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Alan Cresswell

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Originally posted by mousethief:
The story says she will be barred from owning a gun for life. How long until the NRA fights that in court?

I'd expect any normal person who has accidentally shot someone to not want to see a gun ever again, let alone own one.

Though, whether "normal person" applies to someone who decides to fire a gun at someone else for a stunt is another question. If it had been a Mythbusters "an Encyclopedia stops a bullet" you know they'd be firing at poor Buster the dummy.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The story says she will be barred from owning a gun for life. How long until the NRA fights that in court?

Not likely. She pled guilty to a felony, which automatically bars her from owning firearms per federal law. The argument to remove that would upend the "bad guys vs. good guys" narrative the NRA has been selling for all these years.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I'd expect any normal person who has accidentally shot someone to not want to see a gun ever again, let alone own one.

I suspect that this might be a function of your feelings about guns, though.

Consider someone who has accidentally run someone down in a car. I would certainly expect them to be a bit apprehensive about getting behind the wheel again, but I'd expect that the average person in that position would resume driving, because they consider cars to be a necessity of modern life.

So for someone who considers guns a normal or necessary part of life, I'd expect them, after similar apprehensive feelings when they first handle their guns after the accident, go back to their normal shooting habits.

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Though, whether "normal person" applies to someone who decides to fire a gun at someone else for a stunt is another question. If it had been a Mythbusters "an Encyclopedia stops a bullet" you know they'd be firing at poor Buster the dummy.

Not to mention that there are entire websites devoted to testing the penetrating power of various combinations of gun and ammunition, and that the gun used in this "stunt" was more akin to a pocket cannon than a peashooter. But we've already established that the heroes of this stunt aren't very bright.

[ 21. December 2017, 14:20: Message edited by: Leorning Cniht ]

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Meanwhile, here in gun-loving Phoenix, a teenage boy playing with a gun accidently shot and killed his friend.

How long, O Lord, how long?

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quote:
Originally posted by jbohn:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The story says she will be barred from owning a gun for life. How long until the NRA fights that in court?

Not likely. She pled guilty to a felony, which automatically bars her from owning firearms per federal law. The argument to remove that would upend the "bad guys vs. good guys" narrative the NRA has been selling for all these years.
Ahem.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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Everyone knows that shooting a political candidate is more efficient than defeating him at the polls.

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Alan Cresswell

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I'd expect any normal person who has accidentally shot someone to not want to see a gun ever again, let alone own one.

I suspect that this might be a function of your feelings about guns, though.

Consider someone who has accidentally run someone down in a car. I would certainly expect them to be a bit apprehensive about getting behind the wheel again, but I'd expect that the average person in that position would resume driving, because they consider cars to be a necessity of modern life.

Quite possibly true. Though, if someone causes death or injury with a car through their own fault (a conviction for dangerous driving, driving without due care etc) then they'll probably not have a choice as they'll have an extensive, or life time, ban from driving.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by jbohn:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The story says she will be barred from owning a gun for life. How long until the NRA fights that in court?

Not likely. She pled guilty to a felony, which automatically bars her from owning firearms per federal law. The argument to remove that would upend the "bad guys vs. good guys" narrative the NRA has been selling for all these years.
Ahem.
I stand corrected. Wow. That's a new level of hypocrisy, even for that slimebag...

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***HOLIDAY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT***


"Gun Safety during the Holidays: Ask to keep your children safe!" (Moms Rising).

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Do you know if they have an organisation for Dads with a similar name GK? [Two face]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
"Gun Safety during the Holidays: Ask to keep your children safe!" (Moms Rising).

Quote from the linked article:
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Her parents agreed to lock up all of their guns while their grandchildren were in the house
**All** of them? Good grief!

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Can't recall where I read this (and so cannot link), but came across an article in a mainstream publication claiming that 1 in 3 US households have guns on the premises, and that households with guns owned an average of 3 each.

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Searching for a holiday gun safety article was both enlightening and disappointing. IIRC, it used to be an annual thing. I tried more than one search engine, with a variety of terms. Lots of hits; but few with actual instructions. Leaned more towards ads for gun safes, occasional horror stories, and a couple of opinion pieces. There are some videos at news sites, but I didn't watch them.

Anyway, that was the best I found.

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Why would there need to be an emphasis on gun safety for the holidays? Is it really that much better that the guns are safely stored over Christmas if the children stumble across them when they visit in January? Gun safety is an all year round, 24/7 issue. Guns should always be kept as safe as can be (which since it's designed to be dangerous is never entirely safe). Of course, the safest is no gun at all.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Why would there need to be an emphasis on gun safety for the holidays? Is it really that much better that the guns are safely stored over Christmas if the children stumble across them when they visit in January?

You miss the point, perhaps due to pondial differences. The grandkids don't visit in January. For many Americans, Christmas is the one time a year when the whole family gets together. Especially when Grandma lives on the other coast, a 6-hour, multi-hundred-dollar plane ride away.

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Also because Christmas typically involves gifts. I've just seen commercials on TV for two different local gunstores, advertising their wares as gifts. One in particular claims to offer a "fun, family-friendly" atmosphere.

It doesn't hurt to remind the clueless nephew you've just bestowed a shotgun on that safety is important too.

[ 23. December 2017, 13:18: Message edited by: Ohher ]

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A gun for Christmas? Celebrate the beginning of a life with a tool to end someone else’s. 🤮

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In the real spirit of Christmas, let's talk about Satan, who as far as I know, led the first successful revolution, and by doing so won his own kingdom. Maybe it's time to start giving away guns to the homeless. My thoughts are that it's kind of like the saying: "give a person a fish and they eat for a day, teach them to fish and they eat for a lifetime".
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
A gun for Christmas? Celebrate the beginning of a life with a tool to end someone else’s. 🤮

Of course. This is the US of A, with that noted, sainted Christian evangelical president in charge, where all the women vie for Miss Amerrika titles, all the men are taking names and kicking ass, and all the nephews receiving weapons for Christmas are clueless, probably because those begetting them are clueless too.

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That is horrible, Rook

And yes, I laughed [Hot and Hormonal] [Roll Eyes]

I am relieved that my clueless nephew does like guns.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
Also because Christmas typically involves gifts. I've just seen commercials on TV for two different local gunstores, advertising their wares as gifts. One in particular claims to offer a "fun, family-friendly" atmosphere.

It doesn't hurt to remind the clueless nephew you've just bestowed a shotgun on that safety is important too.

And do NOT give ammunition with the gun. That'll prevent immediate accidents, and give the kid's parents a chance to decide whether they're really ok with the kid having a real gun.

I saw online something about the NRA (?) having a gun education/safety course for kids that *doesn't* involve shooting. I didn't follow it up. But whether it's "stay away from guns, and tell grownups if you find one"*, "here's how to tell if the safety is on", "don't ever point a gun at a person", "always assume a gun is loaded", "don't *play* with a gun, especially inside", or how to take a gun apart**, it's maybe a start.

*Possibly unlikely from the NRA.

**Which might dispel some of the magical thinking and allure.

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Golden Key
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
A gun for Christmas? Celebrate the beginning of a life with a tool to end someone else’s. 🤮

There's a modern-classic Christmas film about a boy getting a deeply-desired BB gun for Christmas. Haven't seen it.

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Locking up your guns, all the time they're not in use, is one of those nasty freedom-restricting Australian laws we introduced.

Yes, that's right, one of the freedoms we deprive gun owners of is the freedom to be utterly careless about leaving weapons where the kiddies can play with them. We're such authoritarian bastards.

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I confess to shock when I saw the first commercials for gun stores and also for shooting ranges on my local news channel.

They're not allowed to show commercials for cigarettes. They're not allowed to air images of people actually imbibing alcoholic beverages on TV.

But by all means, let's advertise "fun, family-friendly" guns.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that phrase.

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quote:
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I am relieved that my clueless nephew does like guns.

Huia

That should read doesn't like guns - maybe he's not so clueless.

Huia

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quote:
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... "fun, family-friendly" guns.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that phrase.

Absolutely. Oxymoron of the year.

Having said that, giving a gun as a Christmas present* without ammunition would probably elicit the same sort of tantrum as giving a games-console without the batteries.

* I really had trouble actually typing that - it's such a complete anathema.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
"Gun Safety during the Holidays: Ask to keep your children safe!" (Moms Rising).

Quote from the linked article:
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Her parents agreed to lock up all of their guns while their grandchildren were in the house
**All** of them? Good grief!

And she found that gun in a drawer, when she was looking for pain reliever. Did her parents hide the pills in their dresser, where they kept that gun? Or was the gun in a drawer in the kitchen or bathroom, where pain relievers are usually kept?
[Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Locking up your guns, all the time they're not in use, is one of those nasty freedom-restricting Australian laws we introduced.

Yes, that's right, one of the freedoms we deprive gun owners of is the freedom to be utterly careless about leaving weapons where the kiddies can play with them. We're such authoritarian bastards.

But look out - the kiwis are coming [Snigger]

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Be afraid...be very afraid.
[Paranoid] [Biased]

Of course, kiwis don't fly, do they? So I guess we don't have to worry about them up here!
[Biased]

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Are we mounting an invasion Zappa?

I bags one of the big, bright plastic guns you get from the Warehouse - not so much a water pistol, as a water sub-machine gun. I was going to buy one for the cat down the road for Christmas. [Two face]

Actually there are so many Kiwis over there anyway I doubt anyone would notice if we did.

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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:

Actually there are so many Kiwis over there anyway I doubt anyone would notice if we did.

Not sure if it still holds...
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Be afraid...be very afraid.
[Paranoid] [Biased]

Of course, kiwis don't fly, do they? So I guess we don't have to worry about them up here!
[Biased]

mwahaha!

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(Though, given the nature of this thread) ...

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quote:
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Be afraid...be very afraid.
[Paranoid] [Biased]

Of course, kiwis don't fly, do they? So I guess we don't have to worry about them up here!
[Biased]

I hear they paddle a mean canoe.

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I hear they paddle a mean canoe.

Better than paddling a mean gnu.

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I hear they paddle a mean canoe.

Better than paddling a mean gnu.
I dunno. That sounds pretty kink.

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[...] I bags one of the big, bright plastic guns you get from the Warehouse - not so much a water pistol, as a water sub-machine gun. I was going to buy one for the cat down the road for Christmas. [Two face] [...]

Huia

That's a nice and thoughtful gift for a feline, Huia. - However, I am slightly doubtful as to how the cat will use it. Does it come with instructions? And: can the cat read them?

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US Army war simulator modified to prepare teachers for school shootings

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The United States Army has developed a computer-based simulator that can train everyone from teachers to first responders on how to react to an active shooter scenario.

The Enhanced Dynamic Geo-Social Environment (EDGE) was originally designed to keep soldiers safe in a war situation, but is now being adapted for schools.

How on earth did we get to this for schools and potential teacher training? Or am I living in a fantasy world and this is the new reality?

But then, I think, if it helps save a life... It doesn't seem the gun situation is going to change short-term.

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I just got an all-church e-mail preparing us for a new procedure starting Sunday. As soon as the service begins all the doors will be locked. This is in response to a suggestion from one of our members who took an "Active Shooter," class.

The only statistic I could find on the odds of being shot in church said it was 1 in 6,552,000 or 0.00000015.

I can't go along with the "if it saves one life," thing because that sort of number has to offset the mental stress of the other 6 billion or so sitting in church feeling unwelcoming and paranoid. We're safest from church shootings if we don't go at all, but I don't think that's a good trade off.

The real risk that is escalated by this new rule is that one of the candles is going to set our pastor's robe on fire and as we all rush forward to help her we will forget to unlock the door for the medics and firemen.

The man who made the suggestion is a gun loving Republican and if he starts bringing his gun to church to protect me, I'll be stopping home.

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Originally posted by Twilight:


The man who made the suggestion is a gun loving Republican and if he starts bringing his gun to church to protect me, I'll be stopping home.

I hope so. I'm sure the roads are more dangerous than being locked in a church with even the most well-meaning gun-nut.

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Errr, so the freedom to bare arms has now in the process of removing the freedom of worshiping God in an unlocked building.

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Twilight, was this decision made by your church council (or equivalent) in consultation with the congregation?

If not, it seems your church is a dictatorship, and staying at home (or worshipping elsewhere, if possible) is by far the better option.

[Disappointed]

IJ

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Quite possibly true. Though, if someone causes death or injury with a car through their own fault (a conviction for dangerous driving, driving without due care etc) then they'll probably not have a choice as they'll have an extensive, or life time, ban from driving.
A much more appropriate take on the 'when you fall from the high trapeze, get straight back up there' school of gun toting.

I was a Royal Navy Marksman and we had it drilled into us that we should NEVER point, (even an unloaded), gun at ANYBODY unless we expressly intended to KILL THEM.

I have therefore little sympathy with either of the two imbeciles involved in the absolutely predictable 'death by moronic misadventure' of making a video of someone deliberately risking death by gunshot to the chest.

The idiot receiver of the bullet was fully deserving of a Darwin Award for services to mankind by preventing his genes entering the worldwide gene pool and thus reducing the average IQ. Unfortunately his girl friend still poses a threat, unless she responsibly remains celibate or gets herself sterilized.

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Quite possibly true. Though, if someone causes death or injury with a car through their own fault (a conviction for dangerous driving, driving without due care etc) then they'll probably not have a choice as they'll have an extensive, or life time, ban from driving.
A much more appropriate take on the 'when you fall from the high trapeze, get straight back up there' school of gun toting.

I was a Royal Navy Marksman and we had it drilled into us that we should NEVER point, (even an unloaded), gun at ANYBODY unless we expressly intended to KILL THEM.


Especially an unloaded gun. They are the most dangerous. How can you tell from the outside that a gun is unloaded?

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Errr, so the freedom to bare arms is now in the process of removing the freedom of worshiping God in an unlocked building.
Few are aware of the fact that if the church concerned were CofE in the UK and the service was a Wedding, it would be illegal to shut and lock the doors and further more the legality of the marriage could later possibly be successfully challenged as a result of the possible prevention of objections.

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Errr, so the freedom to bare arms is now in the process of removing the freedom of worshiping God in an unlocked building.
Few are aware of the fact that if the church concerned were CofE in the UK and the service was a Wedding, it would be illegal to shut and lock the doors and further more the legality of the marriage could later possibly be successfully challenged as a result of the possible prevention of objections.
I don't think church doors should be locked, but that is a stupid reason to not do it.

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Errr, so the freedom to bare arms has now in the process of removing the freedom of worshiping God in an unlocked building.

Well, I have heard of some conservative churches where women are required to wear clothing that has sleeves...

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I don't think church doors should be locked, but that is a stupid reason to not do it.
Nothing stupid about it at all. The Law of the land requires that anyone shall be able to raise legitimate objection to two people being joined in matrimony. Locked doors would prevent such objections thus rendering the proceedings suspect.

The reason is valid right up until the call has been made for "any just cause or impediment to the joining together in matrimony of these two people, to state their case now, or forever remain silent."

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