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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:

I have never used MS Office. At present I use OpenOffice - I have never found that I couldn't do what I needed to do.

I have cow-orkers who produce fancy excel spreadsheets with a whole pile of scripting and stuff, and expect me to be able to manipulate them. This forces me to have MS Office available.

Similarly, others expect me to be able to contribute a couple of powerpoint slides to their presentation, and Impress just isn't quite compatible enough.

Office aside, I think everything else I do day-to-day I could do with linux. The last time I seriously considered running linux on my work machine, I needed a set of compiler tools for a particular microprocessor that only existed on Windows, so I couldn't switch then, and I'm now stuck with my existing Windows 7 via inertia.

The machine will become obsolete before Windows 7 stops being supported - I'll see what happens then. A lot of the linux folks around here have gone Mac in the last few years, but I'm not terribly convinced.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Often the location of the problem is Windoze.

And often the problem is the free program. Look, I am not an Office fan. There are many issues with it. But it is the standard. I use Open Office as well as MS Office, and I know which one is more powerful, which one I have fewer issues sharing documents with other people.

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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:

I have never used MS Office. At present I use OpenOffice - I have never found that I couldn't do what I needed to do.

I've never driven a Ferrari, but I'm quite certain my Robin Reliant is just as good.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
What do you need to do that Mint won't? (or another modern Linux distro)

Microsoft Office.

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Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
some incompatibilities between MsOffice and Open Source versions if there is complex formatting.

Bingo.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Whenever someone says that opensource is not as good and they want to pay for something, who wants to quarrel anyway? Let them, they already know everything. Some want real ale, some prefer fizzy koolaid.

Oh please, grow the fuck up. Somebody doesn't agree with you so they're a childish blow-hard. Who's being the know-it-all here? Just you.

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I need to have OpenOffice because people send me stuff in docx and my old version of Windows won't open it.

And I don't do enough stuff in anything to justify the expense of upgrading.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Often the location of the problem is Windoze.

And often the problem is the free program. Look, I am not an Office fan. There are many issues with it. But it is the standard. I use Open Office as well as MS Office, and I know which one is more powerful, which one I have fewer issues sharing documents with other people.

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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:

I have never used MS Office. At present I use OpenOffice - I have never found that I couldn't do what I needed to do.

I've never driven a Ferrari, but I'm quite certain my Robin Reliant is just as good.

But the problem is, MS office isn't a Ferrari, and Open Office/Libre Office isn't a Reliant Robin. It's more like a Vauxhall Insignia v a Ford Mondeo. They are broadly similar, do similar things and in similar ways, but differ slightly in detail. Now I,personally, find Open Office a delight to use when compared with MS office. It's intuitive, with a comprehensible menu structure, and I've never experienced a file which MS Office will open that can't also be opened in Libre Office. (maybe MS Publisher - but I don't think normal Office will open those files either.)

But it's very much horses for courses. My thinking is that the two systems are of equal power, but some will choose one over the other, either way. Are there real practical advantages to MS Office, I'll take your word for it that there are, but I suspect aesthetic preferences have some say in things as well. I quite like the pared-back look of Libre, whilst, to my eyes, Office looks garish and somewhat clever-clever, with a lot of "because we can" about it. YMMV

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
But the problem is, MS office isn't a Ferrari, and Open Office/Libre Office isn't a Reliant Robin.

Hyperbole, but the general point remains.
MS Office is more powerful IME.
Yes, it is also a bit bloated.

I like reasonable choice.
I LOATHE the direction Adobe is going with there lease-only policy. But Photoshop is a superior product to GIMP.
Really don't understand why anyone thinks software should be free. Do they themselves do their own job for free?
It does not then follow that I think rapacious prices and monopolies are then good.

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Mousethief, I like you. But when they requested Office in my office, I priced it out. It was $ 8000 in licence fees. Libre Office cost nil. As a business owner, that's pretty significant. And that wasn't for the whole suite from MS just some of it. So I am fine with being a petulant idiot.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Mousethief, I like you. But when they requested Office in my office, I priced it out. It was $ 8000 in licence fees. Libre Office cost nil. As a business owner, that's pretty significant. And that wasn't for the whole suite from MS just some of it. So I am fine with being a petulant idiot.

I'm not a business owner. I'm a schoolteacher who needs to work with files from the district, and I'm a writer who needs to create print-ready documents for my POD print company. OpenOffice just doesn't cut it. Difference is, I don't go around gratuitously insulting people who don't come to the same conclusions that I do. I may not be the brightest knife in the six-pack, but I'm not nearly stupid enough to go that far.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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The frustration is cost and deliberate Microsoft strategies to fo things with file formats to make alternatives not work. A a teacher, your school or board is paying for the programs via taxes and / or fees. It's not you paying, understood. It looks like free in such situations.

Insulting? It is hell. It is normal here.

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To go back to the original topic;
There was a Windows 10 update that causes endless rebotting When it fails, it reboots and tries to load the update again.

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@ lilBuddha.

I don't think that programs necessarily should be free, but if a free product is available that meets my requirements, and is in some ways superior to the price-inflated product of some vastly wealthy corporation, then that's good in my book. If there is no financial transaction involved, it's a pretty good sign that there is no stash of freshly ground ax(e) heads hidden in the coder's back room.

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
@ lilBuddha.

I don't think that programs necessarily should be free, but if a free product is available that meets my requirements, and is in some ways superior to the price-inflated product of some vastly wealthy corporation, then that's good in my book. If there is no financial transaction involved, it's a pretty good sign that there is no stash of freshly ground ax(e) heads hidden in the coder's back room.

Sorry, the free comment was aimed at no prophet.
If a group wishes to offer a free product that I find useful, I will use it.
And I do think that Apple and Microsoft* price things higher than necessary because they can. But there are smaller companies which produce good software at reasonable prices. That is my preferred setup.

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Insulting? It is hell. It is normal here.

This kind of insulting is also normal among my 13 year old students. That doesn't make it adult.

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quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
To go back to the original topic;
There was a Windows 10 update that causes endless rebotting When it fails, it reboots and tries to load the update again.

That German group Kraftwerk were right all along then: We are the rebotts, dom dom dee-dom.

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I'm more than a bit peeved that we still need to learn new OS versions. It's 2015, where's my robot butler?

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Windows 10 caused our laptop to jam up for a few days. It had a blue band with "catana and start up menu are not working". We couldn't get past it until my computer literate son sorted it.

He reckoned it was the anti-spy - wear not recognising W 10. Odd that it worked for a couple weeks and then rejected it.

Blooming putes, personally I don,t understand them and trust them even less [Paranoid]

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Unknown as to whether this works or is useful if you don't care about it.

"Want Windows 10 to stop tracking you? Now there's an app for that.(The open-source app is available to download for free.)"

Apparently thought by some to be needed because
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Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary.
The link above indicates that you can do some things to prevent your info from being uploaded to Microsoft

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Don’t Use Express Settings During Setup

During installation, Microsoft will encourage you to accept its “express install” defaults. Without exceptions, these defaults will result in the maximum sharing of your information with Microsoft. Instead, select the “custom install” option,



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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Unknown as to whether this works or is useful if you don't care about it.

"Want Windows 10 to stop tracking you? Now there's an app for that.(The open-source app is available to download for free.)"

I got all excited, but I can't run it because it's telling me I can only run it as administrator, and I am already logged in as administrator. [Frown] (But thank you!)

[ 15. August 2015, 19:24: Message edited by: Drifting Star ]

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Drifting Star

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I take that back - I've got it to run. I missed the point that a small but very vital click was 'right' rather than 'left'.

I'll let you know if there's anything to know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
I need to have OpenOffice because people send me stuff in docx and my old version of Windows won't open it.

My version of Word won't open it either. There are sites online that will convert these docxs free of charge for you if upgrading isn't worth it (which it isn't for me and I don't want the version with the ribbon anyway).
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An interesting article says that Even when set to not communicate Microsoft still phones home with Windows 10
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quote:
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My version of Word won't open it either.

Have you downloaded the free Office 7 conversion tool from Microsoft? I'm happily running Office 2003 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Access all in the 2003 versions) with the conversion tool, and it hasn't yet encountered an uplevel file it can't open. Well, OK, one or two Word 2010 files, but happily they can be opened just fine in Wordpad.

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Tails 1.5.1 has been released. Suitable for the paranoid.

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Tails won't help if you have a Lenovo computer: Lenovo caught installing immortal crapware

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Tails won't help if you have a Lenovo computer: Lenovo caught installing immortal crapware

That report implies it is software for Windows that Lenovo add? If that is the case, you presumably nullify it by using any Linux distro?
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Pfft - Microsoft's lack of online privacy is nothing compared to what happens in their physical stores.

The other day I went into one of their shops and, although I had tried to protect my anonymity by means of a black mask over my face, I was horrified to realise that the shop assistants could still watch all of my movements throughout the shop, down to the level of which aisle I walked down and what products I looked at. They refused point-blank to blindfold themselves and when I tried to brute-force them to clear their memory cache by means of a lump hammer, I was bundled into the back of a police van by some overzealous security hardware.

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[Killing me]

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Tails won't help if you have a Lenovo computer: Lenovo caught installing immortal crapware
TomM
That report implies it is software for Windows that Lenovo add? If that is the case, you presumably nullify it by using any Linux distro?

Linux definitely will not run these programmes.

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The touchpad on my laptop doesn't work properly after downloading Windows 10.
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quote:
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Tails won't help if you have a Lenovo computer: Lenovo caught installing immortal crapware

I thought that was a typo, and you meant "immoral" rather than "immortal". Turns out it meant both.

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It seems to me that Hell is altogether much too nice a place for this discussion. If I had my way there would be a separate board called 'Microsoft'.

It also seems to me, after much observation, that Mac people are happier people, so he who counsels me on matters electronical has been instructed to begin the transformation at his earliest convenience. Before it's too late.

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quote:
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Pfft - Microsoft's lack of online privacy is nothing compared to what happens in their physical stores.

The other day I went into one of their shops and, although I had tried to protect my anonymity by means of a black mask over my face, I was horrified to realise that the shop assistants could still watch all of my movements throughout the shop, down to the level of which aisle I walked down and what products I looked at. They refused point-blank to blindfold themselves and when I tried to brute-force them to clear their memory cache by means of a lump hammer, I was bundled into the back of a police van by some overzealous security hardware.

I'm not sure whether this was purely for laughs or making a point. I'm going to be all bossy and assume the latter, and respond:

When you purchase goods from someone, you don't expect them to follow you home. In fact, most of us understand that the whole reason we are handing over money is to transfer the ownership of the goods - they belonged to the company, now they belong to you.

Certain kinds of businesses don't seem to quite comprehend this, or are trying to change it without us noticing. I notice it most in the world of music, where in fact there's always been a clear argument that the record company is not actually giving you the right to go ahead and make copies, but they're increasingly trying to push ideas that you haven't bought anything at all, you're just renting.

It's happening all over the place, though. Anything electronic in nature and with intangible elements is susceptible.

I actually think it's quite important that consumers push back against this, but I don't have much hope. People seem unaware of the issues until something goes badly wrong (such as when a book was withdrawn from sale, and Amazon unilaterally withdrew it from Kindles whereas anyone who had bought a physical copy wasn't forced to give it up).

One of the worst things is how companies can attempt to stop you from using things you have legitimately bought. There was a landmark court case in Australia some years ago about region coding. It was about Sony Playstation games I think, but the decision has significantly affected other kinds of region coding such as on DVD players.

Sony was trying to sue someone who had created a mod chip that allowed people to play out-of-region games, and they lost in our highest court. Basically, the judges said "you are trying to stop people from using legal software that they have legally bought" and wouldn't have a bar of it.

As a result, I know that a large proportion of DVD players sold in Australia are now multi-region (because it's perfectly legal for people to break the region coding anyway, so why spend extra time putting it on after the player is built in a factor in Japan or Germany or wherever), although they're still usually advertised as if they were Region 4 players.

This is the kind of pushback we need. If I buy something in a legal way, it shouldn't be anyone's business how I use it thereafter. I shouldn't have iTunes telling me I can't listen to music in a different country. I shouldn't have Microsoft or Lenovo insisting on knowing what I use my computer for. Once I've paid the requested price for a working product, that's the end of our relationship except for the limited situation where I approach them because the product is not working as it should.

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quote:
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I shouldn't have Microsoft or Lenovo insisting on knowing what I use my computer for. Once I've paid the requested price for a working product, that's the end of our relationship except for the limited situation where I approach them because the product is not working as it should.

A fine sub-rant, and I philosophically agree with it.

Aside from one tiny technicality: I'm pretty sure that included in the required license agreement that the Warlocks of Redmond are thereby granted exactly that right by every legitimate Windows user. For, you know, reasons.

Which is why it would be nice for such information-gathering "agreements" to be separate entities from the simple purchase of software. With accordingly reciprocations of benefit, probably remunerative.

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If you think Windows 10 is evil for sharing user information with Microsoft, you'll be interested to learn that Microsoft is porting the privacy leaks back to Windows 7 and 8
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Originally posted by RooK:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I shouldn't have Microsoft or Lenovo insisting on knowing what I use my computer for. Once I've paid the requested price for a working product, that's the end of our relationship except for the limited situation where I approach them because the product is not working as it should.

A fine sub-rant, and I philosophically agree with it.

Aside from one tiny technicality: I'm pretty sure that included in the required license agreement that the Warlocks of Redmond are thereby granted exactly that right by every legitimate Windows user. For, you know, reasons.

Which is why it would be nice for such information-gathering "agreements" to be separate entities from the simple purchase of software. With accordingly reciprocations of benefit, probably remunerative.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying, that these sorts of things get put in license agreements and there ought to be a lot more pushback about that sort of thing being in license agreements.

When Microsoft (or anyone else) says that those kinds of features are "helpful", they mean helpful to them - not to me, the person who paid for a product. I've already given as much help to them as I should by filling their wallets. I'm offering them dollars as quid pro quo, not data.

I actually do agree to a fair degree of data-sharing, (and similarly for other companies I often allow them to send newsletters or tell them things they want to know). But it ought to be my choice, and it ought to be easy to say no.

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Originally posted by orfeo:

When you purchase goods from someone, you don't expect them to follow you home.

Yeah, that's another thing. By default our home was set up so that anyone could look in through the windows and see what we were doing. We couldn't just opt out, either - we had to buy and install third-party curtains.

Ok, smart-aleck comments aside, I actually agree with most of your post. The fundamental problem, as I see it, is with companies suddenly discovering and monetising rights that hitherto nobody suspected existed. Previously, beyond the physical copies themselves, the only right that inhered in a book that you could buy and sell was the right to copy it. Then somebody discovered there are rights to play music using specific proprietary software, or in specific regions, that can be granted or withheld.

'Discovered' is of course sarcasm - I think these rights are basically made up. By the same token, though, I suspect the idea that we have an absolute right to privacy and anonymity is also a very recent development. We don't see it invoked to nearly the same degree outside of new technology.

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Actually, I'm living in a RL model of privacy issues. The place was designed with green spaces for leisure, such as children's play, with the backs of the houses overlooking them. To enable this, there were low fences and hedges that could be looked over from the houses. The fences and hedges are now 6ft, in some cases, higher - the home owners won't let the gardeners cut them. "I don't want people looking in my windows" said - or shouted - with aggression. (That the green spaces are little used, and certainly not by Peeping Toms, is irrelevant, and maybe they think that people behind their net curtains in the homes opposite are looking.) So there's an example of non-technology related concerns about privacy.

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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
The touchpad on my laptop doesn't work properly after downloading Windows 10.

Same here, and it got worse after the latest W10 update.

However, I have just downloaded the most recent touchpad driver from my laptop manufacturer's website, and all seems to be well again. [Big Grin]

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Microsoft is downloading windows10 on to your confuser even if you didn't opt in.

Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'

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...despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10... had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request....isn't this a bit presumptuous on Microsoft's part?


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That article is seriously scarey/irritating. I've switched off automatic updates - don't know why it was on. And warned my friend who's on 8.1.
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I willingly and knowingly downloaded and installed Windows 10 and my broadband usage for that month was, on a conservative estimate, 13-14 GB higher than normal. Not a problem for me because we have an unlimited package, but that could have been a nasty surprise - even more so if it had been downloaded covertly.

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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
The touchpad on my laptop doesn't work properly after downloading Windows 10.

Same here, and it got worse after the latest W10 update.

However, I have just downloaded the most recent touchpad driver from my laptop manufacturer's website, and all seems to be well again. [Big Grin]

Good to hear. I'll try that too.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
That article is seriously scarey/irritating. I've switched off automatic updates - don't know why it was on. And warned my friend who's on 8.1.

I did the same.

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Sorted friend's machine, which only had one of the naughty updates in the update box, and none actually installed. Made sure my replacement 8.1 hybrid is set up properly.

And I'm going to check the update setting regularly.

It has interested me how many possible email and account names have been barred to me - all based on ideas such as "Nobody", "Notanaccount". There are lots of people determined not to let the Google/MS hackers have a handle on them.

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Often the location of the problem is Windoze.

And often the problem is the free program. Look, I am not an Office fan. There are many issues with it. But it is the standard. I use Open Office as well as MS Office, and I know which one is more powerful, which one I have fewer issues sharing documents with other people.

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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:

I have never used MS Office. At present I use OpenOffice - I have never found that I couldn't do what I needed to do.

I've never driven a Ferrari, but I'm quite certain my Robin Reliant is just as good.

Reliant fucking Robin. Unless you also refer to Mondeo Fords and A3 Audis.

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More spyware stuff it appears on a particular brand of windows PCs:
Lenovo caught with pre-installed tracking application for the third time

My question is that if one computer vendor is infiltrating windows computers with such things, are we certain that others aren't, and may be are just better at doing it?

I would want a packet filter on any windows computer I used, but I don't use windows except for a GPS map program, and it's winXP in a virtualizer (winXP runs like a program within Linux) and it doesn't have access to the internet.

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I've just had to reinstall Firefox on my tablet, as Bing had established itself on the new tab screen, and the Blazer thing had got itself back on the computer. The first download I did brought a lot of other stuff with it, as well. It may have asked, but it was on a very tiny window in very tiny writing.
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Originally posted by Moo:
Just this morning my computer has started showing pop-ups urging me to install Windows 10 free. I have Windows 7, and I'm getting along just fine.

I wonder why they want me to change.

Moo

I wouldn't, if I had 7. As it was, I had Windows Fail - sorry, 8 - and 10 seems at least better so far, if only because I'm a mouse-driven dinosaur.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Reliant fucking Robin. Unless you also refer to Mondeo Fords and A3 Audis.

Oh, piss off and your lawn isn't worth walking across anyway.

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Well if you can't be pedantic and bang on about the pointless little things that annoy you in Hell where the fuck can you?

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