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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I've seen the same phenomenon with Orlando, of course. People declaring there was something fishy about there being no security at the club simply because they haven't read the news reports that say there WAS security at the club. People saying "why didn't people escape out the back" when a whole lot of people did escape out the back.

Wow, that's bananas. I must have the right FB friends, because I never caught a whiff of those particular rumors.

And rolyn-- straight up. If something newsworthy happens and I want to know more about it, I look for the inevitable Ship thread, with the confidence that bullshit sifting will already be well underway.

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mr cheesy
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I also read that the labour vote in her constituency was overwhelmingly against her stand on the EU, which was well known locally. She went back on Wednesday from Westminster to try to persuade people to change their minds.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And rolyn-- straight up. If something newsworthy happens and I want to know more about it, I look for the inevitable Ship thread, with the confidence that bullshit sifting will already be well underway. [/QB]

I was lurking the Ship at the time of the Brevic killings in Norway. The way a running thread dealt with that terrible terrible event was awesome. The first thing to be debunked was that the fellow was a Christian nutter.

Total bollocks as it turned out. A lone wolf who had pumped himself with shit off the Net was how it panned out.

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Doublethink.
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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
FWIW it is being reported that police have found Neo-Nazi materials at the suspecrs' address.

The BBC is also now reporting that the older man wounded in the abdomen had intervened trying to protect Jo Cox.

Also that the suspect has had a specialist health assessmnet and been deemed fit to be interviewed and detained.

So he may have been mentally ill, but not currently acutely so.

[ 17. June 2016, 18:58: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]

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If you want to do something more positive in response to the murder of Jo Cox, please check out my sig.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:

Fear and tension is in the air, this bloody referendum. Hands up who'll be glad when it is over.

If we vote to leave it will not be all over it will be just the start of an economic & political roller coaster.

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Alan Cresswell

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Has he said anything specifically about the referendum?

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unite to fight against the hatred that killed her
I think you'd have to have a particularly tin ear not to interpret that as an explicit call.

It presupposes that "the hatred that killed her" is the Brexit campaign. I read it as racism/xenophobia more generally, that filthy undercurrent in British society that she was fighting in her maiden speech proclaiming the wonders of her multi-cultural, multi-ethnic home town. A general hatred of others that has found a voice in the Brexit campaign, but exists independently of it (and, which won't be silenced by a Brexit, nor even if the UK enforces draconian anti-immigrant legislation).

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A general hatred of others that has found a voice in the Brexit campaign, but exists independently of it (and, which won't be silenced by a Brexit, nor even if the UK enforces draconian anti-immigrant legislation).

No it won't. Especially now it's been legitimised by supposedly respectable political parties.

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balaam

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They get no respect from me.

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Eutychus
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Maybe not, but in our social theatre, they play the role of "what is respectable". In abusing that role, they lose respect, but so, indirectly, do the institutions they represent.

The problem is that while it's easy to lose respect in such circumstances, finding something viable to respect that will actually hold a country and a democracy together is a lot harder.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A general hatred of others that has found a voice in the Brexit campaign, but exists independently of it (and, which won't be silenced by a Brexit, nor even if the UK enforces draconian anti-immigrant legislation).

No it won't. Especially now it's been legitimised by supposedly respectable political parties.
This is just a different form of the racism that has existed in Europe for decades. I remember attempting to have discussions of multiculturalism and immigration 10 years ago with Europeans (on another site) and they thought I was nuts to suggest people of different faiths and cultures could get along. Even when I pointed out to them the different backgrounds of people I worked with, they scoffed at the idea of acceptance of others, suggesting I was just being tolerated.

Don't get me wrong.

Multiculturalism is not easy or simple to do. My wife (white, older, of a generally cheery disposition and not petite) is subject to racism on transit routinely by some non-whites both male and female who expect her to give in to their demand for her to get up for them. They seem to think she has white person's guilt and thus will do whatever they want. Now she has a cane she is getting slightly less of this but it still occurs - 30 year old people telling her to stand up so they can have a seat.

The idea that dealing with people of different groups is easy is a myth. Just as the idea that only whites can be racist or feel privilege.

Dealing with differences takes hard work.

But it is doable.

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Arethosemyfeet
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Just in case anyone's still trying to spin this as random, the police are now saying that Jo Cox was the victim of a targeted attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-killing-suspect-far-right-links-a-priority-line-of-inquiry

They're also saying that the investigation of the perpetrator's links to the far right are major line of inquiry.

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That's the line of enquiry they are pursuing, and personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the police haven't already found a lot of supporting evidence. The question of premeditation is key to resolving the nature of the crime and the charge. Whether there are accessories before the fact (e.g. in the supply of weapons, or in the planning) will also be of interest to the police.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:


I struggle to find much difference in tone between "You see? Proof the Leave campaign is nasty" and "You see? Proof we have to take action against Muslims". They're both variations of "I told you so" that lack nuance.

Absolutely. And how about this:

"Don't vote Leave because if you do you are complicit in facism and murder".

I can see that one going down really well on the doorsteps.

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balaam

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quote:
Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Just in case anyone's still trying to spin this as random, the police are now saying that Jo Cox was the victim of a targeted attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-killing-suspect-far-right-links-a-priority-line-of-inquiry

They're also saying that the investigation of the perpetrator's links to the far right are major line of inquiry.

That's negative politics for you. The more politicians talk about what they are against the more the nutjobs that support them will do something stupid.

The sad irony is that Jo Cox was a politician who campaigned positivity. We need more politicians to act as passionately and compassionately as she did.

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Paul.
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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
The sad irony is that Jo Cox was a politician who campaigned positivity. We need more politicians to act as passionately and compassionately as she did.

I actually think a lot do. Cox seems to have been an example par excellence but I believe/hope not the only one by far.

I'm really hoping that this incident and the spotlight it's cast on a good hard-working principled politician will dispel some of the "they're all as bad as each other" attitude - which is often just a way of disengaging with the process and abdicating responsibility.

The danger is she'll become a martyr, a secular saint, and therefore a special case. So far above the rest of them (us!) we don't see her as someone to emulate, merely to venerate. (which I'd argue is always the tension with Saints but that's another thread for another place)

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
That's the line of enquiry they are pursuing, and personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the police haven't already found a lot of supporting evidence. The question of premeditation is key to resolving the nature of the crime and the charge. Whether there are accessories before the fact (e.g. in the supply of weapons, or in the planning) will also be of interest to the police.

I think it's going to be bloody hard for him to avoid the conclusion he premeditated SOMETHING. In the UK carrying those weapons is not a casual event.

PS "Bullshit sifting" is one of the most perfect descriptions of the Ship ever. Thank you Kelly.

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Barnabas62
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He's facing several charges; murder,gbh, possession of a firearm with intent, possession of another offensive weapon.

I think the speed of charging and the range of the charges are both indicators that the evidence is substantial and strong.

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SusanDoris

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quote:
Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Just in case anyone's still trying to spin this as random, the police are now saying that Jo Cox was the victim of a targeted attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-killing-suspect-far-right-links-a-priority-line-of-inquiry

They're also saying that the investigation of the perpetrator's links to the far right are major line of inquiry.

Thank you for posting that link - I've read through it - very interesting.

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mdijon
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I posted before about the problems in comparing Islam with Britain First. To go through the comparable elements;

Islam => Christianity
Britain First => Finsbury Park Mosque (i.e. place where radical Islamist doctrine is being preached but not necessarily incontrovertible evidence of Jihadi activity)
Lone wolf murderer of Jo Cox => Omar Mateen.

So we don't start saying that Christianity or UK culture generally is to blame and we shouldn't say that Islam generally is to blame.

We can locate elements of intemperate political discourse in Britain First and other political aspects of life in the UK which don't help the environment in which troubled individuals decide what to do, and we can do the same over Finsbury Park Mosque. But it probably isn't that useful to tar the entire leave campaign or large swathes of Islamic society in the UK.

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I would suggest that atmosphere surrounding a referendum, particularly one on an issue which many people care so passionately about, is not helpful for troubled individuals. A referendum is about a binary choice, unlike a general election where there are multiple parties competing, often offering similar policies. A referendum invites us to divide into "us" and "them", and invites rhetoric and slogans that reflect this.

I happened to notice a Scum headline a few days ago alleging that the "anti-brexit gang" had published a porn video as part of the campaign. Can't say what it was about because I would never intentionally read that benighted rag, but a case in point. Things like this influence people, if only subliminally.

This country is not currently a healthy environment for people who already have tendencies towards paranoia and aggression.

How do I hate this fucking referendum...let me count the ways.

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mr cheesy
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It seems like we're in for a period where the suspect shouts fascist slogans in court.

Which is more than slightly disturbing but also darkly hilarious.

The one thing fascists and Neo-Nazis can't stand is being laughed at. Haha. You think you can kill a young mother in the street and that proves your argument.

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Rocinante
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My last post was far too balanced. The guy's a murdering fascist dickhead, hope he gets gang-raped in whatever hellhole he spends the rest of life in.
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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Rocinante:
My last post was far too balanced. The guy's a murdering fascist dickhead, hope he gets gang-raped in whatever hellhole he spends the rest of life in.

The best thing we could do is give him a fair trial and then smother him with kindness. Reacting with anger and violence is exactly what he wants.

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Barnabas62
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What an awful outburst. For overseas Shipmates, here is the BBC account.

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
What an awful outburst. For overseas Shipmates, here is the BBC account.

I want to know how he is spelling that. Is it hyphenated?

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Rocinante
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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
What an awful outburst. For overseas Shipmates, here is the BBC account.

I want to know how he is spelling that. Is it hyphenated?
[Killing me] It's prounounced "luxury-yacht"
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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
What an awful outburst. For overseas Shipmates, here is the BBC account.

And just to draw a comparison here. This is a quote from a Britain First newsletter just before the London mayoral election:

"They think they can get away with ruining our country, turning us into a Third World country, giving away our homes, jobs and heritage, but they will face the wrath of the Britain First movement, make no mistake about it!

We will not rest until every traitor is punished for their crimes against our country. And by punished, I mean good old fashioned British justice at the end of a rope!
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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
And just to draw a comparison here. This is a quote from a Britain First newsletter just before the London mayoral election:

"They think they can get away with ruining our country, turning us into a Third World country, giving away our homes, jobs and heritage, but they will face the wrath of the Britain First movement, make no mistake about it!

We will not rest until every traitor is punished for their crimes against our country. And by punished, I mean good old fashioned British justice at the end of a rope!"

Haha haha.

Ooo the wrath of British First. Ooo we're all pooing our pants.

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I predict Britain First will find its way rapidly onto the list of banned organisations, and its organisers will retreat back under the stones where they hide during daylight hours. Everyone connected will migrate to the EDF (if they're not already there) and it'll begin again.

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I predict Britain First will find its way rapidly onto the list of banned organisations, and its organisers will retreat back under the stones where they hide during daylight hours. Everyone connected will migrate to the EDF (if they're not already there) and it'll begin again.

Oh probably. The one good thing about fascists is that they're fairly easy to identify because they just don't shut up about it.

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Anyone now in any doubt at all that this suppurating arsehole was inspired and driven by the same sort of rhetoric that has spewed forth from the leave campaign?
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Barnabas62
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Was Tommy Mair a member of "Britain First"? I think the accounts of what he said (or didn't say) during the attack on Jo Cox are confused; at least that's how I read them. I've seen no evidence that he was in fact a member of "Britain First".

I think "Britain First" is an appalling organisation and indeed there may be grounds (hate speech) for banning it. The outburst in court gives some grounds for believing that Tommy Mair may indeed have read some of the "Britain First" propaganda.

But I'm happy again to leave to police investigators to see if there has been any direct criminal involvement (including aiding and abetting, or incitement) between "Britain First" or any of its members and this shooting.

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62: Was Tommy Mair a member of "Britain First"? I think the accounts of what he said (or didn't say) during the attack on Jo Cox are confused; at least that's how I read them. I've seen no evidence that he was in fact a member of "Britain First".

I think "Britain First" is an appalling organisation and indeed there may be grounds (hate speech) for banning it. The outburst in court gives some grounds for believing that Tommy Mair may indeed have read some of the "Britain First" propaganda.

But I'm happy again to leave to police investigators to see if there has been any direct criminal involvement (including aiding and abetting, or incitement) between "Britain First" or any of its members and this shooting.

I predict Mr Britain will be shouting his allegiance to various groups in court, so I don't suppose there will be much to investigate.

I'd forgotten how how vocal these idiots are and how proud of what they've done.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Anyone now in any doubt at all that this suppurating arsehole was inspired and driven by the same sort of rhetoric that has spewed forth from the leave campaign?

Nope. I'm sold.

I hope he's never released.

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I apologise for being flippant, I know this is serious. I just refuse to kowtow to these fascist bastards. If they win and succeed in dragging this country down, they'll do so with me laughing manically in their faces.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I predict Mr Britain will be shouting his allegiance to various groups in court, so I don't suppose there will be much to investigate.

An easy prediction to make,
This was published at 10.33 today, an hour before you made that prediction.

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Originally posted by balaam:
An easy prediction to make,
This was published at 10.33 today, an hour before you made that prediction.

I was talking about his allegiance to fascist and neo-Nazi groups. Today's case was in the magistrate's court, on Monday it is moved to the Crown Court where he'll have more opportunities to shout inanities.

In time, my bet is that his "defence" will be a quasi-political scree about the rightness of his cause and who all his mates are - probably written in crayon and littered with spelling mistakes.

Because, y'know, those fascists are morons.

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In the interests of fairness, there is a picture going around social media of someone who appears to be Tommy Mair standing behind a Britain First banner.

I have been able to find almost the same picture without Mair, it looks like it has been photoshopped. It doesn't mean Britain First are not a set of bastards though.

I just think that fighting bullshit with bullshit makes you just as bad as those you are opposing.

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He needs a proper PR consultant. Surely
Mr Death-to-Traitors McTraitorface would sound better?

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
[snip] probably written in crayon and littered with spelling mistakes.

Because, y'know, those fascists are morons.

[Roll Eyes]

And you're a child.

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:

I just think that fighting bullshit with bullshit makes you just as bad as those you are opposing.

Yes, that's not helpful.

That said, the idea of photoshopping his image into different backgrounds is a fine idea. The least congruous the better.

I'm thinking a picture of him in his fatigues looking cross in front of a calm scene of wind blowing across a field would be good.

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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Anyone now in any doubt at all that this suppurating arsehole was inspired and driven by the same sort of rhetoric that has spewed forth from the leave campaign?

Nope. I'm sold.
Me too. It's so much easier to make reasonable judgements when the actual evidence begins to come in.

Depending on what sort of mental health problems he's got (I haven't seen that specified anywhere) his fixation on this hateful crap may of course be in part attributable them. To the extent that they are, to that same extent his imputability for his terrible crimes may be diminished. I'd be reluctant to rush to judge him as a despicable person until we know to what extent his despicable notions and horrible actions were influenced by his mental health problems.

Giving him a fair trial and then treating him with humanity sounds about right to me too. Hatefully wishing horrible things upon him doesn't.

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Originally posted by Rocinante:
My last post was far too balanced. The guy's a murdering fascist dickhead, hope he gets gang-raped in whatever hellhole he spends the rest of life in.

And just how is that different from the kind of violent rhetoric spouted by Britain First?

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Originally posted by orfeo:
[Roll Eyes]

And you're a child.

Yes I am. I'm a child who believes fascists are actually comedy characters who given a chance will just prove how idiotic they are without any assistance from anyone else.

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I attended Child Protection and Prevent training * last Friday (13 June). The trainer was fairly dismissive about the Prevent legislation (supposed to protect young people against radicalisation) and listed a number of organisations that we should keep an eye on, including the far right neo-Nazi groups, continuing IRA and ISIS/Daesh. Guess which one the legislation was drafted to deal with? Guess which one we encounter more?

I know far more teenage boys radicalised by the far right than I do Muslim boys radicalised by Daesh - and I work with a very multicultural group. Prevent was aimed at followers of ISIS/Daesh

* third time this academic year for this lot.

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Since he seems to think himself in the mould of Anders Breivik, treating him like Anders Breivik is treated might be appropriate. Big hero picking on a five foot tall unarmed woman.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
[Roll Eyes]

And you're a child.

Yes I am. I'm a child who believes fascists are actually comedy characters who given a chance will just prove how idiotic they are without any assistance from anyone else.
So, let me get this straight. You're the bloke who just agreed that photoshopping isn't helpful, but you want to paint an image of comedy characters who are poor spellers and use crayons.

Give me a break. You are being no more mature than the photoshoppers.

Let's go straight to the top "fascist" and to hell with anyone who criticises me for invoking him. Do you think Hitler rose to power and influenced millions because he was a drooling idiot? No, he got there by being bloody cunning and a magnificent orator. However much I might label his view of the world as 'insane' that is a very different thing from thinking that he was stupid.

You're painting a caricature to make yourself feel better about dismissing a set of views that you find abhorrent. Suggesting that only a moron could believe such things. I'll happily agree with you that the view is moronic, but for God's sake think about what you are doing when you choose to portray a man who planned and committed a murder as some kind of incompetent clown.

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So, let me get this straight. You're the bloke who just agreed that photoshopping isn't helpful, but you want to paint an image of comedy characters who are poor spellers and use crayons.

Give me a break. You are being no more mature than the photoshoppers.

There is quite a difference between deliberately trying to tie the guy with a group deceptively via photoshopping the image and the poor spelling of fascists. Which is a known phenomena.

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Let's go straight to the top "fascist" and to hell with anyone who criticises me for invoking him. Do you think Hitler rose to power and influenced millions because he was a drooling idiot? No, he got there by being bloody cunning and a magnificent orator. However much I might label his view of the world as 'insane' that is a very different thing from thinking that he was stupid.
Nope, you're quite right, he was absolutely sane. No question.

As Chaplin proved, however, he was also hilariously funny. If more people had laughed at him rather than taking him seriously, it is possible that he wouldn't have got so far.

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You're painting a caricature to make yourself feel better about dismissing a set of views that you find abhorrent.
That's absolutely true. I happen to believe that this is a more positive way forward than wishing upon him gang rape or quacking at the thought of further violence every time I leave the house.

But YMMV.

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Suggesting that only a moron could believe such things. I'll happily agree with you that the view is moronic, but for God's sake think about what you are doing when you choose to portray a man who planned and committed a murder as some kind of incompetent clown.
Oh I don't think fascists are incompetent. I'm mostly just making fun of them. Because, y'know, Life is Beautiful.

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Originally posted by Rocinante:
My last post was far too balanced. The guy's a murdering fascist dickhead, hope he gets gang-raped in whatever hellhole he spends the rest of life in.

And just how is that different from the kind of violent rhetoric spouted by Britain First?
Never said it was, it's just what I want right now. I was also attempting in a rather flippant way to balance out my previous post which has been completely overtaken by events.

I don't believe this guy's mental health problems, which don't sound terribly severe, made him kill Jo Cox. It was a premeditated, targeted act and he knew exactly what he was doing. I may mellow a bit over time, but in this particular case I seriously doubt it. I don't think compassion achieves anything with these malignant narcissists, they just think it's their due. (look at Anders Breivik). Let him suffer a bit (a lot?), perhaps then he might come to some appreciation of the enormity of what he's done. And if he doesn't, well I for one don't really care. I don't believe in hell but for people like this it would be appropriate.

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