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alienfromzog

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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The Government is beginning to bottle it under the premise of reflection.

Who will they give into next? Doctors, Education .... any prizes for the next one in the list?

Respect can't get any lower

Except they're being very devious. The details on Academy schools seems like they're gonna force them by defunding LEAs.

Apparently Hunt wanted the BMA to sign up to a written guarantee that they would move on particular things and recommend any deal to the membership. Basically, again trying to paint doctors as being unreasonable...

So, watch and wait, all is not what it seems...

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The Government has backed down on the policy of forcing all schools to become academies and have made a concession on this year's SATs. But there's a very long way to go in unpicking some of the varying hoops that schools are expected to leap through. (The new OFSTED guidelines are impossible to inspect as all the aspects are so interlinked.)

This Government started on education years ago, imposing a range of rules that state schools must follow and making academisation attractive. Academies do not have to follow the same requirements as state schools and are outside the control of local authorities. Continuing to push privatisation of education by these means allows Multi-Academy Trusts to redistribute funds and in theory cuts the costs of education overall. This is against reservations about the multi-academy trusts which are not all providing a good education for disadvantaged students: OFSTED report March 2016 (pdf), Sutton Trust report, Chain Effects (pdf), Sutton Trust press release Headline: 3/4 academy chains have coasting schools, the best are providing a good education, but there are concerns about the majority.

It also allows for-profit organisations to run education, even the good academy chains are commercial. Harris Academies were set up by Lord Harris, as in the carpet magnate and ARK Academies were founded by hedge financiers to provide high returns on philanthropic investment according to Wiki. This system is open to abuse. I can't verify it, but there's a story that one such for-profit chain took over a school, ran it down and then sold the land and building for redevelopment.

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Despite all the u-turns, people keep saying labour isn't an effective opposition under Corbyn - imagine what they could do if half the parliamentary party stopped stabbing him in the back.

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From the BMJ:
Editorial "The weekend effect: now you see it, now you don’t"
There is an excellent summary of how the evidence does not support a Weekend Effect and then this final paragraph.

The most interesting question, however, is how, in the face of what we now know, the Department of Health can still insist that doctors in training must accept a new contract to address any weekend effect? One possibility is that the department has an ulterior motive, viewing the failure of contract negotiations as a means to achieve local pay bargaining. Another is that ministers are simply displaying a range of cognitive biases that collectively prevent any admission of error or the learning and change of direction that should follow. Arguably, this is the next question that researchers might turn to, taking their cue from the World Bank, which has set the standard for learning organisations to aspire to.

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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
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It also allows for-profit organisations to run education, even the good academy chains are commercial. Harris Academies were set up by Lord Harris, as in the carpet magnate and ARK Academies were founded by hedge financiers to provide high returns on philanthropic investment according to Wiki. This system is open to abuse. I can't verify it, but there's a story that one such for-profit chain took over a school, ran it down and then sold the land and building for redevelopment.

Didn't Mel Brooks make a film with not so dissimilar a plot? I'm sure this could turn and kick them in the teeth.

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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
So, watch and wait, all is not what it seems...

This seems like a bit of an anti-climax. On the face of it this deal could have been reached 9 months ago. There's almost nothing worth remarking on in it.

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I'll take an anti-climax. What we don't know yet is what kind of deal it is. The devil is very much in the details.

Will find out next week. Don't expect doctors to vote to accept if it's a bad deal.

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Doctors have voted No.

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This must be free-floating desire to express anger at the establishment rather than a sober assessment of the best way forward given the facts.

Hmmm. Sounds familiar.

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quote:
Originally posted by mdijon:
This must be free-floating desire to express anger at the establishment rather than a sober assessment of the best way forward given the facts.

Hmmm. Sounds familiar.

Ummm, no.

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