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lilBuddha
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In a further attack on American Civil Rights, the US Supreme court have made a horrible ruling.
This is a major blow against the rights of people of colour and poor white people. It isn't a matter of if it will be abused, but how much.

On a related note:

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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Meanwhile, changing the subject but not the outrage, this verdict just came in.

Don't need an official police state when the cops can get away with this.

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
In a further attack on American Civil Rights, the US Supreme court have made a horrible ruling.

This is nuts, and just plain bad law.

Strieff was stopped illegally after leaving a house in which a cop suspected that drug dealing might be happening. The fact that this was an illegal stop is not in dispute.

As is standard practice, when he was stopped, Streiff's ID was run through the police computer, which revealed he had an outstanding warrant for a minor traffic offense.

The cop then arrested Strieff on the traffic warrant, and searched him, finding a small amount of meth.

Had Streiff not had an arrest warrant out against him, the search would not have been admissible, because it followed an illegal stop.

The Supreme Court ruling is that the discovery of the arrest warrant (due to normal procedure followed after the illegal stop) magically wipes out the illegality of the original stop and renders the search admissible.

As far as I'm concerned, Stotomayor's dissent is right on the money.

[ 24. June 2016, 00:01: Message edited by: Leorning Cniht ]

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So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

Are there no ethical police in your country?

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

Are there no ethical police in your country?
Probably.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Law enforcement as a profession attracts bullies wishing to practice their bullying under color of law. Court decisions like these must bring them much comfort.

[ 24. June 2016, 15:53: Message edited by: Amanda B. Reckondwythe ]

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Al Eluia

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

Are there no ethical police in your country?
Yes, there are. But we can't simply count on police to do the ethical thing. There have to be strong laws protecting people's constitutional rights and civil oversight of police behavior. I agree this is a horrible ruling. (I work for a police agency, by the way, although in a civilian role.)

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Al Eluia

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Law enforcement as a profession attracts bullies wishing to practice their bullying under color of law. Court decisions like these must bring them much comfort.

We (rightly) give law enforcement tremendous power. But to quote Spider-Man, "With great power comes great responsibility." This ruling represents a major weakening of the checks and balances (such as they are) against unrestricted bullying by police.

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From personal experience from having a crime of violence committed against a loved one, we interacted with about 10 police officers in various contexts: scene, hospital, police station, coming to our home, courthouse. I can only give praise and thanks for their conduct. The people who sucked were all the "support services", and they all sucked badly. -- Thus, I have the idea of a disconnect between American police and police in some other places.
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Kelly Alves

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Even the decent guys on the force are under extreme peer pressure to support the whole " thin blue line" dogma. ( basically, the predominant feedback we should be getting from the public is that of gratitude. Lives on line, etc.)

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cliffdweller
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
From personal experience from having a crime of violence committed against a loved one, we interacted with about 10 police officers in various contexts: scene, hospital, police station, coming to our home, courthouse. I can only give praise and thanks for their conduct. The people who sucked were all the "support services", and they all sucked badly. -- Thus, I have the idea of a disconnect between American police and police in some other places.

I think you see that sort of variation everywhere.

My SIL was arrested (er, rather, "detained") during the Ferguson protests. His experience with the street cops in Ferguson was abysmal-- everything that had been reported-- beginning with the fact that he was there as a reporter but had his press credentials torn off by the police. He was detained for hours in a police van w/o access to live-sustaining meds. If this is what happens to a white male member of the press, one has little trouble believing the accounts from minority youth.

His experience with police officers in the city jail, otoh, was quite different. They were helpful, compassionate, and professional-- working quickly, for example, to get meds that were thrown out by arresting officers replaced before a health crisis ensued. That might be a fear of repercussions, or the oversight of advocacy groups who were on the scene to help with bail, etc. But it also seems to speak to the way you have individual "cultures" that grow up around different precincts or divisions within a police force. What is allowed in one may not be allowed in another, even within the same department, much less from city to city. We have certainly seen this in the LAPD, where there's tremendous variation (often but not always correlated with the wealth of the community) from precinct to precinct.

Yet even with those vast differences, you still will have that unwritten code of not crossing the "blue line" noted above.

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Dave W.
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

Are there no ethical police in your country?
And yours are all sweetness and light, are they?
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So, we can pull you over illegally and hope you have an outstanding warrant. Or we can find drugs in your car. Or drop drugs into your car and then find them. This is a horrible ruling.

Are there no ethical police in your country?
I don't think the border has much to do with this kind of thing any more. This man was killed by police on 14th June and his name was released two days later. Since then there has been a complete silence that we are told may continue for a year or more while the event is investigated. If I were to shoot and kill an unidentified stranger, without leaving my car, because someone had told me he looked threatening, I am fairly sure I know what would happen to me, and it would happen quickly and publicly.

[ 06. July 2016, 23:52: Message edited by: Stercus Tauri ]

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Welcome to Minnesota. If you refuse to comply with the officer's orders, you get shot. If you try to comply with the officer's orders, you get shot.

"May I see your license and registration?"
"No."
<BANG>

"May I see your license and registration?"
"Sure, here it .."
<BANG>


[Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
Welcome to Minnesota. If you refuse to comply with the officer's orders, you get shot. If you try to comply with the officer's orders, you get shot.

"May I see your license and registration?"
"No."
<BANG>

"May I see your license and registration?"
"Sure, here it .."
<BANG>


[Mad]

You know, normally I'd be all over some Canadian that started trashing my home.

I've got nothing. [Disappointed]

Fuck.

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Kelly Alves

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Unlike NP, SM phrased her jibe with some sort of empathy toward the people who have to live in a state with crazy ass cops on the roster. I saw nothing to disagree with, either.

You deserve to feel safe in your home. Everyone does.

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Soror Magna
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quote:
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You know, normally I'd be all over some Canadian that started trashing my home...

Lucky for me I'm a dual citizen with Minnesota Norwegian umpty-ump grandparents. [Big Grin]
Barrett

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Are you from Lake Wobegone? [Smile]

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