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RuthW

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Look, assclown. I'd like to travel overseas again someday, and it would be really nice if I didn't have to sit in embarrassed silence every time my native country became the topic of conversation. Sure, it's not all your fault that Americans abroad are tempted to sew Canadian flags on their backpacks, but you're really not helping. When you are representing the richest, most powerful country on the world stage, it behooves you to behave yourself. You could have gone out and partied in Rio and been a nice guy while you did it, and a few people who met you could have thought, Hey, those Americans were pretty cool, despite the fucked-up foreign policies their government pursues. It wouldn't have made the news, but it would have been cool. But no, you had to be a dick, and the impression that we Americans are jerks who think we can do whatever we want gets just that much more support. And what's more, you concocted a story that played into the publicity about the host country's problems and ended up only illustrating your faith in your white male American privilege, because that's the only conceivable reason you thought you'd get away with it.

I hope you lose your endorsement deals. I hope you end up having to get a shitty service job and have rich bros come in and treat you like dirt. I hope everyone you meet in bars from now on looks at you like the bug you are and walks away.

And I hope you never get to represent the US anywhere ever again.

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He told a completely ridiculous frat-boy story. I'd be ashamed if a teenage child of mine behaved like that. I'd expect entitled frat-boy dicks to behave like that. The fact that an allegedly >30 year old human behaves like this is more than embarrassing.
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Flying back to the U.S. leaving his three buddies behind was a real class act as well.
[Roll Eyes]

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Perhaps he suffers from athluenza?
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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Flying back to the U.S. leaving his three buddies behind was a real class act as well.
[Roll Eyes]

And let's not forget that Lochte was the senior member of that little expedition. Bentz and Conger are college kids.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Flying back to the U.S. leaving his three buddies behind was a real class act as well.
[Roll Eyes]

It was the only time in the whole Olympics he got to his destination before his teammates. [Two face]

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Perhaps he suffers from athluenza?

[Overused]

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Perhaps he suffers from athluenza?

Bravo, sir.
By the way, I fully admit I was binge watching "Big Love" last night -- bite me, it was a hard day-- and I missed whatever this tool did. Anybody got a link?

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Og, King of Bashan

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I think it has been pretty well known for a while now that Ryan Lochte is an idiot and a tool who happens to also be really good looking and good at swimming. As soon as people started asking questions, I knew something had to be up. I honestly expected high-end escorts to be involved.

I can see how, if a private security guard pulled a gun on you and demanded money on the spot, part of you might ask "did I just get robbed?" But it still doesn't excuse the behavior. Or the fact that Lochte apparently had a briefing with US officials, who scolded him and told him to keep a low profile to avoid international embarrassment, and immediately ran across the street to give an interview with NBC, in which he portrayed himself as the cowboy hero who wasn't scared of these robbers.

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Og, King of Bashan

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Perhaps he suffers from athluenza?

Bravo, sir.
By the way, I fully admit I was binge watching "Big Love" last night -- bite me, it was a hard day-- and I missed whatever this tool did. Anybody got a link?

It's still not entirely clear what exactly happened, but here is the clearest account yet (link to Deadspin report on a New York Times article, to save you one of your monthly NYT clicks).

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You're frat boys out on the lash, you break stuff and get told you have to pay for the damage. So far, so Bullingdon Club.

You could have shut up at this point, and no one would have been any the wiser. Literally, no one would have known, and no one would have cared.

But no, you (Lochte in particular - you're 32. Grow the fuck up) double down on it by saying it was robbers dressed as cops who'd mugged you at gunpoint.

Brazil is your host, douchebags. And you are their guests. And now you're pretending that throwing even more money at the problem will make it go away.

I spent several days in the US just last month. In that time I managed to make friends, not enemies. And if I can do that, pretty certain you could have made the effort too.

I hope the State Department burns your passports.

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Kelly Alves

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Peeing on walls , for Chrissake? Was he actually trying to become a walking cliche metaphor of entitlement?

I am gonna bet all those folk ragging on Simone's hair will have jack shit to say about this.

Plus, that face. That smug, chiseled, tanning bed meets white- blue eyed face. Most of the bully terrorists in my high school looked just like that, with variations of hair color. Ugh. My apologies to people with pale blue eyes but they tend to send me into fight- or flight, unless I have a little talk with myself.

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mousethief

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Do we have an extradition treaty with Brazil? Is there any chance he could be sent back to stand trial? Please oh please?

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Kelly Alves

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Drive him up the mountain to the villages and make him find his way back. He'll learn the value of being nice to the locals pretty damn quick. .

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Drive him up the mountain to the villages and make him find his way back. He'll learn the value of being nice to the locals pretty damn quick. .

And give him a Monty Python brand English-to-Portuguese phrasebook.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Flying back to the U.S. leaving his three buddies behind was a real class act as well.
[Roll Eyes]

And let's not forget that Lochte was the senior member of that little expedition. Bentz and Conger are college kids.
Which is why Lochte was the only one who got outa Dodge before the shit hit the fan. Probably experience.

I certainly hope this really kills his hopes for future endorsements, I really do. Michael Phelps' little image problem a while back pales next to this debacle.

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Kelly Alves

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And I hate to be all "me" about it, but again, while NBC was parroting his lame ass cockamamie " robbery " story with wide eyed credulous horror, women athletes were getting shit for hair and makeup issues.

[ 19. August 2016, 16:43: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And I hate to be all "me" about it, but again, while NBC was parroting his lame ass cockamamie " robbery " story with wide eyed credulous horror, women athletes were getting shit for hair and makeup issues.

Yes. The "oh boys will be boys" rhetoric coincides with (both in time and in many cases in the persons speaking) bitching about Gabby Douglas not holding her hand on her heart during the US anthem. I'm sure this shows the true differential between the importance of patriotic sentimentality and crime, and has nothing to do with sex or race. [Roll Eyes]

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Kelly Alves

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M-hm.
To be fair, NBC is backpedaling agressively. Their latest headlines about Lochte are scathing.

[ 19. August 2016, 17:03: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Nick Tamen

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
He told a completely ridiculous frat-boy story. I'd be ashamed if a teenage child of mine behaved like that. I'd expect entitled frat-boy dicks to behave like that.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
You're frat boys out on the lash, you break stuff and get told you have to pay for the damage.

Speaking as a (former, I suppose, since I haven't been a boy for a long time) frat boy, and as a still-engaged fraternity alumnus who knows lots and lots of frat boys, I feel compelled to say that it's an insult to most* frat boys everywhere to lump them in with the likes of Lochte.

Otherwise, yeah to pretty much everything else that has been said.

*Yes, I do know there are some bad apples who give everyone else bad names.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
M-hm.
To be fair, NBC is backpedaling agressively. Their latest headlines about Lochte are scathing.

Nothing like someone else calling you out on your prejudice to make you take prejudice seriously, eh NBC?

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I think he should lose his medal, for un-olympian behaviour.

As others have said, he could have partied away, had a good time, and not got into trouble. Or he could have partied like a Tory, paid for the damage and some compensation and accepted that he was a spoilt, rich, stupid brat who represents all that is bad about the wealthy classes.

But no, he had to make up some stupid story. For that he should be stripped of his medal, and lose his endorsements and sponsorship.

He doesn't represent the US. He represents the entitled, wealthy classes, the supra-national class of people who are more loathsome the more we see of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I think he should lose his medal, for un-olympian behaviour.

As others have said, he could have partied away, had a good time, and not got into trouble. Or he could have partied like a Tory, paid for the damage and some compensation and accepted that he was a spoilt, rich, stupid brat who represents all that is bad about the wealthy classes.

But no, he had to make up some stupid story. For that he should be stripped of his medal, and lose his endorsements and sponsorship.

He doesn't represent the US. He represents the entitled, wealthy classes, the supra-national class of people who are more loathsome the more we see of them.

Has Trump found a running mate?

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I think he should lose his medal, for un-olympian behaviour.

As others have said, he could have partied away, had a good time, and not got into trouble. Or he could have partied like a Tory, paid for the damage and some compensation and accepted that he was a spoilt, rich, stupid brat who represents all that is bad about the wealthy classes.

But no, he had to make up some stupid story. For that he should be stripped of his medal, and lose his endorsements and sponsorship.

He doesn't represent the US. He represents the entitled, wealthy classes, the supra-national class of people who are more loathsome the more we see of them.

( The ghost of Woody Guthrie stirs )

And that's just it, the supranationals want you to think that they are the only people that matter in any country they happen to be pissing all over. I ain't having that. " This may be God's country, but this is my country, too."

Sorry, frustrated American socialist rant. ( Yeah, I lean pinko.)

Back to the Olympics. Now here's double happiness.

First of all. I am proud to be sharing a country with that young American athlete, and a common ocean with the young lady from New Zealand;and second, both women displayed exactly the kind of spirit people are hoping to see when they tune in to the Olympics every four years.

( Not that it makes me happy to see a young woman mess up her ankle to cross a finish line, but still. The heart behind the choice is admirable.)

This is what young douchebags don't get-- being a young douchebag is neither original nor entertaining, not even to the douche himself, eventually. Even winning a gold in a spectacular way has been done. What those women did? Rare. Magical. Riveting.

Excuse me, the thread's a little dusty. [Tear]

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Kelly - absolutely. That image - of athletes helping each other - is what I want to take from these games. That is the true sporting spirit.

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I also find the spirit in teams that have one or two superstar-level members. Simone Biles and Aly Raisman could have been snooty and stuck up, and their other teammates could have been jealous and standoffish, but they all seemed very much a single team, standing arm-around-shoulder, rooting for each other to do well, hugging after performances.

The same goes for other teams, American and otherwise, with outstanding members and other, more running-with-the-pack members. That spirit, even though it's just among athletes on the same team, also shows the best of what we as humans can be.

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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The "oh boys will be boys" rhetoric coincides with (both in time and in many cases in the persons speaking) bitching about Gabby Douglas not holding her hand on her heart during the US anthem. I'm sure this shows the true differential between the importance of patriotic sentimentality and crime, and has nothing to do with sex or race. [Roll Eyes]

The black American women who took all three medals in one race did not put their hands over their hearts when the national anthem was played. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I was glad. Standing quietly is sufficiently respectful, and why athletes have to be patriotic in the first place I have no idea. I don't even always stand for the anthem at baseball games because it bugs me that we're all supposed to make a show of patriotism before every game.

Don't get me started on the requirement that female gymnasts wear makeup. Or on the criticisms of Gabby Douglas' hair.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
Speaking as a (former, I suppose, since I haven't been a boy for a long time) frat boy, and as a still-engaged fraternity alumnus who knows lots and lots of frat boys, I feel compelled to say that it's an insult to most* frat boys everywhere to lump them in with the likes of Lochte.

EVERYTHING THE MOVIES EVER TOLD ME WAS A LIE! [Waterworks]

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
The black American women who took all three medals in one race did not put their hands over their hearts when the national anthem was played.

If you'll excuse a dirty foreigner butting in:
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36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
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(b)(1)(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

This must surely establish behaviour norms, particularly for athletes competing in a US team.
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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
The black American women who took all three medals in one race did not put their hands over their hearts when the national anthem was played.

If you'll excuse a dirty foreigner butting in:
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36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
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(b)(1)(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

This must surely establish behaviour norms, particularly for athletes competing in a US team.

The flag code is not law, and requiring people to pledge allegiance has been found unconstitutional. Ultimately it's a personal decision and nobody else's business.

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
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The flag code is not law, and requiring people to pledge allegiance has been found unconstitutional. Ultimately it's a personal decision and nobody else's business.

Now I'm confused. The flag code, and the title 36 that I quoted, are found in the US Code. Does that not make it "law"?

I agree that enforcing such behaviour is in direct contravention of the first amendment (and so anyone has a legal right to adopt whatever posture they prefer whilst the US national anthem is playing).

But is there not a difference between what is normative and what is required?

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Okay I partly misspoke. It's "law" but not enforceable. It's "advisory." This might help.

There is of course a difference between normative and required. However it's hard to see how one can attach great opprobrium to someone not doing something that's not required and which moreover doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights nor needs.

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However it's hard to see how one can attach great opprobrium to someone not doing something that's not required and which moreover doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights nor needs.

Perhaps an athlete's posture during the national anthem is the US equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn's top button?

You have a large chunk of the country tut-tutting about apparent disrespect (I don't believe Mr. Corbyn intends disrespect by his habitual dress any more than I believe Miss Douglas intends disrespect by standing with her hands at her sides) and another large chunk saying that they don't care where Gabby Douglas puts her hands - the point is that she can defy gravity!

I have no idea what to make of the people who are complaining about the state of a sportswoman's hair. The most vocal complaints I've personally encountered this time around have come from black women, who have been going on about how black women are proud of their hair and Gabby is letting the side down by not having a perfect coiffure. I find it hard to use a word other than "racist" to describe that particular attitude.

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These complainers [about the hand-on-heart thing] are by and large the same people who said absolutely nothing when Donald Trump didn't put his hand on his heart during the Anthem at the Republican convention. Hard to think of anything other than racism that could explain this discrepancy.

It kind of strains the meaning of "racist" to call the black women who complained of Gabby's hair "racist," but it is very hard for me to understand why they think they have any right to comment upon, let alone condemn, her hair. But I certainly don't claim to understand that community or its attitudes towards things like hair. It's rather up to Gabby to tell them to fuck off, if she so chooses.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
These complainers are by and large the same people who said absolutely nothing when Donald Trump didn't put his hand on his heart during the Anthem at the Republican convention. Hard to think of anything other than racism that could explain this discrepancy.

Agreed (assuming of course that they encountered both events, which is probably true of the majority of them.)
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
These complainers [about the hand-on-heart thing] are by and large the same people who said absolutely nothing when Donald Trump didn't put his hand on his heart during the Anthem at the Republican convention. Hard to think of anything other than racism that could explain this discrepancy.


How would Trump know where his heart is?

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
How would Trump know where his heart is?

Good point. Did the cameras zoom out far enough to see if his hand was on his wallet?

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Originally posted by mousethief:
These complainers [about the hand-on-heart thing] are by and large the same people who said absolutely nothing when Donald Trump didn't put his hand on his heart during the Anthem at the Republican convention. Hard to think of anything other than racism that could explain this discrepancy.

Looks like the Trump thing might be fake.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Looks like the Trump thing might be fake.

Well I'll be. Well, if you pop 1 thing off an infinite stack, the stack's still infinite.

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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
Speaking as a (former, I suppose, since I haven't been a boy for a long time) frat boy, and as a still-engaged fraternity alumnus who knows lots and lots of frat boys, I feel compelled to say that it's an insult to most* frat boys everywhere to lump them in with the likes of Lochte.

EVERYTHING THE MOVIES EVER TOLD ME WAS A LIE! [Waterworks]

(Next you'll be telling me Animal House isn't a drama-documentary)

Animal House is simple awesomeness. And if you haven't read the book you should. But I've never actually met guys like that. Perhaps if I'd gone to Dartmouth in the early 60s....

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But I've never actually met guys like that. Perhaps if I'd gone to Dartmouth in the early 60s....

I was in college (not Dartmouth) a decade later, and one of our independent fraternities could have served as the inspiration for Animal House.

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I gather you guys don't mean this Dartmouth.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Fraternities and sororities are illegal in my province. Am to I understand that this man's stupid behaviour in Brazil was learned in an Animal House type of fraternity? That's crazy if true.

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Re saluting the flag:

It doesn't matter to me, but

--This isn't the first time audiences have gotten upset about not saluting, at the Olympics or elsewhere. The tension about it sits and waits for another incident. (Like the floating story memes in Pratchett's "Witches Abroad", perhaps.) For some people, all the incidents pile up and get squished into their general fear, and discomfort, and need for absolutes. And that can trigger nasty behavior.

--I can kind of see expecting US Olympians to salute, because they're specifically, officially representing the US.

--The Black Muslim protest at the...'68? Olympics in Mexico City may be casting a long shadow.


Oh, and the incident in the OP was really stupid.

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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
But I've never actually met guys like that. Perhaps if I'd gone to Dartmouth in the early 60s....

I was in college (not Dartmouth) a decade later, and one of our independent fraternities could have served as the inspiration for Animal House.
it is often the independent ones that are more likely to fit that mold. No oversight from a larger organization that can suspend or pull a charter, or encourage other behavior. (And sometimes no traditions or group culture other than the Animal House sort.)

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I gather you guys don't mean this Dartmouth.

Nope. This one.

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Fraternities and sororities are illegal in my province. Am to I understand that this man's stupid behaviour in Brazil was learned in an Animal House type of fraternity? That's crazy if true.

No. His behavior was just being compared to stereotypical "frat boy" behavior.

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Katie Rich on Twitter:

Now I'm going to have a hard time believing men when they say they've been robbed.

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
--The Black Muslim protest at the...'68? Olympics in Mexico City may be casting a long shadow.

It was indeed 1968, but it was a Black Power salute -- I don't think it had anything to do with Muslims.

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Thanks, Pigwidgeon.

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Katie Rich on Twitter:

Now I'm going to have a hard time believing men when they say they've been robbed.

[Killing me] [Overused]

About the US flag code: I honestly don't give a shit about conforming to the norms for behavior toward the flag. If the people who get worked up about that all cared as much about treating people with the same respect, I might give them the time of day.

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