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romanlion
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
He could be impeached if he broke it on a small scale. Seriously, he's not going to be able to get away with deporting all Muslims or some such crap.
He never suggested such.
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Alan Cresswell
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No, he only suggested deporting all immigrants. Which is no less nutty.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
No, he only suggested deporting all immigrants. Which is no less nutty.
Actually, he never suggested that either.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
No, he only suggested deporting all immigrants. Which is no less nutty.
Actually, he never suggested that either.
Just as well. What would happen to all those who fled varying degrees of tyranny in Europe over the last 500 years?
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Which is fine, and rather missing my point, which is that, as I see it, the arguments for "just war" can also me made to apply to individual people.
Nice try, Quixote. I never wanted anything to do with your so-called point. I merely stated that it was contemptible to believe in mutually-exclusive fairy tales: "just wars" and "religions of peace".
But if you want to discuss the concept of least-bad options at a personal level with respect to lethal hardware, why don't we just call that what it is? Cowardice.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It would be far more efficient to not elect Trump in the first place. The man is clearly unfit to hold office.
Let alone his wig.
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I prefer Sancho Panza to the good Knight of the Sad Countenance. In his stupidity, he turned out to be quite wise.
Still, what can you do? Fight the good fight, I suppose, even if all the tools you have are a bow-legged donkey, a rusty sword, a barber's tray for a helmet and you end up tilting at windmills.
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Cheesy - your reference to fiction is worthy only in the sense that it raises the problem of fiction in the understanding of guns and how people use them.
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I don't know, I think we could all learn a lot from reading things like Don Quixote. Madness looks like sense and sense looks like madness, depending on your perspective.
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Well, the USA has all those gun owners who say they are ready to do battle against a tyrannical government. If The President Donald tried to round up Muslims, what are the chances the 2nd Amendment crowd would do anything to stop it? Hands up, who's going to bear arms and defend their Muslim neighbours' basic freedoms by shooting police or armed forces or whoever is sent to carry The Donald's solution?
Anybody?
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Which is fine, and rather missing my point, which is that, as I see it, the arguments for "just war" can also me made to apply to individual people.
You have asserted this. I asked you to demonstrate it, and you ignored me. I must conclude that this is a mere assertion and you have no argument or evidence for it.
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It is interesting that with Trump, he is morphing it appears sucessfully the 'government as enemy' into Moslem enemies. The rabble must have their villains. Trump's gift is to offer a good mythological villain based on a kernel of fact piped into their brains by an obedient media. Conspiracy once named just needs a few ocassional facts to keep it going. Whether Moslems, Jews, Blacks.
The rejection of Trump by other politicians plays into his absurd charisma. They are part of the prior conspiracy re big government which wants to take guns, liberty and enslave the nation. He's selling that the country needs to wake up to the real threat, and weirdly let Trump become the government against the establishment and the Moslems, or rather the image of the dirty bearded extremist. With the appeal to (almost) violence at home. If there are a few more shootings he might be able to exploit responsive lynchings, so long as he condemns the violence but not the feelings motivating them.
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There's a meme running around on the net which goes something like, If only all black men under the age of 30 go and join the NRA, and buy a gun, there will be stringent gun control laws on the books by the end of the month.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
No, he only suggested deporting all immigrants. Which is no less nutty.
Actually, he never suggested that either.
Yes he did. Just not in his latest nutjob speech.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
No, he only suggested deporting all immigrants. Which is no less nutty.
Actually, he never suggested that either.
Yes he did. Just not in his latest nutjob speech.
I know there is a lot of hysteria regarding Trump these days. He has taken over two threads here one of which is totally unrelated to politics, but compare the headline in your link to the post I quoted and you will see that I am correct.
Trump never suggested deporting all immigrants.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Trump never suggested deporting all immigrants.
You are fucking stupid.
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Alan Cresswell
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Well, strictly speaking deporting all illegal immigrants. But, he's also on record as saying he'll make it illegal to be an immigrant if you're a muslim. I'm sure he'll find a way of declaring other immigrants as illegal.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Well, strictly speaking deporting all illegal immigrants.
And their children, who are legally US citizens.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Well, strictly speaking deporting all illegal immigrants.
Ahhhh, so someone here can read!
Not Rook so much, but someone at least!
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saysay
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Trump says enough exaggerated moronic things. He really doesn't need other people helping him by taking it even further.
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Barnabas62
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saysay
You're right. Trump's act of pandering to prejudices which was thinly disguised as an unworkable counter productive and expensive excuse for a policy does apply to illegal immigrants and their offspring. I misread Alan Cresswell. No need to 'credit' Trump with being even more moronic than he is.
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saysay
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No worries, Barnabas.
It's just that that's exactly the sort of misrepresentation (whether deliberate or caused by people skimming articles too fast) a lot of people are angry about. After it's been done to you too many times, particularly when it's offered as some kind of proof that you are some kind of -ist or horrible person in a way that the person misrepresenting you is not, it tends to be rage inducing.
My guess is that people who only have access to media reports about Trump and his supporters are way overestimating the degree to which he is popular because of the specific horrible things he says or specific horrible policies and underestimating the degree he is popular because he is seen as authentic and is refusing to play by the rules of political correctness (see Doublethink's link in Purgatory). I know it likely doesn't help people on your side of the pond understand, but it seems somewhat comparable to the reasons why Bill Maher (the man we love to hate) and his show Politically Incorrect is popular on the Left.
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mousethief
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Just offhand, and I'm only one person, I estimate Trump's popularity by his stance firmly atop the GOP presidential hopeful polls, and the number of people he gets to his campaign rallies. No naughty nasty evil liberal/progressive media plots required.
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saysay
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And you can estimate that he is popular because of those things, but not necessarily accurately speculate as to why. Which people seem intent on doing.
I ask again, how many Trump supporters have you actually talked to yourself?
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The White House petition site in my sig now has a sort of universal carry petition:
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Allow Constitutional carry of firearms for all U.S. citizens legally qualified to own firearms
Whereas Governmental authorities world wide need to allocate significant resources on the urgent matters of; climate, and importing Muslim refugees; limited resources make the provision of reasonable protection from Islamic militants and other deranged criminals an impossibility.
Therefor, until further notice; in accordance with the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States; all U.S. Citizens legally qualified to own a firearm shall be permitted to carry any legally owned firearm in any public place for the specific purpose of their own self defense and the defense of others.
Published Date: Dec 04, 2015
![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) Yet another good reason to stay home...
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RooK
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Originally posted by saysay:
Trump says enough exaggerated moronic things. He really doesn't need other people helping him by taking it even further.
I'm pretty sure it would be understood by even the most rabid Palin-hating spotted-screech-owl-impersonating über-liberal that "immigrants" as used in this thread was referring to those in the US sans visa. But I do apologize for the lack of precision in my wording.
Please feel free to get back to fornicating with firearms.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by saysay:
And you can estimate that he is popular because of those things, but not necessarily accurately speculate as to why. Which people seem intent on doing.
I ask again, how many Trump supporters have you actually talked to yourself?
I haven't spoke to any but I have heard a few grunt.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I haven't spoke to any but I have heard a few grunt.
Good friends of this man then?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I haven't spoke to any but I have heard a few grunt.
Good friends of this man then?
You might not believe it, but I wasn't thinking of him.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by saysay:
And you can estimate that he is popular because of those things, but not necessarily accurately speculate as to why. Which people seem intent on doing.
I ask again, how many Trump supporters have you actually talked to yourself?
What good would that do? Are you saying that nobody is accurately reporting what these people say about themselves? NOBODY? Or just that the majority of reports are wrong, and the truth is being obscured?
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I'm saying that the media riled shit up during the Baltimore riots. I'm saying that all signs are pointing to them doing it again. I'm saying that maybe people should talk to each other before condemning one another based on news filtered through media.
But what good would talking to people who might disagree with me do? I might have to change my mind! That can't happen.
And the WSJ is obviously accurate and non-biased. Especially when it comes to the opinions of the working class.
WTF?
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mousethief
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If I talk to one Trump supporter, what does that say about the rest of his supporters? Nothing. The plural of anecdote is not data.
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Barnabas62
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Appreciating your distrust of the media, saysay, you might also appreciate this look at the Frank Luntz focus group study.
This quote from the article says it all really.
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The totalitarian society billionaires bought. Right there, in Luntzian color.
Distrusting the more established media (like the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post whose articles on the Luntz study support one another) simply delivers Trump supporters into the hands of those billionaires doesn't it? Or, if you like, those other billionaires. Like Murdoch and Trump.
I think the Luntz study, as now quite widely reported, does constitute evidence of how Trump supporters think; their hatred of Obama, their distrust of the conventional media, the extent to which their minds have been distorted by the propagandist source of information they do trust.
Frank Luntz's twitter feed links directly to the Washington Post article on his study. So he clearly endorses the Washington Post article as an accurate report of the conversations which took place and his own response to them.
That's evidence, saysay. Evidence that these people have been brainwashed, and not by the conventional media.
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Soror Magna
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Really? How did this family become the darlings of the right?
Drunk, abusive, suffering from a serious illness, has a gun. And it's Obama's fault.
To call them dysfunctional would be an insult to dysfunctional families.
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The entire Palin family, including Sarah, was involved in a bar brawl last year. Personally, I think violence runs in the family.
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
How did this family become the darlings of the right? Drunk, abusive, suffering from a serious illness, has a gun.
Add sexually dysfunctional and you've **got** the far right! ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
5 dead in school shooting, La Loche, Saskatchewan
Not immune in Canada. Been to La Loche many times. It's in northern Sask on the voyageur canoe route. Very very upsetting.
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And one of the snow related deaths belongs here. Partway down the page. Probably belongs in the driver thread as well.
Blizzard news
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Wesley J
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The recent deadly Oregon militia standoff's (linkie) got all the right and appropriately weird names.
First of all, it's in a place called 'Malheur' - which is 'bad luck' in French. Then, one of the leaders's called Ammon(...ition?) Bundy and another, rather dead one, LaVoy Finicum. Without being too finicky (after all, he's been finished off and gone to The Void Eternal): with names like these, people are just bound to get crazy.
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Wesley J
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The Grauniad is telling us, BTW:
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The Oregon militia, made up of mostly out-of-state anti-government activists, says it wants to establish local control of public lands. [Italics mine]
This is not a thread about the motivations of nutcase militias, but you can't help wondering if some people haven't got too much time and too many guns at hand.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
BTW:
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The Oregon militia, made up of mostly out-of-state anti-government activists, says it wants to establish local control of public lands. [Italics mine]
You do get the feeling that some people need their irony meters calibrated. A group of armed men occupy Federal Government property with the stated aim of getting the feds to hand that land to the local community, and they don't see the irony of non-locals taking this action against the wishes of the vast majority of the local community.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Four good guys with guns.
Over a $25 fee. Notice there was a woman involved egging things on. I really doubt the complaints about the fee required her calling for back-up. The last road-rage incident I read about, involving guns and death, was repeatedly escalated by a woman passenger in one of the cars. There are a lot of men wanting to be John Wayne and a lot of women wanting to be married to him in our country. I guess, as long as they all hang out together it's not so bad.
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The last road-rage incident I read about, involving guns and death, was very near my home last week and involved two women. Driver A rear-ended Driver B at a red light. Driver A (who caused the collision) got out of her car with a gun and fatally shot Driver B.
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Wow. I'll be interested in how that comes out. The very first road rage incident I ever heard of was two women arguing on the interstate. They both took an exit and parked on the side of the ramp. The woman in the front car got out and marched, unarmed, toward the one still in her car. The one in the car took out her gun and killed the woman coming toward her. She got off because she, "felt threatened." That's been about 15 years ago and I'm still mad about it.
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Wow. I'll be interested in how that comes out.
She was depressed and apparently suicidal, so she'll probably plead insanity.
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