried to whip up support among members for a conversion campaign. They calculated the number of potential souls to be saved by taking the regional population count for each denomination and multiplied it by the chance that a member of that denomination would go to Hell and summed the results.
God, I love mathematics.

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The Tulsa World reports his passing at age 84. There will be no funeral.

There's going to have to be something. Pretty sure local ordinances won't let him be taken out with the trash...

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I think they could now ship some of the 'God hates fags' signs to the UK. Littering with cigarette butts really is a huge problem, and it's time Christians took a stand.

[ 20. March 2014, 18:58: Message edited by: Wesley J ]

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How long, do you think, before we learn of Phelps' Grindr account / Gaydar account / gay porn stash / rent boy / 'close male companion'?
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May he experience the love he tried so hard to deny to others.

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quote:
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How long, do you think, before we learn of Phelps' Grindr account / Gaydar account / gay porn stash / rent boy / 'close male companion'?

While I have no love for Phelps, and I know that many anti-gay campaigners have been found to be closet gays, but I don't actually think this is the case with him (I am well aware that I am so often proved wrong).

I don't think he was secretly gay, I think he was openly bigoted and hateful.

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Good riddance I say.

Happy to leave him to God to deal with. She will no doubt handle Fred more adeptly than I ever could.

Bye bye Fred, don't let the door hit you on the way out. [Ultra confused]

[ 20. March 2014, 19:57: Message edited by: Dee. ]

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Having been 'dis-membered' by his church, will he rest in pieces?
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
Even though he preached hate, wwe can still feel sadness at the pasing of another human and pity for his family. Lord, have mercy on him.

He preached hate precisely at the moment when others were feeling sadness at the passing of another human. He felt no pity for their families. He went to the funerals of soldiers and of seemingly quite random people to try and make that time of mourning into a time of extreme unpleasantness.

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I mourn the passing of a man who furnished me with numerous opportunities to explain the difference between the love of Christ, and looney-tunes religious fanaticism. The mistaken notion that I would somehow feel obliged to defend this 'fellow Christian" has led to some very positive exchanges.

That said, I think Phelps' position was only a supercharged version of an attitude which is fairly common in many churches. I know a gay guy (who is also an alcoholic) who attends a London church: they told him they would sooner he sorted out his sexuality than his alcoholism, as it needed to be "brought into line with the church's position". I baptized him three months ago, not (as has been unkindly suggested) to "piss-off my denomination", but because he professed faith while on a visit here, and requested baptism. Frankly, I have suggested he finds somewhere else to worship, as I have serious doubts that his faith will flourish in such an environment...but he feels he has a right to be part of the local church, irrespective of their attitude towards him. I can't argue with the logic of that, but I wonder if a church which is so obsessed with extracting the supposed speck from his eye, is really in any place to disciple a new convert.

And for me, this typifies the problem with Phelps and Westboro... the ease with which they can identify and condemn the 'sin' in others, while routinely ignoring their own (sometimes monumental) shortcomings.

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I hope wherever he is now he's healed of the blight in his soul.

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I wonder whether the surprise he had was pleasant, painful or just downright embarrassing?

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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Fred Phelps has died.

Link

Damn. Now that he's dead he can't be libelled, but now that he's dead he doesn't matter any more, and is on his way to becoming a historical footnote.

I hope that when this thread eventually withers, it is retained in Limbo as a tribute to the level of ire he succeeded in generating - universally, not just here. There'd be a certain local irony in consigning this nonce to an eternity of isolation and separation from the deity he professed to represent, but whose message he so twisted. Maybe the background muzak might consist of a loop of the Pet Shop Boys, and he could reflect on the possibility that actually, that sentiment might apply to him rather than everyone else. Those "everyone's out of step except me" sorts really do get on my tits.


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As ever I think the Daily Mash has it spot on...

Vague feeling of emptiness over death of utter lunatic

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As ever I think the Daily Mash has it spot on...

Vague feeling of emptiness over death of utter lunatic

I think The Onion is on the mark too.

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The Onion has it IMO. I don't think Fred Phelps was in any way psychotic, insane or even deluded. He was, like racists, mysogynists and other bigots, deeply, deeply wrong. He interpreted scripture to serve his own ends and he wasn't alone in that.

I doubt it will silence WBC immediately, but a inner dispute wouldn't surprise me.

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quote:
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I don't think Fred Phelps was in any way psychotic, insane or even deluded. He was, like racists, mysogynists and other bigots, deeply, deeply wrong. He interpreted scripture to serve his own ends and he wasn't alone in that.


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New leader?

Shirley, it's surely?

She's female. If they're so Calvinist and fundamentalist, would they override scripture and allow a woman to preach/teach?

And one of their statements talks about 'man' though says there is no leadership other than Christ's.

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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by PeteC:
New leader?

Shirley, it's surely?

She's female. If they're so Calvinist and fundamentalist, would they override scripture and allow a woman to preach/teach?

And one of their statements talks about 'man' though says there is no leadership other than Christ's.

You're assuming they've been following Scripture. If they're willing to overlook "love thy neighbor as yourself," I'm pretty sure they can justify overlooking the comparatively paltry details.

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With that sort, it's usually the jots and tittles that are the major items.
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I don't know what made Fred the way he was. But I think there was mental illness in the works: he used to be a civil rights lawyer. IMHO, you don't make that kind of drastic change unless something goes horribly wrong.


Re Shirley possibly taking the lead:

AIUI, that was nixed in the mess that got Fred excommunicated. The guys won out. Fred said the family should be nicer to each other...which makes me wonder if he defended his daughter.


May Fred be healed and help heal what he did. The same for his family.

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If they're willing to overlook "love thy neighbor as yourself,"

I suspect they didn't love themselves very much!

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Originally posted by The Rhythm Methodist:
I think Phelps' position was only a supercharged version of an attitude which is fairly common in many churches. I know a gay guy (who is also an alcoholic) who attends a London church: they told him they would sooner he sorted out his sexuality than his alcoholism, as it needed to be "brought into line with the church's position". I baptized him three months ago, not (as has been unkindly suggested) to "piss-off my denomination", but because he professed faith while on a visit here, and requested baptism. Frankly, I have suggested he finds somewhere else to worship, as I have serious doubts that his faith will flourish in such an environment...but he feels he has a right to be part of the local church, irrespective of their attitude towards him.

This is a tangent, but I can't understand why someone living in London would feel obliged to attend a church whose teachings they disagree with - the place is stuffed with churches of all kinds! The idea that one local church should be suitable for everyone in the vicinity is very outdated in a highly pluralistic urban environment, although it might work in a small homogeneous village.

I'm no fan of Fred Phelps. It was cruel and ridiculous of him to impose his crazy religious beliefs on people who had absolutely no interest in them. But if he and his family wanted to believe those things in the privacy of their own small church, that was their business. I hope the more reasonable churches in the area benefited from the lack of decent competition.

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