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Penny S
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According to the Today programme on BBC R4, they are bringing in sleeping bags and other useful items. And the Rep Speaker turning the cameras off presumably is not very useful in the days of smartphones. He says it's just a publicity stunt.
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Penny S:
... And the Rep Speaker turning the cameras off presumably is not very useful in the days of smartphones. He says it's just a publicity stunt.
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Yeah, John Lewis is notorious for his "publicity stunts". Like getting whacked on the head in Selma.
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Sounds like there is another incident in Germany this time
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Penny S:
The Rep Speaker . . . says it's just a publicity stunt.
Yeah, but safer (in his mind, at least, I guess) than the publicity that would ensue if a vote actually did take place. "Congressman Dipshit: the one who voted for known terrorists being allowed to buy guns unchecked. Do we really want to re-elect him?"
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
According to the Today programme on BBC R4, they are bringing in sleeping bags and other useful items. And the Rep Speaker turning the cameras off presumably is not very useful in the days of smartphones. He says it's just a publicity stunt.
Congress is at least 25% theatre. It's why there's CSpan.
I remember some time ago some Republican senator expounding on the importance of some bill, and pointing and calling out Democratic senators by name. "And you, Senator Blahblah, will you vote to protect our children? How about you, Senator Soandso?"
Then the cameras pulled back and the chamber was empty. They threw a fit over that and now there are strict guidelines over what the cameras can and cannot do. Hence Ryan switching them off.
I understand that Ryan is now threatening to have the protestors arrested. I wonder how you can arrest somebody who's in the room in which he does his job? How's that work?
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
... And the Rep Speaker turning the cameras off presumably is not very useful in the days of smartphones. He says it's just a publicity stunt.
Yeah, John Lewis is notorious for his "publicity stunts". Like getting whacked on the head in Selma.
This.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
The Rep Speaker . . . says it's just a publicity stunt.
Yeah, but safer (in his mind, at least, I guess) than the publicity that would ensue if a vote actually did take place. "Congressman Dipshit: the one who voted for known terrorists being allowed to buy guns unchecked. Do we really want to re-elect him?"
That didn't seem to bother the other house where there are several of whom it could be said "Senator Dipshit: the one who voted for known terrorists being allowed to buy guns unchecked. Do we really want to re-elect him?"
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder how you can arrest somebody who's in the room in which he does his job? How's that work?
Any number of normal people are arrested in the rooms in which they do their jobs. Some of them are arrested in the room in which they do their jobs for a crime that they committed in that very room. So I don't see why this, in particular, presents any special difficulty.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Congress is at least 25% theatre. It's why there's CSpan.
CSpan was instituted as a visual antidote to insomnia.
Parliament might be generally as fucked as Congress, but it is typically more enjoyable to watch.
Not that this is a very high bar...
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder how you can arrest somebody who's in the room in which he does his job? How's that work?
Any number of normal people are arrested in the rooms in which they do their jobs. Some of them are arrested in the room in which they do their jobs for a crime that they committed in that very room. So I don't see why this, in particular, presents any special difficulty.
And what crime have they committed in that room? Sitting on the floor?
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cliffdweller
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Pulling this up to rant. Three horrific shootings here in the US. In fact, so much terror and death that the drive-by shooting of a 4 year old boy in our community didn't even make the news. The thread title says it all.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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The sub-headline says it all:
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she makes staff take a concealed weapon training class before letting them lose [sic]
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Golden Key
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Re cops and African American men:
This mistake didn't get to the shooting point; but it was bad enough, and could've been so much worse.
Cousin of Slain Baton Rouge Cop Was Arrested for the Massacre. Damarcus Alexander went into a Walmart to change clothes. When he came out, police locked him up and allegedly denied him diabetes medicine until he almost slipped into a coma. (The Daily Beast)
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Kelly Alves
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Oh, no, no, no no.
One of the deceased was the nephew of a cherished friend, one of the best teachers I have ever worked with.
The kid was just going to a party. God damn it.
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Golden Key
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{{{{{{{Kelly and all}}}}}}}
Damn guns and gun culture.
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cliffdweller
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Callan
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Bleak, but life affirming humour.
According to my Twitter feed a teacher asked her class, during safety procedures, what they should do if she was shot.
One of her charges put their hand up. She indicated for him to speak.
"Avenge you".
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Kelly Alves
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I... am really not sure what I would say in that situation. There's what I should say, and then there is what would probably come out of my mouth.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Callan
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Me too.
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Kelly Alves
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"Of course they start shooting."
Never mind the famous dad, this was a thirteen year old girl.
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Golden Key
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News, earlier today, said 3 people were shot at a high school here in SF. Police were seeking a suspect. That's all I've heard. Not quite up to looking up a detailed story.
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Golden Key
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Kelly--
Yes, I heard about that poor 13-year-old girl who was killed.
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Stercus Tauri
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I might have tried a bucket of cold water, but a gun? I can't quite see how this relates to any right to self defence or protection from tyranny.
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Golden Key
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The violence at Ohio State Univ. today. (AIUI from the news: purposely running a car into people, then stabbed a bunch of people. Latest report says 11 people went to the hospital, one of whom was seriously injured. Attacker killed by police. He was reportedly a Somali refugee, which will play into many people's fears.)
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Golden Key
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Makes me think of a nasty/subversive childhood song (Wikipedia):
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Typical lines are[3]
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We have tortured all the teachers - we have broken all the rules
We ramrocked the offices and hung the principal
March on, third grade, march on!
Glory, glory, hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I hid behind her door with a loaded .44
And the teacher don't teach no more!
The "glory" refrain is closed to the words I learned, but the verse is different in spots.
The article notes that the band Washboard Jungle "stopped performing the song after the Columbine massacre, when it no longer seemed funny".
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Pigwidgeon
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I hid behind her door with a loaded .44
And the teacher don't teach no more!
Yikes! Times have changed since I was a kid (no more dinosaurs, electric light bulbs, horseless carriages, etc.)
We sang:
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Glory, glory, hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I socked her on the beanie
With a rotten tangerine-y
Our gang goes marching on!
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Twilight
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This 73 year old man could be me in a few years. Shot in his own driveway for walking toward police with his hands in his pockets. I imagine he couldn't quite understand what they were yelling at him so he walked closer to hear better. Of course he had his hands in his pockets, it's been freezing lately even in California. His family says he had been "showing signs of early dementia." Um hum, my family's been saying that about me since I was eight.
I blame the police, but mostly I blame the neighbor who called 911 and said the man was "brandishing a weapon." Total lie.
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Stercus Tauri
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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
This 73 year old man could be me in a few years. Shot in his own driveway for walking toward police with his hands in his pockets. I imagine he couldn't quite understand what they were yelling at him so he walked closer to hear better. Of course he had his hands in his pockets, it's been freezing lately even in California. His family says he had been "showing signs of early dementia." Um hum, my family's been saying that about me since I was eight.
I blame the police, but mostly I blame the neighbor who called 911 and said the man was "brandishing a weapon." Total lie.
In Canada too. In this case there has been a complete news blackout, the killer can't be identified, and the man's family has been told they might wait two years for an inquiry to be completed. He had upset someone by his appearance, and that was enough for the police to shoot and kill him without even leaving their car.
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Twilight
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
He had upset someone by his appearance, and that was enough for the police to shoot and kill him without even leaving their car.
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He said the man was also wearing heavy winter boots. “That really caught my eye, you know,” he said.
Yep. It's going to be me someday. If odd fashion choices warrant a police call, I expect the helicopters are circling my house right now.
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rolyn
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
When will America give up the Rambo/Lethal Weapon fantasy?
When Yellowstone goes up I expect. No need of fantasyland then, it will be for real.
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Yorick
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I appreciate how crappily etiquetted this is, but I have no time to read through this huge thread for myself to find a killer refutation of the argument of a friend of mine that people should be allowed to carry firearms. He says people would murder one another anyway, and that cars are more dangerous than guns. Seriously.
Would anyone here be kind enough to summarise pithily but devastatingly why he's being such a clot?
Many thanks (and HNY to you all).
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Doc Tor
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Hostly furry hat very firmly on
Yorick. This is not a fucking homework thread. Fuck the fuck off and do your own fucking leg work. Or you could just stab your 'friend' in the face with a carburettor and tell them they were right all along.
Hostly furry hat off
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Yorick
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Acknowledged. Sorry for the bother.
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rolyn
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They're a FUCKIN' CLOT !!
Pithy and devastating enough for you?
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Yorick
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Actually, no. Although undeniably pithy your argument fails to devastate much.
But you're going to get me into awful trouble here because we shouldn't be discussing this on this, er, discussion forum, because it's not a fucking homework thread and I must fuck the fuck off and do my own fucking leg work or stab my friend in the face.
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Doc Tor
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Purgatory is <--- that way. You may want to lay out a thesis first to prevent the Purg hosts from closing what is obviously a homework thread.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
He says people would murder one another anyway
Well the science says he's fucking wrong.
People run the same argument that people would commit suicide anyway, and would just find another method.
It's not true. The difference between guns and other means of death is that guns enable you to fulfil your murderous or suicidal impulse quickly.
Other tools give time for that impulse to fade. And so the net reduction in deaths is due to the proportion of people who come to their senses in the meantime and ask "what the fuck was I thinking?"
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Yorick
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Ahem. No, orfeo, Purgatory is over there <-------
But wait, there's no need to decamp there on my account, since I obeyed the firmly behatted command to fuck off and Googled some excellent material elsewhere. It was easy!
So the unpleasant risk of some pesky arousal of the discussion has been neatly Hosted away AND light is possibly cast on the great mystery of Where the Fuck all the Interesting Old Shipmates have Gone and why the Number of Visitors thingy only ever says '37' nowadays instead of '143'. Everyone's a winner!
I'm off to try that Google website again, to see where I can find one of those new 'but plug' things for our bathroom sink that I gather must be very good.
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Hostly furry hat on
Yorick. You know full well that if you want to discuss/dispute a Hostly ruling, that Styx is the place to do it. Just as you full well know that if you want a serious discussion on a discussion board, Purgatory (or Dead Horses, which the topic of guns is not) is the place to do it.
Your thinly-veiled contempt for this site, which you seem so desperate to be a part of, has earned you your first Admin referral of the year. Well done.
Hostly furry hat off
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Yorick
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Alas. I do not hold this site in contempt (though I suppose I doubt it always gets things right, which is fair enough I hope). On the contrary, I admire the wit and wisdom of those who participate here. Or used to, anyway.
Which is why I came here looking for some intelligent help with my 'homework', obviously.
Sorry for being the cause of trouble, though, and peaceful vibes to you all. Ta ta.
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How long, O Lord, how long?
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Boogie
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He was allowed to take a gun on a plane? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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The gun was in his checked luggage in the hold, so not accessible to him during the flight. Which must cause no end of headaches for security checking luggage for explosives, the gunpowder in the ammunition and residuals on the gun should trigger the alarms and be indistinguishable from a bomb without extra examination.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The gun was in his checked luggage in the hold, so not accessible to him during the flight. Which must cause no end of headaches for security checking luggage for explosives, the gunpowder in the ammunition and residuals on the gun should trigger the alarms and be indistinguishable from a bomb without extra examination.
"He checked in an unloaded gun and ammunition with his luggage, and loaded the semi-automatic gun in the toilet after landing and collecting his bag. He surrendered to police when he ran out of ammunition." (from the BBC news report)
So that was OK then. He followed all the rules for transporting his (presumably) legally-held weapon. The rules work. He did nothing illegal until he killed people. Nothing to see here, move along. [/sarcasm]
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