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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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"We won without a single bullet being fired"

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Technically, he is correct. It wasn't a *single* bullet.

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I'm hoping that if we all close our eyes at the same time and wish really bloody hard that Farage will disappear in a puff of bullshit.

Even if he was so fucking stupid to realise what he was saying with regard to Jo Cox, then what the fuck was it meant to mean?

That somehow if he'd lost it would have been utterly right to fire bullets..?

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I'm really hoping, although not with very much belief it's going to happen, that this marks the point where Nige retreats from the public sphere.

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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
I'm really hoping, although not with very much belief it's going to happen, that this marks the point where Nige retreats from the public sphere.

That's so not going to happen. He's going to be on every bloody news programme and every sofa for the next 3 months.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
I'm really hoping, although not with very much belief it's going to happen, that this marks the point where Nige retreats from the public sphere.

That's so not going to happen. He's going to be on every bloody news programme and every sofa for the next 3 months.
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He said what!!

Is he mad??

Stupid question.

Do you suppose he will try to form a coalition with the Tories and get a Clegg position?

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He really hasn't grasped the concept of gracious winning and healing divides, has he?

Compared to Cameron's speech, which I thought quite honourable in the circumstances.

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WTFF?!!!! [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
Technically, he is correct. It wasn't a *single* bullet.

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How could he have been referring to that tragic incident when that tragic incident was expected to nudge wobblers into the Remain Camp?

This thing wasn't won by farage it was lost by Remain. The disconnect from traditional Labour voters in key areas played a big part. Getting TB to stand there holding a Remain placard, while the lesser-spotted Jeremy was nowhere to be seen looked and felt pathetic .

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
How could he have been referring to that tragic incident when that tragic incident was expected to nudge wobblers into the Remain Camp?

He wasn't of course. And when he said it, the polls were closed and the count nearly done.

I'm assuming he was surviving on little sleep, cigarettes and alcohol.

But I think it shows an underlying level of stupidity and says something about what he thought might have been a fair response if he had actually lost it.

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This thing wasn't won by farage it was lost by Remain. The disconnect from traditional Labour voters in key areas played a big part. Getting TB to stand there holding a Remain placard, while the lesser-spotted Jeremy was nowhere to be seen looked and felt pathetic .
Bollocks. Leaving aside all the in-fighting in the Tory party, every single claim made by Leave was rebuffed. Every single one.

The country rejected logic and instead went for gut feeling - which was that immigration was bad and that somehow leaving the EU would make a difference to that.

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I must confess I laughed out loud when Farage said on telly that the idea that European savings could go to the NHS was misguided. I knew it was coming alright; I just didm;t expect it one hour after the result. One hour!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
... Do you suppose he will try to form a coalition with the Tories and get a Clegg position?

Wouldn't he need an actual seat at Westminster to do that, which thanks be to God, he doesn't have?

What a complete arse.

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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I must confess I laughed out loud when Farage said on telly that the idea that European savings could go to the NHS was misguided. I knew it was coming alright; I just didm;t expect it one hour after the result. One hour!!!

To admit that he has actually won because he blatently and deliberately lied to people shows either real courage, utter stupidity on the level of someone who thinks they are a teapot, or a belief that their position is right irrespective of truth, fact or information.

Two of these fit.

I want to see a new stature erected in honour of British mindnumbing stupidity. I think Farages head on a stick would work.

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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
... Do you suppose he will try to form a coalition with the Tories and get a Clegg position?

Wouldn't he need an actual seat at Westminster to do that, which thanks be to God, he doesn't have?

What a complete arse.

If Boris the Cream-Faced Loon becomes Tory leader, I expect Farage will be given a seat in the Lords, from whence he will exercise whatever ministerial powers Boris gives him. Don't you just hate unelected elites?

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Surely Farage would have more integrity than to accept a seat in an undemocratic, unelected legeslative body?

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quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I must confess I laughed out loud when Farage said on telly that the idea that European savings could go to the NHS was misguided. I knew it was coming alright; I just didm;t expect it one hour after the result. One hour!!!

I think that many things are going to unravel and that people will see what damage he's caused and turn on Farage and savage him (sadly only metaphorically).

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quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
Surely Farage would have more integrity than to accept a seat in an undemocratic, unelected legeslative body?

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The good thing is that he loses, and so do other Kippers, income from not-attending or working at the EU.
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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
He said what!!

Is he mad??

Stupid question.

Do you suppose he will try to form a coalition with the Tories and get a Clegg position?

He'd have to get elected to Parliament first.

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Oh good Lord, what on earth has Cameron let them do to this country...

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quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I must confess I laughed out loud when Farage said on telly that the idea that European savings could go to the NHS was misguided. I knew it was coming alright; I just didm;t expect it one hour after the result. One hour!!!

Farage was running his own campaign, and wasn't officially part of the Leave campaign, so I believe he wasn't technically party to the £350 on the NHS lie. I wasn't paying attention to what he said, so he may have repeated it in his own right. But if he didn't then he can disown it.

Gove and Bloody Stupid were party to the statement. I rather fear Farage and the interviewer have got them off the hook by despatching the awkward question so early.

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Brexit guy on newsnight is now saying they want free movement of labour ....

What were people voting leave thinking they'd get again ? Do we think they are going to think they got what they were promised ?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
Surely Farage would have more integrity than to accept a seat in an undemocratic, unelected legeslative body?

I don't think I've ever seen the words "Farage" and "integrity" in the same sentence before. They don't really go together very well, do they?

At least, as Penny pointed out, he's presumably now unemployed (or as he would probably put it, a "Scrounger").

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And now the man has gone back to something that has been on his mind since at least 2013, probably since Dunblane itself, since he mentions it every time he raises the subject of the legalisation of handguns, and the 'kneejerk' banning that followed the killings. He has done this on several occasions.

From the Telegraph

It was obviously on his mind yesterday with his 'no bullets' remark.

What is he after? And can he be contained? He could have that being saved for some great purpose idea after his plane crash as has happened to others after near misses.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Brexit guy on newsnight is now saying they want free movement of labour ....

What were people voting leave thinking they'd get again ? Do we think they are going to think they got what they were promised ?

[Killing me] [Killing me] and how exactly are they going to sell that to the people who voted for them because they kept on going on about how they'd stem immigration? How can you "take control of your borders" and have free movement of labour?

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Note from the BBC2 newsnight discussion with some folk from Boston lincs - they didn't believe the 350 mill claim literally. But the key thing was migration. Multi-occupancy non-english speaking folk working in the same place.

So free movement of labour whilst out of the EU wouldn't solve their problem.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Lincolnshire

Their actual problem sounds like poor planning / zoning re accomodation - not enough social housing but also in terms of where people are permitted / encouraged to build their major depots.

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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
I know, but on quite a dark morning I still find myself capable of dreaming beautiful dreams.

He wants UKIP to play a part in the negotiations, so sadly that might remain just a dream.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I must confess I laughed out loud when Farage said on telly that the idea that European savings could go to the NHS was misguided. I knew it was coming alright; I just didm;t expect it one hour after the result. One hour!!!

Farage was running his own campaign, and wasn't officially part of the Leave campaign, so I believe he wasn't technically party to the £350 on the NHS lie. I wasn't paying attention to what he said, so he may have repeated it in his own right. But if he didn't then he can disown it.
On question time, his response to the issue was "It's not £350 million... it's a lot more than that", which brought scoffs and laughs from the audience. Obviously he didn't clarify his 'maths'.

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Mr Farage. He's a sack of shit alright. Specifically, he's an oily, presuming, jumped-up sack of shit who appears to think that he can speak, on behalf of the whole machinery of British government, past and present.

What I'm referring to is this;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11664618

wherein Mr Farage was condescending enough to do an interview with my country's second-worst thing on the airwaves, in which he apologised, you know, for all that shit back then in the '70's where our exports dried up overnight due to, you know, that awkward thing where they, you know, shacked up with the EEC instead. (And now that's she's not around to wash my socks anymore, I thought of you, dear, and how happy we were together)...

As the president of Federated Farmers effectively said - that was a long time ago now, and I think we might be over it.

But hey, England, if you were thinking of trying a charm offensive down here - how's about you send someone charming, not a hamster-cheeked loon who gets his suits second-hand from a used-car salesman, and, if the photographic record is correct, never actually closes his mouth.

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I'm waiting for him to say something to get himself charged with inciting racial hatred (and, of course, convicted). Or, for someone to charge him for some of the stuff he has already said.

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quote:
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I'm waiting for him to say something to get himself charged with inciting racial hatred (and, of course, convicted). Or, for someone to charge him for some of the stuff he has already said.

Doesn't that poster count?

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I'd have thought so. But, to the best of my knowledge there is no investigation heading towards such a prosecution over it.

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Karl:
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How can you "take control of your borders" and have free movement of labour?

Really, Karl, I gave you credit for more intelligence than that. On the one hand we have this long queue of people waiting to get into the country that the EU says we've got to let in. On the other we have this long queue of working-age people with skills and talents this country needs that we have decided to let in ourselves.

Completely different, as Nigel Farrago would be the first to say.

Oh wait - it's the same queue...

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According to a piece in the Guardian by the photographer, who took the picture to enable people to understand the situation of the refugees, and had travelled along with them, he had not sought permission to use the picture. But there was something about the agency which prevented any comeback.
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The Guardian:

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A spokesperson for Getty Images confirmed that the picture had been licensed from them and was taken in Slovenia in 2015 by its staff photographer Jeff Mitchell. “It is always uncomfortable when an objective news photograph is used to deliver any political message or subjective agenda. However, the image in question has been licensed legitimately,” they said.
The photographer clearly relinquished his rights by selling the picture to Getty. Permission was clearly sought and paid for.

None of this excuses Farage's misleading use of the image, but trashing him effectively requires having your facts straight.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:

None of this excuses Farage's misleading use of the image, but trashing him effectively requires having your facts straight.

Which is a massive irony.

[ 28. June 2016, 13:05: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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I was trying to be polite...

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I did imply the legal use of the image. Couldn't find the piece on line in time to get my facts straight.

He has been behaving badly in the EU today, and having stuff said to him. I would be cheering them on, were I there.

BBC report

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
How can you "take control of your borders" and have free movement of labour?

Very easily. You make your own decision to have open borders instead of being told by someone else that you must have open borders.

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But access to the Single Market means you do have to accept someone else imposing their definition of free movement of labour, so you don't control your own borders after all.

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I don't know what "access to the Single Market" means.

I do know it's perfectly possible for Australian goods to enter Europe.

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It means that stuff moves around without taxes being levied. So when Marks and Sparks send their finest English tea across the Channel, I can buy it for the same price as in the UK. In future, thanks to the Brexiteers, I will have to pay import duties. Bastards.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
It means that stuff moves around without taxes being levied. So when Marks and Sparks send their finest English tea across the Channel, I can buy it for the same price as in the UK. In future, thanks to the Brexiteers, I will have to pay import duties. Bastards.

Well, "no taxes" doesn't automatically mean "same price" (especially with different currencies), but point taken.

Though it's worth pointing out that many free trade deals arise outside of a "Single Market". We have a number with the EU ourselves that enable us to export goods there without tariffs. I know because I've drafted some of the relevant legislation at this end.

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Of course, nobody is forced to put import duties onto anything. The EU has a deal with Palestine, for example, which means certain products are duty free.

And products are obviously not the same price across the EU for a whole load of different reasons - transport costs, economies of scale, labour costs, demand etc.

The actual difference between being in the EU and not is that all (legal) products can move entirely freely around the zone without any interference. So I can go and sell my products in Sweden or Spain or Romania as if I was a citizen/resident of those countries.

If the UK leaves the EU, then there will inevitably be trade barriers, even if they're not actual import tariffs.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Of course, nobody is forced to put import duties onto anything. The EU has a deal with Palestine, for example, which means certain products are duty free.

And products are obviously not the same price across the EU for a whole load of different reasons - transport costs, economies of scale, labour costs, demand etc.

The actual difference between being in the EU and not is that all (legal) products can move entirely freely around the zone without any interference. So I can go and sell my products in Sweden or Spain or Romania as if I was a citizen/resident of those countries.

If the UK leaves the EU, then there will inevitably be trade barriers, even if they're not actual import tariffs.

Sure. And conversely, someone in Sweden or Spain or Romania will face greater barriers to coming to the UK to sell their stuff there.

The positives and negatives of this depend very much on one's position. Are you buying or selling? Which market is the most lucrative, the one you're in or the one you're not? Who are your competitors and how is their situation different to yours?

What is most valuable to you in a product?

I put that last one separately because it's one that's been bugging me a bit lately. Globalisation seems to have become a race to provide the cheapest product, not the one of the greatest value. A lot of the world seems happy to purchase a product that is a little bit shit so long as it's the cheapest option.

And then, while saying that our trade is "free", we end up having to impose various standards and requirements and bans to protect ourselves and see to it that none of this stuff is really shit in ways that could render a product either useless or dangerous.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely see the benefits of trade. But I sometimes think that we are so keen on the notion of "free" trade that we cease to engage in critical thinking about the kinds of barriers that we want and need.

Meanwhile, we make it easier for really big companies to move money and resources around, evade our taxes (a big issue in Australia recently, with the Australian divisions of multinationals like Google and Apple paying almost nothing on Australian-generate income) and then we're surprised that they are so much more able to take advantage of the globalised world than all the people we thought we were doing it for.

We had cigarette companies suing Australia for imposing world-leading bans on tobacco advertising. That was the whole problem. "World-leading" is a synonym for "different". Thankfully the case was lost, but I definitely find it concerning that such a case is even possible.

For all the benefits of being able to go to Sweden or Spain or Romania and do business as if you were a citizen, the fact is you're not a citizen. The governments of those countries are not elected by you, they're not answerable to you at the ballot box, and they're not supposed to be looking after your interests. They're supposed to be looking after the interests of their actual citizens.

And if those interests aren't compatible with yours then frankly, I think you should be losing out. Conversely, I think the interests of Romanian and Swedish businesses should, in the UK, be losing out to the interests of UK citizens in those situations where a conflict of interests arises.

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

What is most valuable to you in a product?

I put that last one separately because it's one that's been bugging me a bit lately. Globalisation seems to have become a race to provide the cheapest product, not the one of the greatest value. A lot of the world seems happy to purchase a product that is a little bit shit so long as it's the cheapest option.

Often, "a little bit shit" is good enough. Often, cheap shit is better than no shit.

Telling me that there's more value in that product over there does me no good if I can't afford it, and it does me no good if I don't actually need the extra things it does.

Take kids' clothing, for example. It is easy to buy cheap shit, and it's easy to buy more expensive high quality clothes. Most of the time, I buy the cheap shit.

Why? Because they grow so fast, they grow out of it before it's worn out, so there's no advantage to more durable clothing. And if its cheap, I don't have to care when they rip it falling out of a tree, or stain it with permanent ink or anything. The extra value in higher-quality clothing isn't useful to me.

I'd agree that a consequence of the prevalence of cheap shit is that decent stuff tends to be more expensive than it otherwise would. If most price-sensitive consumers are buying the cheap stuff, there's not so much incentive for manufacturers to produce something better at a reasonable price - you often end up with a choice between cheap shit and stupidly expensive.

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Originally posted by orfeo:
Conversely, I think the interests of Romanian and Swedish businesses should, in the UK, be losing out to the interests of UK citizens in those situations where a conflict of interests arises.

How far down does this principle extend? A Scottish business in England? A Yorkshire business in London? A Lambeth business in Southwark?

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But hey, England, if you were thinking of trying a charm offensive down here - how's about you send someone charming, not a hamster-cheeked loon who gets his suits second-hand from a used-car salesman, and, if the photographic record is correct, never actually closes his mouth.

I think we weren't actually sending him on a charm offensive. I think we have turned back the clock so far we were trying to exile him to the penal colony.

And he is not a sack of shit. A sack of shit has some possible use as fertiliser.

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