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Piglet
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
... throw a hymnal at the shooter.
Does it specify which one? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Jane R
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The large print edition, presumably.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Piglet:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
... throw a hymnal at the shooter.
Does it specify which one?
Hope it's a lone gunman so you don't need to choose.
Though, if members of your congregation get out guns that'll just spoil everything as hymnals fly everywhere.
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Brenda Clough
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Stabbing them in the leg with that little pencil that's in the pew racks is also offered. This is where knitting in the pews would do us all good. I could undertake to skewer a grown man right through the brisket with a long straight steel needle.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Stabbing them in the leg with that little pencil that's in the pew racks is also offered.
I've never actually seen one of them with a point on it. But I guess you could give the gunman quite a bruise with it.
I prefer the hymnal throwing -- you can keep further away. Maybe churches could keep stacks of worn-out, outdated hymnals for this purpose.
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
... Maybe churches could keep stacks of worn-out, outdated hymnals for this purpose.
Or better yet, messed-about-with modern ones.
I'll see myself out.
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Golden Key
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Saw, in passing, that the not-a-deer shooter is being charged with 2nd degree manslaughter.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Among the suggestions -- throw a hymnal at the shooter.
I just thought of another concern. Old Mrs. (or Mr.) Jones fussing "Don't throw that hymnal! My grandmother gave that hymnal in memory of her beloved cat!"
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Only in Arizona -- specifically, only in Phoenix.
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Officers later learned that the man got into an argument with a woman and opened fire at her when she was in a vehicle. The man then accidentally discharged a round into his leg while attempting to hang onto the vehicle as the woman drove off. He was transported to a local hospital in an unknown condition. The relationship between the man and woman is currently unknown.
I'll bet they're no longer friends, though.
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churchgeek
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We have a very cool event on the first Saturday in December every year in midtown Detroit. It was this past Saturday. And some idiot 16-year-old (who was arrested either this morning or last night - there was a search at first) closed it down by bringing his gun to an argument with a teenage girl. He shot 4 people; thankfully no one died. But the whole event was shut down. I trust it'll be back as usual next year, but with a stronger police presence.
I'm really glad no self-ordained "good guy with a gun" decided to jump into the fray.
In Detroit, we have a lot of shootings, but mostly between people who know each other, or drive-bys where an innocent person gets hurt by bullets meant for someone else. It's bad enough when that happens in the neighborhoods; but bringing a gun into a heavily crowded event and then pulling it out and using it over a spat? Fucking moron. Injured four teenagers and ruined the night for thousands of people who went from reveling and enjoying concerts and other events to being stuck in a huge clusterfuck of traffic with police lights flashing everywhere, a helicopter with a searchlight flying overhead, and police searching people's cars.
Even when a shooting "only" injures 4 people (and we don't know of other injuries that may have resulted from all the panic and rushing through crowds and closing down venues), it still always hurts a community.
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Bishops Finger
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How dreadfully sad.
Clearly America is not yet Great again.... ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
(In all fairness, it could happen elsewhere, of course, but I'm afraid it's the US of A which seems to be taking the biscuit at the moment).
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Gamaliel
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I know from other sources that there was a school-shooting at one of our US Shipmates's work-places. I won't name them as it's better they tell the story themselves, if they feel able to ...
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Mercifully, no-one was killed in this very recent incident but two students are critically injured.
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It's a sorry state of affairs.
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mousethief
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Quite able. I mentioned it in All Saints. Technically speaking it was not a school shooting, as the students were not on campus, but ran back to campus to seek help after they were shot. It was apparently the result of an altercation between two groups of people, one of which included (or was comprised of) students from our school, and one of which did not.
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Golden Key
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jbohn
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MT -
As a school staff member, I can't imagine the trauma this brings to your whole community. Hang in there.
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Bishops Finger
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(I know this is Hell, but do we know if mousethief, his colleagues, and students are all OK? And if the injured students are out of danger?)
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Kyzyl
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
(I know this is Hell, but do we know if mousethief, his colleagues, and students are all OK? And if the injured students are out of danger?)
IJ
Not sure of this is MT's situation but this is from an hour ago...
Aztec NM shooting
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Kyzyl
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Oops, missed edit window. Not MT's situation but yet another fucking school shooting.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
(I know this is Hell, but do we know if mousethief, his colleagues, and students are all OK? And if the injured students are out of danger?)
IJ
The victims are expected to fully recover. I'm fine. There habe been am unusual number of absences the last 2 days since the incident. They have brought in extra counselors for people who want to talk about it, but that's about the extent of it. I expect if this had taken place on campus, things would be a lot more tense.
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Bishops Finger
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Thanks for the update - glad to hear it.
IJ
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alienfromzog
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Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
(I know this is Hell, but do we know if mousethief, his colleagues, and students are all OK? And if the injured students are out of danger?)
IJ
The victims are expected to fully recover. I'm fine. There habe been am unusual number of absences the last 2 days since the incident. They have brought in extra counselors for people who want to talk about it, but that's about the extent of it. I expect if this had taken place on campus, things would be a lot more tense.
So unHellish but, Thank you Jesus. Glad you're doing ok.
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p.s. FUCKING GUNS!
I wrote on Facebook recently the following:
Remember: guns don't kill, people do.
Coz a guy with a stick shouting 'bang' is just a deadly as the one with a semi-automatic rifle...
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Stejjie
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Reminds me of Eddie Izzard's very apposite quote:
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They say that 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' Well I think the gun helps. If you just stood there and yelled BANG, I don't think you'd kill too many people.
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Anselmina
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Like the Eddie Izzard quote. Surely the aphorism should be: guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people.
Kind of seems obvious.
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Bishops Finger
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But, sadly, not to many Usanians* (and others, of course).
*With all due respect, should that perhaps be Insanians ?
To many of us on this side of the pond, Usanian gun laws do indeed look madder than the maddest thing ever produced by the publishers of Madtown University Press.
IJ
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churchgeek
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
But, sadly, not to many Usanians* (and others, of course).
*With all due respect, should that perhaps be Insanians ?
To many of us on this side of the pond, Usanian gun laws do indeed look madder than the maddest thing ever produced by the publishers of Madtown University Press.
IJ
To many of us here, they do, too.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by churchgeek:
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
But, sadly, not to many Usanians* (and others, of course).
*With all due respect, should that perhaps be Insanians ?
To many of us on this side of the pond, Usanian gun laws do indeed look madder than the maddest thing ever produced by the publishers of Madtown University Press.
IJ
To many of us here, they do, too.
Amen, churchgeek!
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
Like the Eddie Izzard quote. Surely the aphorism should be: guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people.
Kind of seems obvious.
I like Rob Delany's quote
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Guns don’t kill people. People who say “Guns don’t kill people” kill people. With guns.
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romanlion
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quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
Like the Eddie Izzard quote. Surely the aphorism should be: guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people.
Kind of seems obvious.
Follow that logic to it's natural conclusion and surely the aphorism should be: hands don't kill people, people with hands kill people.
Guns, cars, knives, bats, bombs, planes and the like all requiring them...and hands of course needing no implement for the task...
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Gamaliel
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Well, it'd have taken a good while for the Las Vegas shooter to throttle all those people to death ..
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Gamaliel
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Can I ask a question, romanlion?
Where you born stupid or did you become that way?
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Follow that logic to it's natural conclusion and surely the aphorism should be: hands don't kill people, people with hands kill people.
Or in your case, the hand you're not using to wank with.
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RooK
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Originally trolled by romanlion:
[wanking sounds]
I give that troll a 2.5. Below even romanlion's usually poor standard. The usual lack of logic or insight, but without even any hint of style or panache.
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romanlion
editorial comment
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Because quoting Rob Delaney is so clever and stylish?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by romanlion:
quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
Like the Eddie Izzard quote. Surely the aphorism should be: guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people.
Kind of seems obvious.
Follow that logic to it's natural conclusion and surely the aphorism should be: hands don't kill people, people with hands kill people.
Guns, cars, knives, bats, bombs, planes and the like all requiring them...and hands of course needing no implement for the task...
You claim to be following logic. And you are. It's just that you didn't marry it with an ounce of practical sense.
Yes, okay, wet lettuces don't kill people. People with wet lettuces kill people. Or at least they try to. Very slowly. While their victims just stand there asking why.
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romanlion
editorial comment
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
Like the Eddie Izzard quote. Surely the aphorism should be: guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people.
Kind of seems obvious.
Follow that logic to it's natural conclusion and surely the aphorism should be: hands don't kill people, people with hands kill people.
Guns, cars, knives, bats, bombs, planes and the like all requiring them...and hands of course needing no implement for the task...
You claim to be following logic. And you are. It's just that you didn't marry it with an ounce of practical sense.
Yes, okay, wet lettuces don't kill people. People with wet lettuces kill people. Or at least they try to. Very slowly. While their victims just stand there asking why.
Unless there are statistics on wet lettuce murders, that would be a false equivalence.
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Alan Cresswell
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Do have statistics on mass murders by people using just their hands?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Do have statistics on mass murders by people using just their hands?
I don't, but I also don't recall posting anything about "mass" murders.
In a technical sense Jonestown come to mind though...
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orfeo
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Unless there are statistics on wet lettuce murders, that would be a false equivalence.
There are statistics on all kinds of things. The number of people that die on the toilet. The number of people killed by ladders. I'm sure we can find one on vegetables.
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Alan Cresswell
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It's a thread about mass murders. If you're going to make comments totally irrelevant to the thread topic you need to flag that clearly.
And, Jonestown was murder using just hands and cyanide. Ooops, that "and cyanide" means it wasn't just hands was it. Numpty.
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RuthW
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The problem with cyanide is it's not widely available.
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orfeo
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If only the early leaders of the USA had seen fit to provide that militias had the right to bear poison.
EDIT: You do have to wonder, though, what the "guns don't kill people" crowd think the whole point of the 2nd amendment was. I mean, if guns don't actually help with defeating your enemies, why did the militias need them? Why not just threaten your enemies with your bare hands?
So we have the ludicrous situation where people think it's terribly important to be able to bear arms (ignoring the militia part utterly these days), and yet insist that these arms won't actually harm people. They're just for decoration, or something.
That's it. The 2nd Amendment was passed so that folks could look impressive, and possibly compensate for inadequate sexual function.
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Golden Key
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Adding to our growing list ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) :
"Father kills gunman who threatened his children inside Popeye's in San Antonio" (Dallas News).
Went about the way you'd think. Besides our usual questions, why wouldn't an armed robber in Texas consider that their victim might be armed, too?
But, then, given the location and how he went about it, maybe he wasn't thinking clearly. (Let alone commiting armed robbery at all.)
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Adding to our growing list :
"Father kills gunman who threatened his children inside Popeye's in San Antonio" (Dallas News).
Went about the way you'd think.
Oh dear, GK...perhaps you haven't heard? I would refer you to the sage instruction 3 posts up...
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
It's a thread about mass murders. If you're going to make comments totally irrelevant to the thread topic you need to flag that clearly.
Dead guys that deserved it are for another thread, thank you very much.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Because quoting Rob Delaney is so clever and stylish?
If clever or style were criteria for posting here, you'd have been banned whilst registering.
Guns kill people is a perfectly succinct and sufficient way of saying that the presence of guns means more dead people, innocent included.
But as the "Guns don't kill people, people do" morons don't appear to comprehend this, cleverly phrased critiques of their idiotic attempt at aphorism are fun.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
...EDIT: You do have to wonder, though, what the "guns don't kill people" crowd think the whole point of the 2nd amendment was. I mean, if guns don't actually help with defeating your enemies, why did the militias need them?
That is a beautiful point.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Because quoting Rob Delaney is so clever and stylish?
I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?
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The story says she will be barred from owning a gun for life. How long until the NRA fights that in court?
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