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Kelly Alves
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i guess what is bothering me is that in the discussion of the American perps and sustainers of the problem, there should be some sort of reference to the fact that the victims of each of these tragedies are in fact American.
Do you not see how we might be getting scared? Wondering if we are next? How we might see the victims of each of these tragedies as more representative of actual Americans than the perps? And exactly the version of America that gun culture is trying to kill?
as for Bond (and Guy Ritchie, and Jason Stratham) --- yeah. There's this primal addiction that Western culture seems to have that defines a person's significance by how much control they have over other people, and the ultimate expressions of that are rape and murder. The unique problem of the US is having this cockamamie combination of second amendment phraseology and pioneer expansion land grab/ stake techniques that we are only now beginning to really define-- forget untangling, for the moment.That mess we have just fertilizes the already wrongheaded, evil definition of power Western Civilization has been infected with.
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Kelly Alves
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I just got a gigantic box of biscuits from a parent, Doc Tor, so I'm afraid the Cosmos does not agree with you.
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Kelly Alves
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And lilb-- sorry if I singled you out in my rant, but you have that handicap of being someone who seems to actually tries to listen-- orfeo, too, which is why it's tempting to get in your specific faces.
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TomM
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Guns are used to protect lives and property all the time, and not just in the US.
Citations? You position has limited or no support.
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So 10 examples. Against how many hundreds of incidents? And that's before we comment on the relationship between these anecdotes and evidence. Or the fact that the article acknowledges how more than one of them was when the person intervening was trained to use a gun in live fire combat.
I'm not sure it makes a great case.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
i guess what is bothering me is that in the discussion of the American perps and sustainers of the problem, there should be some sort of reference to the fact that the victims of each of these tragedies are in fact American.
Do you not see how we might be getting scared? Wondering if we are next? How we might see the victims of each of these tragedies as more representative of actual Americans than the perps? And exactly the version of America that gun culture is trying to kill?
I think this is actually what boggles minds in other countries. That this is happening to Americans as well as by them and yet...
However, this is how we humans work. Us and them is situational.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And lilb-- sorry if I singled you out in my rant, but you have that handicap of being someone who seems to actually tries to listen-- orfeo, too, which is why it's tempting to get in your specific faces.
No worries. And I can seem preachy. But it is never meant from a "holier than thou" perspective. Rather the opposite.
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Golden Key
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Aaannnnndddd "One Day After Mass Shooting, Republicans Vote Down Gun Legislation". (Care2) (If anyone already posted about this, apologies.)
Care2 is a site for ways to do good, so there are links to more info, and a petition for *Americans* to sign.
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Kelly Alves
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Holy hell.
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Ok, we can't link to petitions, except in our signatures. But I will say that the petitions section of the White House site has a firearms section. The site also has Obama's positions on guns, and lots of other stuff. Some fun things, too! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(H/As, hope this is ok.)
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romanlion
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
The NRA's New Shooting Game Is For Ages Four And Up
Looks like fun. Ages 4 and up.
The NRA's "new" shooting game is three years old.
In more recent news, Wednesday's attack in California is the latest example of Islamic assholes killing Americans inside the US during Obama's term.
Guns this time, but they have also used bombs and chopped people's heads off.
Don't worry though, the AG is serious about prosecuting people who might have something negative to say about it...
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Golden Key
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Think of all who were killed here during Dubya's term. AKA 9/11.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Think of all who were killed here during Dubya's term. AKA 9/11.
Yeah! All those guys who came into the states during Clinton's term!? I remember that...what a mess!
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Guns this time, but they have also used bombs and chopped people's heads off.
When have Islamists (or anybody for that matter) decapitated Americans on American soil since 2008?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Guns this time, but they have also used bombs and chopped people's heads off.
When have Islamists (or anybody for that matter) decapitated Americans on American soil since 2008?
In 2014 in Oklahoma.
Ironically, he was stopped by a company executive with a gun.
I'm not surprised that you had not heard about it, being "workplace violence" and all.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In more recent news, Wednesday's attack in California is the latest example of Islamic assholes killing Americans inside the US during Obama's term.
What was the one before this one?
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Oh well, I'll have to win the lottery and fund a couple of PhD students and a good data analyst to do the research. I'm sure it could be done for £100,000.
Depends - do you want to know the answer, or do you want to be able to persuade other people (including skeptical people) that you have the answer. £100,000 might buy you the first, but it won't buy the second.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
One of the traumatised survivors of the San Bernadino massacre, barely holding it together, said when being interviewed that he "wished he'd had a gun on him, he might have been able to save some lives". Who can't understand that?
If I am ever in a situation when I am attacked by one or more gunmen (terrorists, crazies or otherwise), I would certainly benefit from having a gun, and having some friends with guns with me.
It's not very likely to happen, though, and for me, the unlikely possibility that I might be attacked by terrorists does not outweigh the daily inconvenience that carrying a gun around with me would be.
The kids like to climb me like I'm a jungle gym. I couldn't let them do that if I was wearing a gun. Or maybe I'm walking around town, and I just need to pop into the... oh wait - that building doesn't allow guns.
I don't carry an umbrella everywhere I go, either, because the odds of a win (having an umbrella when I get caught in the rain) don't outweigh the inconvenience of carrying the thing around when it's dry. To me, carrying a gun looks like even worse odds.
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romanlion
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Is this where I should "drop the microphone"?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In more recent news, Wednesday's attack in California is the latest example of Islamic assholes killing Americans inside the US during Obama's term.
What was the one before this one?
The Boston Bombings?
Nadal Hasan?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In more recent news, Wednesday's attack in California is the latest example of Islamic assholes killing Americans inside the US during Obama's term.
What was the one before this one?
The Boston Bombings?
Nadal Hasan?
Chattanooga?
Garland, Texas?
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The whole thing with guns in America is scary and sad for this outsider looking in. I get the historical frontier use to exterminate the Indian nations and tribes, but can't see how that applies to current urban killings. Someone must be finding this economically advantageous, making a profit out of it.
The references to the terror attacks - how do they apply? I can't see that shooting your openly carried pistol at an airplane would do much on the way to crashing into a building.
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romanlion
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The references to the terror attacks - how do they apply? I can't see that shooting your openly carried pistol at an airplane would do much on the way to crashing into a building.
You must be referring to 9/11? Those attacks were nearly 15 years ago. Islamist shitbags have been killing people in the US with regularity since then.
Had you been in that room in San Bernardino last week, would you have rather been carrying or not carrying?
How effective were the strict gun control laws in France in preventing what happened there?
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
The whole thing with guns in America is scary and sad for this outsider looking in. I get the historical frontier use to exterminate the Indian nations and tribes, but can't see how that applies to current urban killings.
Only that the pioneer movement made the continental US such a war zone that every homesteader really had reason for wanting a gun on their property-- and people haven't shaken that idea that a gun is the basic form of home protection. Pretty sure it's been pointed out before. It's not a justification for anything, it's an attempt to describe where the idea of home gun use came from. Because people keep asking.
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Someone must be finding this economically advantageous, making a profit out of it.
No, really?
The network of people who are making a profit off of this are the very people cockblocking gun law reform. That must have been mentioned by four different people on the last two pages alone.Unlike Lilbuddha and Orfeo, you are not one of the people who seem to be trying to listen.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Is this where I should "drop the microphone"?
What fucking game are you under the impression you are winning?
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Okay, so some of the many thousands of murders committed in this country since 9/11/01 have been committed by Muslims. Is the rate disproportionate to their percent of the population? Do you think they're all in cahoots, like all the white Christian angry young men who shoot up elementary schools and movie theatres? Is THEIR murder rate higher than their portion of the population?
Part of white privilege is when you do something, you represent yourself. When a black man or a Muslim commit a crime, they somehow represent all blacks or all Muslims.
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Leorning Cniht
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The references to the terror attacks - how do they apply? I can't see that shooting your openly carried pistol at an airplane would do much on the way to crashing into a building.
Obviously not, no. The idea that someone on the plane with a gun might be useful, however, is essentially the argument behind the existence of the Federal Air Marshal Service.
Most of the recent terror attacks have been mass shootings. One can certainly debate the likely outcome of having a number of well-trained, poorly-trained or untrained people carrying guns present at the Bataclan in Paris, in San Bernardino, or in other mass shootings, but the proposed mechanism is rather obvious. (Of course, there's nothing terrorism-specific about this discussion: it applies to mass shootings regardless of the killers' motives.)
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Islamist shitbags have been killing people in the US with regularity since then.
So, let's look at shootings and try to figure out what major religion the majority belong to. (Hint, it isn't Islam.)
And let's look at what might have triggered the largest rise in terrorist groups. (Hint, look at recent Republican presidents)
You have such a hard on for Clinton and Obama that you must be constantly stroking yourself to their images.
As far as arming people, look at the roadways next time you drive. Your want those people armed during a tense situation? You are an idiot.
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Golden Key
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Interestingly, the the New York Daily News did a San Bernardino front cover before the NY Times! (See the pics in the article.)
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Had you been in that room in San Bernardino last week, would you have rather been carrying or not carrying?
I'd rather nobody had been carrying. Including the attackers.
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How effective were the strict gun control laws in France in preventing what happened there?
Which of the two countries has more mass shootings per year? I'd say that the one that has fewer such incidents is the one that has the laws that are most effective at preventing such incidents.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I'd rather nobody had been carrying. Including the attackers.
Not an answer. They were carrying. So had you been there in that situation would you have preferred an opportunity to defend yourself or not?
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Which of the two countries has more mass shootings per year? I'd say that the one that has fewer such incidents is the one that has the laws that are most effective at preventing such incidents.
Since there is no agreed upon definition of "mass shootings" it is difficult to say. In terms of casualties France has us beat hands down for 2015.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
The references to the terror attacks - how do they apply? I can't see that shooting your openly carried pistol at an airplane would do much on the way to crashing into a building.
You must be referring to 9/11? Those attacks were nearly 15 years ago. Islamist shitbags have been killing people in the US with regularity since then.
Regularity, like frequency, does not men often or extensively. We'd like the numbers please.
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Had you been in that room in San Bernardino last week, would you have rather been carrying or not carrying?
I'd rather not. I don't know how to use a gun and if I had one, somebody who does know how to use one would probably have shot me before taking my gun. quote:
How effective were the strict gun control laws in France in preventing what happened there?
In that instance, ineffective, but that is one incident in many years and France has a vast number of young and disaffected Muslim men.
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Oddly enough the UK understanding is even if attackers are carrying guns you are still safer if they think you are not.
Put it this way, if they think you have a gun and are going to use it against them then they will fire first and think later. Yes the exact reflection of the US gun lobbies stance. Odd that isn't it. Terrorist think like people.
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I'd rather nobody had been carrying. Including the attackers.
Not an answer. They were carrying. So had you been there in that situation would you have preferred an opportunity to defend yourself or not?
Unless I'm going to use the bullets from my gun to shoot the bullets from their gun, your use of the word 'defend' is simply buying into the frontiersman image and rhetoric the NRA and other gun-supporters frequently deploy.
You don't 'defend' yourself against an shooter with a gun. You kill the shooter. Kill. That's it. That's what you do. So, "had you been there in that situation would you have preferred an opportunity to defend yourself or not?" becomes "So had you been there in that situation would you have preferred an opportunity to kill the shooters or not?"
Let's not be coy about this. I'm reasonably certain that most sane people - at least, those without a delusionary level of self-confidence - would say "I'd have preferred an opportunity to escape from the shooters."
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Since there is no agreed upon definition of "mass shootings" it is difficult to say. In terms of casualties France has us beat hands down for 2015.
The agreed upon definition is four or more people shot. France hasn't even come close to the US: we're at 462 for the year. And that's deaths. Another 1312 have been injured.
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You can read about what life is like for one of those shot and injured, one of the "lucky ones."
Go ahead. Click here. Read. And then come back and explain why readily-available assault weapons are such a fabulous idea, you miserable excuse for an asswipe.
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Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Oddly enough the UK understanding is even if attackers are carrying guns you are still safer if they think you are not.
Put it this way, if they think you have a gun and are going to use it against them then they will fire first and think later. Yes the exact reflection of the US gun lobbies stance. Odd that isn't it. Terrorist think like people.
Jengie
Yeah, this is the logic that eludes.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Oddly enough the UK understanding is even if attackers are carrying guns you are still safer if they think you are not.
That sounds entirely rational to me. Advertising that you are armed might act as a deterrence against certain kinds of attack (if you want to rob a bank, for example, you'll likely choose the poorly-defended one over the well-defended one).
Once someone has decided that he is going to attack you (rob your bank, shoot a bunch of people in your building, ...) it's rational for him to take out the guards first. If there's only a couple of guards, the guards are going down, because the attacker(s) will have the advantage of surprise.
That's why Air Marshals look like ordinary passengers instead of wearing shiny uniforms.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Let's not be coy about this. I'm reasonably certain that most sane people - at least, those without a delusionary level of self-confidence - would say "I'd have preferred an opportunity to escape from the shooters."
If anyone is at all able to perform heroics in a random shooter situation then a tactic might be, if you escaped getting hit early, to flee sideways and get behind the shooter. Providing a person is willing to risk their own life, a sudden lunge at the shooter and mounting them piggyback style while simultaneously pulling the weapon arm skywards could save lives.
Taking cover behind something that probably isn't bullet proof and attempting frontal, accurate shots in a chaotic few seconds is more likely to get you killed.
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The pro-gun people have said that we should do away with "gun free zones" because the bad guys know that they can come in and shoot people knowing that no one will shoot back -- unless it's at their own gun show, where loaded guns are not allowed -- and where someone was shot by accident.
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"Safety is our Number One Priority, and a safe environment in the show can only be maintained if there are no loaded guns in the show," the website said.
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It's easy to recognize hypicrites and you can see that even the mainstream media does not hesitate to do so. This is the kind of lamebrain Christian leader that makes all Christians look bad.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In terms of casualties France has us beat hands down for 2015.
On current figures the US manages a Bataclan every 4 days. Every. 4. Days.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It's easy to recognize hypicrites and you can see that even the mainstream media does not hesitate to do so. This is the kind of lamebrain Christian leader that makes all Christians look bad.
What make me more angry (yes, angry) is that he seems to be so damned happy to be carrying a gun. I doubt soldiers carry a weapon with such joy.
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Penny S
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When I've seen people officially entitled to be carrying guns as part of their duties - soldiers and police - they look like people carrying tools.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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"Safety is our Number One Priority, and a safe environment in the show can only be maintained if there are no loaded guns in the show," the website said.
I suppose that a gun show is an environment where large numbers of people are expected to pick guns up and wave them around in a way that might be rather alarming if they were loaded, and they're trying to exclude the chance of someone mistaking a loaded weapon for an unloaded one.
If it was an exhibition of toaster ovens, there would be no reason for anyone to be waving guns around, or for anyone to believe that there were unloaded demo guns around, so no opportunity for confusion. So there's a real reason here - it's not just hypocrisy.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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"Safety is our Number One Priority, and a safe environment in the show can only be maintained if there are no loaded guns in the show," the website said.
I suppose that a gun show is an environment where large numbers of people are expected to pick guns up and wave them around in a way that might be rather alarming if they were loaded, and they're trying to exclude the chance of someone mistaking a loaded weapon for an unloaded one.
If anyone waves a gun around, anytime and anywhere I would kick their ass so hard they would need a wheelchair for a week. So would my b-I-l and he's a gamekeeper. He's a peaceable chap, but prats with guns really get his goat.
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Brenda Clough
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The NRA has a no-gun policy at their annual convention.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The NRA has a no-gun policy at their annual convention.
Well, since no-gun zones are irresistible for mass shooters, I guess they're just asking for it.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The NRA has a no-gun policy at their annual convention.
Unbelievable.
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saysay
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If anyone waves a gun around, anytime and anywhere I would kick their ass so hard they would need a wheelchair for a week. So would my b-I-l and he's a gamekeeper. He's a peaceable chap, but prats with guns really get his goat.
And you're confident in your ability to kick a gun-wielder's ass without getting shot?
Interesting.
Anybody else seen American Sniper?
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The NRA has a no-gun policy at their annual convention.
Now, that's pure hypocrisy.
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