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Originally posted by mousethief:
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And Pat Robertson is always reliable. How the man call call himself a follower of Christ is a mystery to me. Any time someone wants to throw mud at the church, he's the one they throw.

You do know this is a satire site, right?
Oh dear, is it really? Tch. Although that he is the object of such satire says something too.

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I've just read somewhere that Trump has said Obama should resign because he omitted to use the term 'radical Islam' in his speech.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Yeah, terrorism, my ass. A private citizen decided he didn't like what two other private citizens were doing, so he got a readily available weapon and started eliminating people he didn't like.

Without wishing to put your posterior under too much pressure, how does that differ from terrorism? It seems to me as though this is exactly the same as the lone shooter who attacks an abortion clinic.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Yeah, terrorism, my ass. A private citizen decided he didn't like what two other private citizens were doing, so he got a readily available weapon and started eliminating people he didn't like.

Without wishing to put your posterior under too much pressure, how does that differ from terrorism? It seems to me as though this is exactly the same as the lone shooter who attacks an abortion clinic.
I guess it depends how you define terrorism. I usually use the term to mean "the use of violence by non-governmental actors to achieve a political end." As such, the Pulse shooting would qualify, if the guy was trying to somehow roll back gay- rights in the USA.

But if he was just trying to express a personal animosity toward gays, then I might not apply the word.

Some might also factor in whether or not the shooter was acting alone, or as part of an organized group, but I don't see that as relevant, if a political motive has already been established.

And yes, I would call the anti-abortion shooters terrorists, even though I suppose their immediate goal is not to change the law, but to prevent people from performing or having abortions.

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Originally posted by Penny S:
I've just read somewhere that Trump has said Obama should resign because he omitted to use the term 'radical Islam' in his speech.

Of course, Christian homophobes will want to blame this on Islam, not homophobia, thus letting themselves off the hook. Let's not let them get away with it. Let's keep reminding the world that that Christians kill queer folk too, and in some countries, are happy to do it legally.

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And the reason that Obama does not use the words "radical" Islam is because he knows that the word "radical" doesn't just mean extreme. It comes from the word "radix", meaning root or source. If "radical" Islam is violent, that means the root of Islam is violence. He won't say that because it's not true, even though some people will say it is because he's secretly a gay Muslim.
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Originally posted by Stetson:
I guess it depends how you define terrorism. I usually use the term to mean "the use of violence by non-governmental actors to achieve a political end." As such, the Pulse shooting would qualify, if the guy was trying to somehow roll back gay- rights in the USA.

But if he was just trying to express a personal animosity toward gays, then I might not apply the word. ...

But he didn't kill the two guys in the mall at the time he saw them kissing; he premeditated and planned and murdered a whole bunch of other people. Politics includes a hell of a lot more than just legislating, and I'd lay dollars to doughnuts he never read {I}Obergefell[/I]. Humans are political animals, 24/7. How can killing a group of people and terrorizing millions of others not be political?

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And I would say that by its rhetoric, the anti-LGBTQ faction create guys like this do do their dirty work for them. They are pursuing their political ends by radicalizing downmarket homophobes to kill. It may not have been conscious terrorism by the shooter, but it is the anti-LGBTQ faction as a whole that is acting politically.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
...... It may not have been conscious terrorism by the shooter, but it is the anti-LGBTQ faction as a whole that is acting politically.

FWIW,

This NYTimes twitter essay by by their ISIS expert writer pretty much shows that the Orlando massacre was conscious terrorism but that terrorism in the name of ISIS requires only certain words be said.

i.e. Lone Wolf types affected by anti-LGBT or anti-(something else Western) are now part of ISIS' terrorism plans.

The guns are the method of course. But the hate is home grown and then used by ISIS.

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Hate-mongers must be so confused. A guy kills 50 people at a gay club in the name of radical Islam ... who do they cheer for?

That's exactly what D. and I were saying about it; they won't know which way to turn.

I suppose as long as they're hating somebody they'll be happy ... [Disappointed]

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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
He won't say that because it's not true, even though some people will say it is because he's secretly a gay Muslim.
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Just read that. ROTFL. Especially because, per the comments, it's originally from a satire site! 2 people posting sanely, but the others...

And torturing a Secret Service agent, by making him listen to Diana Ross?! I wonder if the original satirist watched the Cold War era comedy film "One, Two, Three"? A young Russian is made to listen to "Yellow Polka-Dot Bikini".

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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
I've just read somewhere that Trump has said Obama should resign because he omitted to use the term 'radical Islam' in his speech.

Of course, Christian homophobes will want to blame this on Islam, not homophobia, thus letting themselves off the hook. Let's not let them get away with it. Let's keep reminding the world that that Christians kill queer folk too, and in some countries, are happy to do it legally.

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And the reason that Obama does not use the words "radical" Islam is because he knows that the word "radical" doesn't just mean extreme. It comes from the word "radix", meaning root or source. If "radical" Islam is violent, that means the root of Islam is violence. He won't say that because it's not true, even though some people will say it is because he's secretly a gay Muslim.
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I don't think that's quite right; he's certainly not averse to the term "radicalization", which he used twice in this address.

He wants to avoid associating the terrorists with Islam because it would legitimate their own position; as he says, "They are not religious leaders; they are terrorists."

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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
And Pat Robertson is always reliable. How the man call call himself a follower of Christ is a mystery to me. Any time someone wants to throw mud at the church, he's the one they throw.

You do know this is a satire site, right?
Even some legit news sources mistakenly picked up that story--presumably because it's so like many other things Robertson really said, in the past.

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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Hate-mongers must be so confused. A guy kills 50 people at a gay club in the name of radical Islam ... who do they cheer for?

The guns.

They will and already are focusing on the guns.

I belong to a San Francisco History Facebook group. This morning a guy posted several photos of notable Pride parades, and we all thanked him and sort of collected for a while to have a little cry and admire the pics, while people shared updates on the Orlando situation. Then some Arizona expat came in."This is exactly why I never leave the house unarmed. "

I didn't respond-- didn't trust myself-- but I looked long and hard at his profile pic, so I could walk the other way if I saw him coming.

[ 13. June 2016, 03:09: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Hate-mongers must be so confused. A guy kills 50 people at a gay club in the name of radical Islam ... who do they cheer for?

Turns out they're not confused at all.

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And I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is saying, "oh, if only they'd all had guns!"

ETA: This is in response to Kelly.

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"Orlando Is My City. And I’m Sick Of This Sh*t" (HuffPost).

Good blog post re gun control--even a total ban. And, of course, a couple of commenters did say it would've been different if the club attendees had guns.

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Hundreds of people all with guns, together, in bars getting drunk, or stoned or both and interacting with their hormones in a place designed to elicit sensual responses.

What could go wrong?

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Justin Welby can fuck off. I don't want to hear a damn word from those who've never stood up for LGBTQ people in the past. Nothing. You don't get kudos for any version of "at least WE don't hate you enough to kill you." Conservative Christians this is not your moment. Replace your disrespectful silence at our oppression with respectful silence at our mourning.

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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Hundreds of people all with guns, together, in bars getting drunk, or stoned or both and interacting with their hormones in a place designed to elicit sensual responses.

What could go wrong?

They could hold hands with someone of the wrong gender.

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Hundreds of people all with guns...

[i]All[i] with guns? Uh, no. Proliferation of guns is a huge problem here, but could you try to absorb the notion that we don't all carry guns?
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Hundreds of people all with guns...

All with guns? Uh, no. Proliferation of guns is a huge problem here, but could you try to absorb the notion that we don't all carry guns?
I think he was snarking about the wisdom that people drinking and dancing in a bar would have been safer if they had been armed.
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Turns out they're not confused at all.

The bloke in that article strikes me as that most dangerous combination - a bigot crossed with an idiot.

[Mad]

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I still think Chris Rock was onto something. In a country where gun ownership is pretty damn close to being a religion enshrined in law, why not punitively tax bullets?

I think $5,000 per shot was the proposed level.

That said, I can imagine there'd still be some who'd starve their families just to be able to fire their weapons at someone else, even if they're not part of any kind of well regulated militia.

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The other suggestion, which I kind of like, is to gin up a public push for all gay people to buy guns. And black people too, of course. Lots of ads with big black men holding heavy assault weaponry, and cross-dressers locking and loading. Gun control legislation would pass so quickly your head would spin. Because of course the second amendment is really only supposed to apply to white straight men.

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Americans? Here's the White House petition to ban AR-15s.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The other suggestion, which I kind of like, is to gin up a public push for all gay people to buy guns. And black people too, of course. Lots of ads with big black men holding heavy assault weaponry, and cross-dressers locking and loading. Gun control legislation would pass so quickly your head would spin. Because of course the second amendment is really only supposed to apply to white straight men.

I think you underestimate the fetish/eroticism behind the "People should be able to own any big assed gun they can afford" movement. They don't care who as long as they can (in theory).

Its aspirational spending actually, not all that different mentally to these people then when they choose to get a venti at Starbucks over a cup of coffee at a local diner (and yes, , the assumption that gun acquirers are all good old boy types is false).

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I am sick and tired of this thread. I have had enough of reading every single story, every single link, about every new death, every new massacre. Every one is unique and different, and yet, after all this time, they blend together. Every time, we talk, we discuss, we try to explain to one another, those of us over here try to please just reban stupid assault weapons its a startpleaseohplease, and then, it happens again.

I can't close it. I don't want to close it. I want it to sink to the bottom of Hell and be culled, consigned to some dark reach of Oblivion where not even our search function can find it.

Just put the guns down and go home. Please. It's not worth it.

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The Black Panthers were among a number of Black people who were armed. It didn't always end well.

I've been watching all the erstwhile homophobes like Huckabee take a break to condemn the killings while not mentioning that they were killed because they were LBGT. I don't know if Trump mentioned they were mostly Latino as well in his attempt to smear Muslims.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The other suggestion, which I kind of like, is to gin up a public push for all gay people to buy guns. And black people too, of course. Lots of ads with big black men holding heavy assault weaponry, and cross-dressers locking and loading. Gun control legislation would pass so quickly your head would spin. Because of course the second amendment is really only supposed to apply to white straight men.

Don't worry, we wouldn't use them or anything. Except for protection.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The other suggestion, which I kind of like, is to gin up a public push for all gay people to buy guns. And black people too, of course. Lots of ads with big black men holding heavy assault weaponry, and cross-dressers locking and loading. Gun control legislation would pass so quickly your head would spin. Because of course the second amendment is really only supposed to apply to white straight men.

Don't worry, we wouldn't use them or anything. Except for protection.
What? Are you saying black people need to protect themselves? Against who, white people? REVERSE RACISM! REVERSE RACISM!

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is saying, "oh, if only they'd all had guns!"

ETA: This is in response to Kelly.

Yep. An erstwhile poster on these very boards posted a meme on that Bookface thing to that very effect. She got pretty sort shrift from most people.

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Interesting movement in Congress:

"Democrats Launch Filibuster-Style Blockade On Guns" (HuffPost). Ever see "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington"? That's a filibuster. You keep talking, until the other side gives in.

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Interesting movement in Congress:

"Democrats Launch Filibuster-Style Blockade On Guns" (HuffPost). Ever see "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington"? That's a filibuster. You keep talking, until the other side gives in.

Don't know how much good it will do, but many of us Americans, heartbroken by a long, long season of death, are cheered by his efforts.

Oh, and here's another take on filibusters: by the grandfathers.

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"How Alexander Hamilton solved America's gun problem — 228 years ago" (The Week). Author looks into the writings of Founding Father Alexander Hamilton, and explores the possibility of controlling guns by mandating that owners join a state militia! (Hoping that people would keep an eye on each other.) Long, but interesting, IMHO.

Of course, Hamilton died in a gun(?) duel with Aaron Burr; but Wikipedia suggests that Burr asked for the duel.

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Penny S
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And now we have a case. Nobody dead, though victim critical.

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Liopleurodon

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She's died now. I don't know what to make of this situation. [Votive]

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Penny S
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David Cameron looked absolutely genuine in his speech.
One of the witnesses thought it was a homemade gun.
And they are being very careful about the early reports of what the man said.
Shocking.
And one of the good ones.
And her children - it doesn't bear thinking of.

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Doublethink.
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There was an interesting piece on radio 4, saying the vast majority of this specific type of attacks are carried out by fixated mentally ill individuals.

The metropolitan police apparently have a fixated threat assessment unit jointly with the health service to manage this kind of risk.

He was talking about increasing the safety of backbench mps (the lower profile mps who don't have protection details) by increasing their awareness of identifying risky individuals and sourcing help - rather than simply seeing them as something they must just put up with.

He said there have usually been multiple problematic contatcs between the assailant and the target beforehand. E.g. The last mp who was stabbed at his constituency surgery a couple of years ago, (fortunately he survived), had been visited by his assailant at the surgery on over a hundred previous occasions.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/jo-cox-mp-everything-we-know-so-far-about-thomas-mair/

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Penny S
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That is very odd. Apart from the usual quote about being a quiet loner who kept himself to himself, which doesn't match the story of his activities, there doesn't seem to be anything to trigger what he did.
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He may have made a good recovery from serious illness, then subsequently relapsed - or the mental illness could have nothing to do with it.

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Found a thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixated_Threat_Assessment_Centre

Seems like they do a decent job, but no system is perfect.

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Audio of today's White House conference call on assault rifles, from the White House site:

Got an invitation to this for signing an petition. I didn't participate and I haven't listened to this, yet, but thought it might be of interest.

quote:
Special call on civilian ownership of the AR-15 with Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement.

On the call, we'll talk about the need to renew the assault weapons ban and the different gun safety measures the Senate is set to vote on in the coming week.



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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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In late breaking news, the Senate has rejected all gun control proposals currently before it.

What is it that the French say about plus ça change . . . ? [Help]

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Golden Key
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Grrrrr.

On a practical basis, I do have questions about the approaches based on the no-fly list and the terror watch list. AIUI, the no-fly list only lists names, with no other info, so the list can be wildly inaccurate. Even Sen. Ted Kennedy was pulled aside. So anyone whose name matched could be refused gun purchase.

And if someone on the terror watch list tries to legally buy a gun and is refused, won't that warn them that they're on the list?

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
And if someone on the terror watch list tries to legally buy a gun and is refused, won't that warn them that they're on the list?

Not if they've already been interviewed by the FBI three times.

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You're only a known terrorist.

Never mind, in the USA it's still your God-given constitutional right to legally buy and carry a [semi-]automatic rifle, and [it follows] to shoot anyone you feel like [in self-defense of of course].

No wonder the rest of world thinks it's a madhouse. (My wife is reluctant to enter the country even as a tourist, and she's as WASP as anyone.)

[ 21. June 2016, 09:54: Message edited by: Tukai ]

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Madhouse? You ain't seen nothin' yet! The news this morning is that a Florida congressional candidate is raffling off an AK-15, claiming that it's necessary for the defense of our country. Against what, I'd like to know -- the likes of him? [Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Madhouse? You ain't seen nothin' yet! The news this morning is that a Florida congressional candidate is raffling off an AK-15, claiming that it's necessary for the defense of our country. Against what, I'd like to know -- the likes of him? [Mad]

A Colt Armalite rifle chambering WARPAC 7.62mm short? Never heard of a STANAG Kalashnikov mag...
[Waterworks]

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"U.S. House Democrats hold 'sit-in' demanding gun control vote" (Yahoo), and some senators have joined. Don't know the current status. But good for them!

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