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Golden Key
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Not exactly, but I worry that could happen.
--Over-pressured teacher (health, divorce, finances, personal problems, buying their own supplies out of their own low salary, bringing breakfast for kids who don't get breakfast (yes, really)...);
mixed with
--out of control kid/class, day after day;
--too much noise;
--troublesome superiors and bureaucracy;
--traffic to/from school.
Mix all those together.
Add the moment when everything is .Just. .Too. .Much.
And the teacher can't walk away, or get any relief.
And add a loqe3e gun in teacher's pocket, purse, desk, backpack, supply closet.
Good chance someone will get hurt.
Teachers blow up and yell at students, abuse students, throw things in the classroom, throw kids up against walls and into lockers.
Most teachers probably don't do those things. But some do, and anyone can be overwhelmed.
And they're supposed to have concealed weapons?
Never mind kids getting their hands on the weapons--for fun, out of curiosity, as a prank, or worse.
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Doc Tor
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No, you don't have to imagine that, because it's happening.
So, there haven't been 18 school shootings since Jan 1. In the Snopes article debunking the claim, there's a section on 'unintentional gunfire during school hours'
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Unintentional gunfire during school hours: 3 (incidents resulting in injuries or deaths: 1)
10 January: Grayson College, Denison, Texas – A student fired a weapon belonging to an adviser, believing it wasn’t loaded. No injuries were reported.
1 February: Salvador B. Castro Middle School, Los Angeles – A semi-automatic handgun brought to school by a 12-year-old student accidentally went off. Four students were injured.
5 February: Harmony Learning Center, Maplewood, Minnesota – A third-grader pressed the trigger of a law enforcement officer’s handgun. The weapon went off but no one was injured.
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Barnabas62
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President Trump's latest contribution is a predictable follow up from the NRA view that "the answer to a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun".
Truth is, you can have the best security checks in the world, but no guarantees that teachers, or police officers, or security guards, will never lose it. People who have always behaved well can snap and behave badly.
The evidence from across the world is that the more guns there are in circulation, the greater the chance that they will be used malevolently. It's akin to exposure to viruses. The idea that you can rely on the inherent goodness of some people to foil the inherent badness of others doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
No, you don't have to imagine that, because it's happening.
So, there haven't been 18 school shootings since Jan 1. In the Snopes article debunking the claim, there's a section on 'unintentional gunfire during school hours'
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Unintentional gunfire during school hours: 3 (incidents resulting in injuries or deaths: 1)
10 January: Grayson College, Denison, Texas – A student fired a weapon belonging to an adviser, believing it wasn’t loaded. No injuries were reported.
1 February: Salvador B. Castro Middle School, Los Angeles – A semi-automatic handgun brought to school by a 12-year-old student accidentally went off. Four students were injured.
5 February: Harmony Learning Center, Maplewood, Minnesota – A third-grader pressed the trigger of a law enforcement officer’s handgun. The weapon went off but no one was injured.
It's another example of a common statistic, when guns are present there will always be a small rate of accidents. A rate of accidents that far exceeds the gains from the rare occasions when a "good guy with a gun" actually prevents a potential tragedy.
Even if you discount the increased rates of non-accidental incidents (suicides, people snapping when a gun is accessible) reducing the rate of accidents is more than reason enough to reduce the number of guns in schools rather than increase the number - and, for the rest of the nation too.
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Golden Key
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Who's taking on cults these days? I know there are some sane people in the NRA. But, overall, it acts like a cult.
Cults getting guns has always been a warning sign. Synanon, Elizabeth Clare Prophet's group, and I think Jonestown/People's Temple wound up with guns, too.
The NRA already has guns. And a lot more people than any of the named cults.
Paging all deprogrammers!
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Barnabas62
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Not sure if this helps, but there is a parallel example in the UK associated with road traffic deaths.
In the 1960s, road traffic deaths per annum were around 6,000. Two pieces of legislation were introduced and both were opposed by some folks on grounds of infringement of freedoms.
The first was the breathalyser law, which enabled police to check on the sobriety of drivers and then carry out blood alcohol level tests. It introduced the idea of absolute offence for alcohol levels above the limit, or refusing to be tested.
The second was the compulsory wearing of seatbelts, again an absolute offence if you were caught.
Both pieces of legislation were backed by evidence that drunk driving was a major cause of road deaths and that seat belts reduced significantly the numbers of deaths when cars were in collisions.
Today, despite a massive increase in car ownership in the UK since the 1960's, road traffic deaths are less than a third of the 1960s levels.
The loss of personal freedoms caused by these legislative changes is almost universally recognised in the UK as a very small price to pay for the significant reduction in the death rate.
If you want to (and that is probably the key) you can apply similar conditional arguments to the rights claimed under the Second Amendment. The constitutional right to life and the constitutional right of liberty require a proper balance. The evidence is very strong that the death rate would come down if you apply some sensible oversight of the right to bear arms. Even if that implies some loss of present freedoms. The evidence is too strong to be ignored.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
you can apply similar conditional arguments to the rights claimed under the Second Amendment. The constitutional right to life and the constitutional right of liberty require a proper balance.
The balance being that the right to have a gun infringes the rights of others (and yourself) to life and liberty. To life because guns kill. To liberty because the fear of gun violence is trapping people in their homes or other places they feel safe. It seems a bizarre situation when some would appear to consider the right to carry a gun trumps the right to life and liberty.
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I suspect this is unnecessary here but on one of the right-wing-idiot threads I saw on FB, this does need spelling out.
There are lots of reasons why arming teachers is plain stupid but let's be clear on what we are talking about.
You'll hear terms like 'assault rifle' or 'semi-automatic' thrown around. On the aforementioned RWI-thread, one of the contributors was making lots of noise about it's not an assault rifle - that's a made up term by liberal idiots - you don't know what you're talking about... This is stupid semantics - I don't care what you call them, we are talking about firearms that fire multiple rounds without the user needing to reload and because the mechanics are sophisticated, they can fire multiple rounds in a second.
These are the kind of weapons that I don't believe belongs in the hands of civilians; they require significant training to be able to use safely (i.e. not hurting yourself or someone else accidentally) and to actually hit what you want to hit.
Now, this is a hypothetical I've been using a lot recently; in the UK and the US (and any most developed countries) we have a standing army trained to use such weapons. That makes sense. I think most of us can see why the infantry would use such a weapon in the context of war. Now picture the scene; Private Smith (fully trained and competent in the use of the M16 with its 30-round clip) decides that he wants to go hunting at the weekend and so goes and talks to his gunnery sergeant:
"Hey sarge, can I take my M16 home for the weekend?"
I suspect the NCO will not be very impressed but in the US he can just go down the road and buy one...
So what kind of weapons are teachers going to carry? Sidearms which are very difficult to shoot accurately - especially under stress? Some sort of semi-automatic that they need to keep in the classroom cupboard?
And moreover who's going to provide the vital training? In a system that is undoubted under-resourced as it is....
Teachers having guns simply means more people getting shot.
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Golden Key
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I'm guessing the NRA would do the training. AIUI they do have different kinds of training.
As to what guns teachers would have, I think I've been visualizing pistol-sized guns, not rifles nor machine guns. ISTM you can't really do concealed carry of a rifle. AIUI, concealed carry means you carry the gun on your person, or possibly in a purse, bag, etc.
Schools shouldn't have guns. But if they do, they should be kept in the office, with multiple locks. Of course, that would probably mean they couldn't be gotten quickly enough in an emergency.
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Yep. Teachers having guns at school means more teachers dead.
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Barnabas62
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How many teachers are assaulted by pupils every year? Not thinking about the mass shootings. The risk of that would argue against teachers being armed in the classroom. The risk of being overpowered and the gun falling into the hands of angry pupils would be real.
So GK is right, the guns would have to be locked away securely. So if a mass shooting incident occurred, there would be an interval before teachers could get to the guns. How would that be better than a rapid police response?
Doesn't this whole idea fall apart purely on grounds of practicality?
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Alan Cresswell
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I'm guessing the NRA would do the training. AIUI they do have different kinds of training.
How good is their training though? Good enough that someone could hit a moving target, at a distance, in the midst of a chaotic crowd of people running in different directions? Good enough to identify the bad guy from other students running around, to be able to differentiate between a long gun and an umbrella during a confusing and tense situation? Be able to identify the bad guy from other good guys on the scene who may also be armed (other teachers, plain clothes police who may be attending, a parent etc)? Be well enough trained in storage and handling that the gun will never be discharged accidentally, never be touched by a student or other untrained person?
IMO, training necessary to allow anyone to be armed such that they would be able to deal with the situation adequately (it's a situation that can never be handled well) and that the gun is kept safe enough that an accident will be much less likely than the incident they're seeking to prevent is significant. AIUI it's a level of training in excess of that provided to most police officers in the US (which means they also need better training).
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Even as Trump was explaining the plans to train and arm some teachers in the classroom, did it not occur to him how huge an admission of failure it was to have gotten that far?
Does he really want to live in a country where it's normal for children's education to be protected by armed teachers? Is that a forward step, in this issue?
What he seems to be saying is: now that it's part of our culture to see kids killed in the classroom, let's just suck it up, and shoot back.
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But does he do grown-up, joined-up, thinking?
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
...Doesn't this whole idea fall apart purely on grounds of practicality?
It's not about practicality. It's about enjoying the warm, fuzzy feeling of fantasising about being John Wayne defending the classroom from the bad guys.
If you mentally translate "2nd Amendment" to "masturbation", it all makes crazy sense.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I'm guessing the NRA would do the training. AIUI they do have different kinds of training.
I think it's adorably retro that you think the NRA is going to do the training, like they used to back in the days when they actually were a club for gun owners and hunters-- before Wayne LePierre figured out there's so much more money in being a lobbyist for gun manufacturers.
It's like expecting your physician to make house calls, or the milkman to deliver a dozen eggs
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Alan Cresswell
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It's not about practicality. It's about enjoying the warm, fuzzy feeling of fantasising about being John Wayne defending the classroom from the bad guys.
But, how many of those saying the solution is to give guns to teachers are going to be in that classroom to be John Wayne? They're not getting warm fuzzies about a fantasy where they're the hero, they're getting warm fuzzies about fantasies where someone else is the hero - and, where someone else has to deal with what happens when there's an accident with the gun, someone else has to live with harming someone else even in the defence of school kids and all the other burdens that having a gun (letting alone using it) brings. Piling burdens on the shoulders of others and not lifting a finger to help ease the load.
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Doc Tor
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I give it six months before the first teacher has a Falling Down moment and opens fire on their class.
I mean, I don't want it to happen, but statistically, it's going to.
Then what do we do except arm the kids against the teachers?
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I give it six months before the first teacher has a Falling Down moment and opens fire on their class.
I mean, I don't want it to happen, but statistically, it's going to.
Then what do we do except arm the kids against the teachers?
No, no. You have an assistant who aids the children in their work, aids in suppressive fire to any outside intruder and keeps the teacher in check.
If that system fails, then you arm the students.
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The NRA firmly believes that 'good' people with guns can take out 'bad' people with guns. They watch a lot of movies.
There was an armed guard at Parkland high school. He was on the other side of the building (American high schools are huge, vast spaces with miles of corridors) and knew nothing until it was over. There were armed guards standing closely around President Reagan, the day he was shot. Did him no good at all.
If you, a good guy, were sitting in that school with your gun when an incident occurs, the chances are poor that you will take that killer out. The odds are much greater that the police will see you standing there with your pistol in your hand, and shoot you down. How do they know you are a 'good guy'? It's a crisis. Shoot first, ask later.
And this doesn't even take into consideration the issue of long-range shooting. Like Las Vegas. You and your gun, a lot of good it'll do you when the shooter is up on the 20th floor with a long gun.
This is from the POST: courts say the Second Amendment doesn't protect assault rifles. This will have to go up to the Supreme Court; I'm certain the NRA is fighting it.
From the Guardian, a roundup of quotations from yesterday's gun control meetings. I am so proud of these teens!
Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, accuses us all of hating individual freedoms. I'll believe him when he allows open carry at NRA events; at the moment guns are banned at their convention. Can't think why.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Piling burdens on the shoulders of others and not lifting a finger to help ease the load.
That sums it up very well.
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Yes, ISTM that that's what most 'governments' do.
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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Piling burdens on the shoulders of others and not lifting a finger to help ease the load.
That sums it up very well.
Not ours. Ours is busy dismantling regulations that protected the environment, clean drinking water. Regulations that helped prevent financial melt downs. Dismantling a safety net that insured access to health care. Yes, it's a great big beautiful world here in U.S. Now that the govt is off our backs and we've returned to the Wild Wild West and every man for himself (God help you if you're a woman or child)
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Supposing (and hoping), however, that a sensible administration takes over when t is finally consigned to the Outer Darkness he and his have created...
Will that administration be able to rebuild that which has been, and is being, torn down?
Or is it all too late for that?
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Hadn't appreciated that AR-15s are so lethal , and I'm sure not many of us this side of the pond are either.
It's really difficult to see how sales of such weapons to civilians can be justified - though I'm sure the NRA would have a damned good try!
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Bishops Finger
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Reading that link made me feel quite sick.
How anyone can justify the free sale of such ghastly weapons to civilians is beyond me.
Perhaps the Dark Orange Lord should wear 'AR-15' on his cuffs, rather than '45'?
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By and large, the sort of people who go into teaching are nice people who want to make kids lives better. There are probably some who are, to quote a description of my namesake, a dead shot with a cold nerve to kill as well but I'm guessing they are a minority. So the school administration bullies Mr or Mrs Smith into packing heat and then gives them a training course on how to use the weapon. Either they meet the low level of proficiency in firing a gun under non-life threatening conditions or they turn out to be a total klutz. So you have Mr or Mrs Smith, who is an excellent maths teacher, but can't hit a barn door at one hundred paces. Do you really sack them and replace them with someone with a shaky grasp of calculus but an pass in shooting stuff? If the latter you've given up on education. Now you could have a system where some teachers can handle guns and some can't, which, I think is what Trump has hinted at but what use is that. If someone turns up with an automatic weapon and starts emptying it into 4th grade maths, it won't be much use if the fucking Equaliser is teaching 3rd grade English in another building. Unless they've employed that guy who used to materialise in Doctor Who monthly in the early eighties, shoot the shit out of stuff, and teleport out again. I suspect, however, he's not sending his CV to School Principals at the moment. And knowing how to handle a gun in a crisis situation is not the same as being able to handle a gun on a range. I could learn to handle a gun on a range. I'm not sure how much use I'd be in a combat zone. There is a reason some things remain the province of experts.
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I can't imagine any teacher's union or other bargaining group that would allow its members to be required to carry guns.
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Barnabas62
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I think today's statements are just diversionary tactics, by both the President and the NRA. They simply do not want to look at the lethal cost of the Second Amendment, as currently interpreted and policed.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
I can't imagine any teacher's union or other bargaining group that would allow its members to be required to carry guns.
As was pointed out at work, it's also a system where the absolute best case outcome is where someone puts down someone they've been responsible for nurturing, etc... which:
a) is better than seeing others you care for being killed, but is still a pretty shit outcome.
b) must be bloody hard to do, which means you'd need good odds.
c) once you have got someone trained like that, do you really want them in charge of kids (as mentioned above)
d) probably polarises things from the nearly shooters (I don't know if a significant number get talked down, or stop once they've dealt with they grudge, I gather the statistics are nearly as well hidden as brexit reports)
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Indeed it is.
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These articulate, thoughtful kids - shaved heads, impolite questions, and all - must surely be an inspiration, and a sign of hope for the future.
Dark Orange Lord, your time, and that of your hideous minions, is limited.
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Alan Cresswell
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"what would you do if your child lectured and ridiculed a U.S. Senator on national television?", if they behaved like those children I'd be leading the standing ovation.
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Actually, I sincerely hope you'd be manning your cell phone and recording it. The kid will be needing that, to enclose with her application to Harvard or Yale.
A free click from GQ about why rudeness is sometimes essential.
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What's wrong with ridiculing senators? Who do they think they are, that they hold themselves above criticism? Fucking snowflakes.
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If the shoe fits, wear it.
The expression "contempt of Congress" always strikes me as ironic. If there's any institution that soundly and solidly deserves contempt, it's certainly Congress -- at least the Congress of fast-talking, back-slapping (and back-stabbing) hypocrites we seem to have sent to Washington. All too ready to lick the crotches of whatever lobby gives them the most money rather than do the will of the people who **are** the government of the country they were elected to represent.
So yeah, students, diss them with the diss they so rightly deserve. You have our support -- and our gratitude.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
What's wrong with ridiculing senators? Who do they think they are, that they hold themselves above criticism? Fucking snowflakes.
They're already, cringingly, refusing to show up at town hall meetings. Defending their actions is too, too painful. There was a piece today on NPR about the FL students going from office to office at the state house in Tallahassee, seeing legislators. They hid, leaving staffers to fob the kids off.
And you remember the cabinet secretary who has been flying to events First Class -- his staffers sit in the back in coach. And why is that? He sat back with the poors once, and some prole told him he was destroying the environment. So delicate, so sensitive, was he (his skin so thin a kiss would mar it) that we have to now pay triple for him to fly with those of his own order. In first class people -understand-.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If you, a good guy, were sitting in that school with your gun when an incident occurs, the chances are poor that you will take that killer out. The odds are much greater that the police will see you standing there with your pistol in your hand, and shoot you down. How do they know you are a 'good guy'? It's a crisis. Shoot first, ask later.
After the Colorado movie theater shooting happened, locals there responded by buying guns. And I thought exactly what you wrote.
What are people going to do, shoot up the movie theater in the dark???
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cliffdweller and Alan--
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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I'm guessing the NRA would do the training. AIUI they do have different kinds of training.
I think it's adorably retro that you think the NRA is going to do the training, like they used to back in the days when they actually were a club for gun owners and hunters-- before Wayne LePierre figured out there's so much more money in being a lobbyist for gun manufacturers.
It's like expecting your physician to make house calls, or the milkman to deliver a dozen eggs
Oh, I didn't say that they *should* do the training, or that they'd do it well. And they do currently do various gun training courses.
I just think, given how enmeshed they are with the gov't, that either
a) The prez and/or Congress will call up the head NRA guy and say "Hey, Wayne, you're the only ones who can really do this, and we have a generous contract ready";
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b) The head NRA guy will call up the prez and/or Congress and say "Hey, folks, we're the only ones who can really do this, and we have a reasonable contract ready".
The NRA gets some good PR for helping people and the gov't in a dangerous time, and gets to push the "guns aren't so bad" idea. The prez and Congress get more NRA money.
And the enmeshment continues.
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They believe the scriptwriter is on their side. I hope it doesn't take some awful firefight with bodies everywhere to convince everybody different.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
What's wrong with ridiculing senators? Who do they think they are, that they hold themselves above criticism? Fucking snowflakes.
They're already, cringingly, refusing to show up at town hall meetings. Defending their actions is too, too painful. There was a piece today on NPR about the FL students going from office to office at the state house in Tallahassee, seeing legislators. They hid, leaving staffers to fob the kids off.
Cowards.
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I just ordered an AR upper build kit. It will arrive on my steps in 3 days. The serialized lower will be available to pick up from a nearby shop in a week. I also got 1000 rounds of NATO 5.56 for 280 bucks!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
My girls (9 and 14) are excited to help build a weapon they have both fired before, but never seen assembled. We'll take it on our annual camping trip in June and burn up those rounds at the Cedar Creek rifle range in the Sumter National Forest.
It will be great fun, and all for less than $1000!
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That seems the best course of action.
Better odds of a stray dropping through what passes for your brain, fuck-stick.
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There’ve been a few wastes of carbon on SOF.
None moreso than you.
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I don't know what an AR is. I assume it is an assault rifle designed to kill or incapacitate a large number of enemy soldiers quickly.
Certainly the best place to use your weapon is on a shooting range, and you are probably being sensible in teaching your daughters about guns. After all, if the US doesn't do something about restricting the availability of weapons designed for military uses, they will have to attend a weaponised High School sooner or later. Although, thinking about that, if your kids think they know how to handle a weapon, they might try to rush a shooter and catch a bullet in the crossfire between the shooter and their teacher. Perhaps its better if you focus on teaching them to hide in unusual places.
Hang on, in Australia most teachers are socialists or liberals from an American perspective. Is that the case in America? Is the NRA proposing to arm and train THE LEFT????
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
There’ve been a few wastes of carbon on SOF.
None moreso than you.
That is truly painful, coming from a stammering half-wit of your stature.
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This is interesting. Suggests the American should repeal their 2nd Amendment. "Why not just ban gun and when people are upset about it, just send them thoughts and prayers? If ‘thoughts and prayers’ are good enough for people who’ve lost their families, then it’s good enough for people who’ve lost their guns".
Gundamentalist is a useful word.
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