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I suppose it's too much to ask what the killer thought he was doing, or why he was doing it, or what he wanted to achieve (if anything)....
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Well his father was a bank robber diagnosed with psychopathy. So childhood will have been unpleasant. It is now reported his female partner was out of the country and he'd recently gambled heavily. So I am going to go out on a limb here and guess:
- Shitty early life leading to long term personality problem.
- History of controlling behaviour and/or domestic violence toward one or more previous partners
- Gambles away all his money in a last ditch attempt to fix his disappointing life.
- Partner leaves.
- Mass murder / suicide cos the world is against him and they all deserve to suffer they way he's suffered the bastards, and then the world will be sorry for how they treated him.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Serious question ‘tho - what are they used for?
Mass shootings, apparently. That would seem to be self evident.
Arrrrgh - yes, so it seems ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
But there must be 1000s of legally owned semi-automatic rifles in the USA. What are they used for? Surely in hunting it would be, literally, overkill?
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This chart should be up in every senator’s office.
Guns are an American plague.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
But there must be 1000s of legally owned semi-automatic rifles in the USA. What are they used for?
Threatening the elected government with armed insurrection.
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There are some weird things here - including some reports that the number of shots were not humanly possible.. and others saying that it is possible if a gadget is used which is readily available.
I wonder what justification there is to manufacture and sell a gadget which makes a sub-machine gun fire more quickly than is humanly possible.
I'm truly sorry this has happened again. As the repeated Onion headline puts it:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
I suppose it's too much to ask what the killer thought he was doing, or why he was doing it, or what he wanted to achieve (if anything)....
IJ
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Alas, no (not that it would of any practical help if I was...).
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Wooo Hooo ... one person changes their mind. 58 don't get the chance to change their mind.
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I call that the Gabby Giffords method of persuasion. Where you have to be shot in the head before you see the light about gun control.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
There are some weird things here - including some reports that the number of shots were not humanly possible.. and others saying that it is possible if a gadget is used which is readily available.
Searching for a consistent story:
The gun(s) used were semi-automatic rifles. Semi-automatic means one bullet per pull of the trigger, but it re-arms, so you can keep on pulling the trigger until the magazine is empty.
"Automatic" weapons, aka machine guns, mean that you pull the trigger and get a stream of bullets.
The "gadget" is sometimes called a "bump fire" device - basically, instead of pulling the trigger, the shooter holds the finger stationary and pushes the gun forwards into the finger. Recoil throws the gun back, but the shooter is pushing forwards on it, so he rapidly pushes the trigger into his finger again. So you don't have to cycle any muscle groups - just keep pushing in one direction, so it's quick. That's the "faster than humanly possible".
Bump fire devices are legal under current law, and don't legally turn a gun into a machine gun (because there's still one bullet per trigger-finger interaction), although the effect is somewhat similar.
There are a number of other mechanical devices that have a similar effect.
It's a lot less accurate than the base rifle, but if you're firing into a massed crowd of people, you don't care about accuracy.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Serious question ‘tho - what are they used for?
Mass shootings, apparently. That would seem to be self evident.
Arrrrgh - yes, so it seems
But there must be 1000s of legally owned semi-automatic rifles in the USA. What are they used for? Surely in hunting it would be, literally, overkill?
There are millions of them. Handguns too. The question betrays your ignorance of the difference between semi-automatic firearms and fully-automatic ones, like the one used in Vegas.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
The question betrays your ignorance of the difference between semi-automatic firearms and fully-automatic ones, like the one used in Vegas.
Rather than fuss about the difference, can you give any legitimate reason for anyone outside of law enforcement to have one? (Let alone more than one.)
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
The question betrays your ignorance of the difference between semi-automatic firearms and fully-automatic ones, like the one used in Vegas.
Rather than fuss about the difference, can you give any legitimate reason for anyone outside of law enforcement to have one? (Let alone more than one.)
Are you talking about fully-automatic or semi-automatic?
Either way the answer is yes.
Did you know, the Vegas shooter beat the September 2017 Chicago body count by 1?
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You must have creamed your jeans when the reports of the shooting happened, knowing you would find a trolling opportunity, you contemptible stripe of dog shit.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You must have creamed your jeans when the reports of the shooting happened, knowing you would find a trolling opportunity, you contemptible stripe of dog shit.
I really just wanted to be sure you were okay. Thank you for your response.
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Rub yourself off on someone else' leg. I bet if it were not for the misfortune of others, even viagra wouldn't work.
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Honestly you two, get a room ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Yeah, you're fucking hilarious. Please register as an organ donor so your pathetic existence can do a little bit of good in the end.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Rub yourself off on someone else' leg.
Well quit sticking yours out there you arduous twit.
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Without looking at the article, I just saw a headline saying that President Trump called the Las Vegas shooting pure evil.
I am genuinely unsure about whether one can call an act pure evil without knowing more about the motive. On a personal level, because I live with bi-polar disorder, I would be very reluctant to call any act by a person suffering from psychosis evil. Tragic, yes. Terrible, yes. But 'evil' puts the shooter on the outside, and implies that it is an act that would not be done by most people because they are good.
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Ian Climacus
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Every time I think this will sway the masses for more fun control...
And each time I'm wrong. So I expect nothing this time.
I have no hellish words...just tears. Such a waste of many lives.
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Ian Climacus
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simontoad: I find the use of "evil" serves to distance "them" from "us" - make them the "other". Who knows what would tip me over? Hopefully nothing, but if another human is capable of it I think we all are...
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Every time I think this will sway the masses for more fun control...
And each time I'm wrong. So I expect nothing this time.
I have no hellish words...just tears. Such a waste of many lives.
Americans cling to the myth that guns mean protection. This article debunks that, but it does not matter. Reality is less important than the bizarre fetish that guns are in America.
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So Stephen is a "shooter" a "lone wolf". If his name was سطوري (Storay) you know he'd be a "terrorist".
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Americans cling to the myth that guns mean protection.
Some do. I'd be surprised if it were a majority.
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Barnabas--
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Not the time for pond wars.
Thank you for this.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Americans cling to the myth that guns mean protection.
Some do. I'd be surprised if it were a majority.
It isn’t. The state with the highest death rate is the one with the lowest population; Wyoming. Read the article I linked a couple of posts ago. Written by Americans, BTW.
Number of households with guns has gone down over the years, but the number of guns per household with guns has gone up.
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Every time I think this will sway the masses for more gun control..[I wouldn't call it fun- says Tukai] .
And each time I'm wrong. So I expect nothing this time.
I have no hellish words...just tears. Such a waste of many lives.
Me too.
Like Simontoad I have some long-term friends now living in USA, who I would like to visit. But I may not get there any time soon, as the rest of my family is convinced that it is too dangerous to be a tourist there, because of (a) unwelcoming border guards, even if you don't come directly from Mexico, (b) madmen on every corner convinced it's their god-given right to shoot - or even nuke - anyone anytime they please (the strong impression given by the media here, not least when they report Trump's latest tweets), and (c) with a less than perfect health record, I may not be able to get travel insurance to cover me while in the USA (though it's easy enough to get cover for the rest of the world).
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Without looking at the article, I just saw a headline saying that President Trump called the Las Vegas shooting pure evil.
I am genuinely unsure about whether one can call an act pure evil without knowing more about the motive.
It depends where you put the focus of the "evil". An argument could be made that this is a result of the evil of legislators, and lobbyists, who do anything they can to block any sensible restrictions on the possession of weapons of mass murder. Or the evil of a health care "system" which over-inflates costs and practically ignores mental health, and the evil of those who oppose anything that would make health care affordable and available to all.
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Ian Climacus
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I hear some legislation is being brought to reduce restrictions on silencers... I hope it is wrong.
If true...
I'm sorry. My mind boggles. I admit to being a non-gun (checks spelling this time) person, but why would you need a silencer? If the Las Vegas shooter had one, I'm terrified to think of the possible number of dead.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Are you talking about fully-automatic or semi-automatic?
Either way the answer is yes.
So, can you open up your font of wisdom and inform us? What is your answer to the question of why anyone would need to own a weapon capable of firing multiple bullets in a very short period of time? And, if you do think there is a valid reason for owning one such gun, what is your reason for someone to own more than one such weapon?
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Did you know, the Vegas shooter beat the September 2017 Chicago body count by 1?
And? You think people don't consider the number of people shot in Chicago to be a tragedy and evil? Or, any of the other 30,000+ people killed by people with guns every year in the US?
This latest atrocity has re-focussed our minds, but as you'll know by reading this thread there has been a lot said about all the other gun crimes in the US.
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Americans hopeful This Will Be Last Mass Shooting Before They Stop On Their Own For No Reason.
I’ve heard these sentiments expressed in serious reports three times today already.
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Ian Climacus
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If I'm correct, The Onion uses that same headline each time a mass shooting occurs. Speaks volumes.
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Alan Cresswell
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Or, as News Thump puts it, Satire editor wearily hits “Repost” on mass shooting article again.
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“I’d like to see a world where that article can no longer trend effectively,” sighed Williams.
“Although, judging from the reactions of some social media users, I think the article itself is probably going to be banned before guns in America are."
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Alright, lack of gun control isn't the problem, having a culture where gun control is unthinkable is. In other words, it is a symptom of what is wrong but I am afraid until America has gun control I am not going to believe that the culture has changed.
I am not sure I want a nation with that sort of culture to have nuclear weapons. It seems to me inherently dangerous.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Serious question ‘tho - what are they used for?
Mass shootings, apparently. That would seem to be self evident.
Arrrrgh - yes, so it seems
But there must be 1000s of legally owned semi-automatic rifles in the USA. What are they used for? Surely in hunting it would be, literally, overkill?
There are millions of them. Handguns too. The question betrays your ignorance of the difference between semi-automatic firearms and fully-automatic ones, like the one used in Vegas.
Don't worry, you are not alone here...
Nothing compares with the evolutionary dead end of proliferating weapons of mass destruction in the name of the Constipation of the (full of shit) United States. It can't last as long as the other texts of redemptive violence, because they transcend nations. And it's only a genetic - code - disorder of one sick young one that isn't going to live to breed.
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Last night the talking head shows were all about looking for red flags. It's so frustrating for them because they can't find a history of mental illness, a beaten ex-wife, a lifetime of job losses and poverty, anger issues, trips to the psychiatrist, political diatribes written to the editors of the local newspapers or obsessive neatness. All they had was a taken out of context remark by his brother saying that Stephen "wasn't normal." In context he was saying that his brother was only not normal in the sense that, since retirement, he gambled for a living.
This looking for "red flags," is just the gun lovers delusion that we can learn to predict who will snap like this and not sell them any guns. This ridiculous idea is rampant in the NRA world and the reason behind their narrow list of approved gun restrictions. Ask any of them and they'll say we want more good guys to have guns and we just wont sell them to the bad guys. Of course classic bad guys who are lifetime criminals have always stolen their guns from the good guys and the people like Stephen Paddock are unpredictable.
BTW Where were all the good guys with guns in Nevada while this was going on? Why didn't one of those gun-slinging cowboys on the 32nd floor kick in Paddock's door and shoot him? Hmmm?
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
So Stephen is a "shooter" a "lone wolf". If his name was سطوري (Storay) you know he'd be a "terrorist".
Why this eagerness to call him a terrorist? It's like "mass murderer," isn't bad enough he must be all negative adjectives. Stephen Paddock, and by any other name, is not a terrorist because his crime was not politically motivated.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
So Stephen is a "shooter" a "lone wolf". If his name was سطوري (Storay) you know he'd be a "terrorist".
Why this eagerness to call him a terrorist? It's like "mass murderer," isn't bad enough he must be all negative adjectives. Stephen Paddock, and by any other name, is not a terrorist because his crime was not politically motivated.
He caused plenty of terror. That makes him a terrorist, whatever his politics, religion or skin colour.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
But there must be 1000s of legally owned semi-automatic rifles in the USA. What are they used for? Surely in hunting it would be, literally, overkill?
I have friends who hunt, and tell me that they like to use a semi-automatic rifle so that they have a quick follow-up shot available in case the first shot isn't a clean kill. They usually don't use the follow-up, but want it available.
Full-auto, bump trigger devices and so on are not useful for hunting - they aren't accurate.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
I have friends who hunt, and tell me that they like to use a semi-automatic rifle so that they have a quick follow-up shot available in case the first shot isn't a clean kill.
So, for hunting it may be useful to have a rifle that can fire two bullets in quick succession. That doesn't require a rifle with a magazine that holds dozens of bullets, nor the ability to quickly reload with dozens of bullets. I'm not an expert, but stalking is big business in parts of Scotland and they manage just fine without semi-automatic rifles with large magazines.
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No, this isn't the time for Pond Wars, but it is time to tell the next US gun idolater who tells me that I can't tell the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic weapon to fuck the hell off.
People are no more semi-dead when they are shot by a semi-automatic than people are fully-dead if shot by a fully automatic weapon. They are still dead or hideously injured.
Those semi-automatics can still shoot fucking fast.
I don't give a flying fart if deer hunters want something that gives them the opportunity for a quick follow-up shot.
Neither automatics nor semi-automatics existed when the ink dried on the 2nd Amendment.
All they had were muzzle-loading muskets and hunting rifles, pistols and blunderbusses.
They didn't have AK47s or whatever the hell other shit this bloke had stashed away in his house or with him up in the hotel room.
What's the deal in Nevada? Can you stroll into a store and walk out with a fucking machine-gun without even having a licence?
To anyone who gives me any NRA-shit or other gun-lobby shit or right-wing US Particularism 'you limeys would be able to fend off Islamist terrorists if you all had guns' schtick - and I've come across plenty of that shite online - I have just two words.
Fuck off.
Or three ...
Fuck right off.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
So Stephen is a "shooter" a "lone wolf". If his name was سطوري (Storay) you know he'd be a "terrorist".
Why this eagerness to call him a terrorist? It's like "mass murderer," isn't bad enough he must be all negative adjectives. Stephen Paddock, and by any other name, is not a terrorist because his crime was not politically motivated.
He caused plenty of terror. That makes him a terrorist, whatever his politics, religion or skin colour.
That's an insult to terrorism. There's a rationale to that.
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no prophet's flag is set so...
Proceed to see sea
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When they call it the largest American-made mass shooting in modern times what is meant by modern? 1890 isn't modern or is Wounded Knee not count because why?
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
1890 isn't modern
No, it's not. Even WW2 isn't modern any more, and that was 50 years later.
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Twilight
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So Stephen is a "shooter" a "lone wolf". If his name was سطوري (Storay) you know he'd be a "terrorist".
Why this eagerness to call him a terrorist? It's like "mass murderer," isn't bad enough he must be all negative adjectives. Stephen Paddock, and by any other name, is not a terrorist because his crime was not politically motivated.
He caused plenty of terror. That makes him a terrorist, whatever his politics, religion or skin colour.
He caused a lot of grief, too. Does that make him a grief specialist? He caused a lot of suffering. Does that make him a suffragette?
Look up terrorist. Words have meanings for a reason, they provide clarity. You just think "terrorist," is a nasty word so you want to call him that. "Rapist," is a nasty word, too, but he is not a rapist. As Martin pointed out a terrorist is not necessarily worse than a murderer.
He's a murderer. Full stop. He murdered 59 people because he was angry and depressed and he wanted to die and take a lot of people with him. He wanted to quit existing, but be remembered. This is not a new concept. Anyone who has felt suicidal and crossed the center line on the highway has done the same thing.
We have no way of predicting who is going to go this route. Gun activists who think the cure is better mental health care had better be prepared to assign a psychiatrist to every person on earth.
If this man had, had the same desire but no access to guns, he would have stabbed a few people or caused death on the highway, but probably not 59 deaths and 500 wounded.
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