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Martin60
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Damn. That's the elephant in the room with sexual swear words. They combine sex and violence. Male aggression. In my last work environment some men swore to the max, no women did. It was always an abuse of power.

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quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
Is that a speck of psychological projection in your eye? Here, let me help you remove it. [Biased]

Nice dodge. "I know you are but what am I?" or as it's called in Latin, tu quoque. Anything but man up.

Kelly, love your socks off.

Yorick, good to see you old chap.

quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
I wish you hadn't written those last three words.

Actually it makes the humor of the whole thing work.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Maybe you forgot that posting here is the equivalent of drawing a big, fat bull's eye on your chest? Or throat, or whatever.

I'm sorry, what makes you think I forgot that?

quote:
I hardly think that Martin's recently being nice to you disqualifies him from pointing out that your hellcall was excessive. Pretty much spot on, I'd say, but it's your shtick to deflect such criticism with louder complaints about your critics.
Don't knock it. It works.

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Kelly Alves

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( regarding the sexual swearing tangent) That actually is interesting food for thought, but it would be better food for thought in Purgatory. Start a thread, NP&c, I'm sure the Purgatorians will hump it like MT's leg.

(The fact that people are using MT to reference Mother Teresa is making it a very confusing time on the Ship for me. Granted, it doesn't take much.)

[ Dayum. Talk about crosspost frenzy.]

[ 09. September 2016, 17:40: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
I hardly think that Martin's recently being nice to you disqualifies him from pointing out that your hellcall was excessive. Pretty much spot on, I'd say, but it's your shtick to deflect such criticism with louder complaints about your critics.

Don't knock it. It works.
[Killing me]

And why the hell are all of you horning in on a PERSONAL CONVERSATION between me and NP&canukistan? Are you all to selfish and impatient to accomodate my slow typing? Shame on you. Excuse me, FUCKING SHAME ON YOU ALL.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
If my own memory serves, I made that remark in response to Moo's sarcastically repeated request for published scholarship supporting a specific strawman premise -- that in particular preliterate or semiliterate cultures anthropological studies had affirmatively found oral history traditions to be inaccurate.

I wanted to know whether the cultures studied were modern illiterate cultures or ancient ones. There was a time when all ancient cultures were illiterate, even the ones which were very large and sophisticated. Gradually the concept of writing spread, but since it required special skills and equipment, most people continued with the old ways.

In modern times, all illiterate cultures are small and isolated. I don't believe that conclusions about small modern isolated cultures necessarily apply to large ancient cultures.

I have the impression that you believe everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant, stupid, in denial, or deliberately obstructive.

Moo

Moo, I have to apologize. My eyes were glazing over in fausto's reply to me, and I missed the bit where he put the words " facile and unenlightened" in the same sentance with your name. Boy, when this cat's wrong, he's wrong with a side of fries and a Coke.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
( regarding the sexual swearing tangent) That actually is interesting food for thought, but it would be better food for thought in Purgatory. Start a thread, NP&c, I'm sure the Purgatorians will hump it like MT's leg.

+1

(which means according to some younger folk who text me, great approval of the several aspects of the comment and kind regards, as far as I can tell).

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I'm totally right about the Purg crowd, aren't I? [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
( regarding the sexual swearing tangent) That actually is interesting food for thought, but it would be better food for thought in Purgatory. Start a thread, NP&c, I'm sure the Purgatorians will hump it like MT's leg.

Dammit Kelly, you have to go and ruin a potentially good topic with that imagery. Now I shall feel filthy if I post on it. But not in a good way.

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Kelly Alves

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Really? But I was thinking of you! [Angel]

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You know,

I don't get to visit as often any more.
One of the things I love in getting to the 'get off my lawn*' phase of ship life is seeing the development in us old-timers as people. You can see maturation in thinking, softening in position, change and it is a joy. The ship is full of good people.

Oh, and of course, the reassuring unchanging same old shtick.

*You know, old, rocking chair etc.

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Martin60
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Kelly, how can MT be an abbreviation for mousethief? I mean is ETC used for et cetera? Hmmm? And yes I know N.B. can be used for nota bene, it's optional. Most Latin abbreviations of single words are lower case I think you'll find.

Talk of the devil. You sod.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
Maybe, but I suspect some of it also lies in the fear that if the Gospels were anything less than 100% historical fact, that might cast an intolerable degree of doubt upon other faith propositions

I would be surprised if any of our regular contributors would hold such a simplistic opinion. We get the occasional visitor who does hold very simplistic views on the accuracy of Scripture, but they don't usually hang around for long when faced with the more nuanced and intelligent views of the majority of people here.
Perhaps it's foolish of me to return to this discussion after most of the steam has already been vented. You're probably right, too, that most shipmates don't take such a simplistic view. To be fair it's worth noting, though, that I did get a lot of stiff resistance from several others (although not you) when I tried to propose that the Gospels might be less than historically accurate, and that the early Church did not yet have a fixed oral tradition or strong safeguards to protect it from alteration until some length of time after the four (eventually) canonical Gospels were written.
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Martin60
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You strained at an Aramaic-Greek straw gnat fausto.

Everything else is a given.

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mousethief

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I suggest you might need to learn to discern the difference between stiff resistance to an idea, and stiff resistance to an idea posited without proof or evidence. The ship's discussion/argument spaces tend to be really big on not just making claims, but having backing for them.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I suggest you might need to learn to discern the difference between stiff resistance to an idea, and stiff resistance to an idea posited without proof or evidence. The ship's discussion/argument spaces tend to be really big on not just making claims, but having backing for them.

At the risk of sounding too Pollyanna (or Rodney King "can't we all just get along?") for the sulfur zone, I think you both were too quick on the draw here.

Fausto made claims w/o having sufficient documentation to back them up (he did have evidence-- from Ehrman's speeches-- just not documentation). But this is the Ship, not an academic conference. We have to have some leeway to discuss topics without a trip to the library to check out a book, find the exact page and provide a specific quote. This is casual conversation, and in casual conversation you're not going to defend your theses with the same precision. The question was appropriate, but I think a hell-call was an overreaction.

otoh, my friend Fausto certainly added gasoline to the fire by jumping to unwarranted assumptions about the motives of those who questioned his claims. He jumped to conclusions that more regular shipmates know just don't fit, and sounded just a wee bit patronizing in his delivery. In so doing he added to the impression that he makes quick, overblown claims without really doing his homework. From our RL conversations I know that's not really fausto, but I can't deny that's the picture that's conveyed when he follows legit questions about his sources with an inaccurate presumption about his questioners.

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Damn. That's the elephant in the room with sexual swear words. They combine sex and violence. Male aggression. In my last work environment some men swore to the max, no women did. It was always an abuse of power.

Years ago, when I worked with the Heavy Mob all my colleagues, male and female, swore like troopers. I'd left by the time that 'The Thick Of It' came on the telly but I think their collective attitude to Malcolm Tucker would have been 'not bad for a beginner'. In any event, one of my colleagues, one day, had had an unproductive conversation with a colleague in another department and when, I ambled into the office after lunch, was going at it with a vehemence that would have made the aforementioned Spin Doctor kneel at his feet with the words: "I have much to learn, master, teach me". After a few more minutes of profanity, he twigged that I had returned to my desk and apologised profusely: "Callan, I know that you're a religious man* and if I had known you were there, I would have moderated my language" (All of this in a Glaswegian accent) "But the guy is such a... fucking cunt!"

The poor man was genuinely bewildered when the whole office, male and female, were immediately convulsed with laughter.

*He never showed an reluctance to swear in my presence, usually, but this was a particularly spectacular display of profanity, so perhaps he might have felt that he had crossed a threshold of some sort.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Kelly, how can MT be an abbreviation for mousethief? I mean is ETC used for et cetera? Hmmm? And yes I know N.B. can be used for nota bene, it's optional. Most Latin abbreviations of single words are lower case I think you'll find.

Talk of the devil. You sod.

Is "Martin60" the designation printed on your pills? Perhaps get some Martin120s or Martin600s.

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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
At the risk of sounding too Pollyanna (or Rodney King "can't we all just get along?") for the sulfur zone, I think you both were too quick on the draw here.

You say this, but then much of the rest of your post refutes it.

I did not read that much of the thread in question, tl;dc, but from what I did the call was warranted.
When you question or confront other people's beliefs and haven't even read the material you are using to do so. And then have the effrontery to suggest they should, you deserve a Hell call.
And he baited mt. Whilst that is not a crime, it is an invitation.

You might know he is not as portrayed here, but that is irrelevant if his own words accuse him otherwise.

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At the risk of being the target for everyone's opprobrium: this.
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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
At the risk of being the target for everyone's opprobrium: this.

There's a solution for threads you're not interested in or feel are overblown. I think you know what it is.

ETA:

quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
The question was appropriate, but I think a hell-call was an overreaction.

Sure, but that's not what elicited the hell call.

[ 10. September 2016, 17:24: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
At the risk of being the target for everyone's opprobrium: this.

Opprobrium? It's hard to take anything here seriously or personally when everyone comes to the party armed with grenades and flamethrowers, eagerly hoping for any excuse to use them, rather than hoping to actually resolve misunderstandings. It's no more serious than grade-school kids having a cursing contest. Your picture just describes the mood.

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
At the risk of being the target for everyone's opprobrium: this.

Opprobrium? It's hard to take anything here seriously or personally when everyone comes to the party armed with grenades and flamethrowers, eagerly hoping for any excuse to use them, rather than hoping to actually resolve misunderstandings. It's no more serious than grade-school kids having a cursing contest. Your picture just describes the mood.
Cute. I had been giving you a little benefit of doubt because I respect cliffdweller, but this kind of passive-aggressive rubbish tends to make me want to rethink that.
You tweaked mt's nose* on purpose or you are a clueless fool.

*Granted, mt is a tad offence-sensitive.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
Maybe, but I suspect some of it also lies in the fear that if the Gospels were anything less than 100% historical fact, that might cast an intolerable degree of doubt upon other faith propositions

I would be surprised if any of our regular contributors would hold such a simplistic opinion. We get the occasional visitor who does hold very simplistic views on the accuracy of Scripture, but they don't usually hang around for long when faced with the more nuanced and intelligent views of the majority of people here.
Perhaps it's foolish of me to return to this discussion after most of the steam has already been vented. You're probably right, too, that most shipmates don't take such a simplistic view. To be fair it's worth noting, though, that I did get a lot of stiff resistance from several others (although not you) when I tried to propose that the Gospels might be less than historically accurate, and that the early Church did not yet have a fixed oral tradition or strong safeguards to protect it from alteration until some length of time after the four (eventually) canonical Gospels were written.
It's kind of like bouncing into a conference of gourmet chefs and announcing, " Guess what? There are other foods besides cheeseburgers!"

I think you are mistaking a collective " duh!" for resistance.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Kelly, how can MT be an abbreviation for mousethief? I mean is ETC used for et cetera? Hmmm? And yes I know N.B. can be used for nota bene, it's optional. Most Latin abbreviations of single words are lower case I think you'll find.

Talk of the devil. You sod.

If you start accusing MT of being latin- leaning, there's gonna be a huge throwdown, dude. Not since the fourth century.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You tweaked mt's nose* on purpose or you are a clueless fool.

*Granted, mt is a tad offence-sensitive.

WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN??!?!?!?!

But seriously, clearly I'm not the only one to feel that fausto is a pretentious, self-righteous tit. As witness the many other complainants on this thread. This was a hell thread just waiting to be made. SOMEbody has to be thin-skinned enough to get these things off the ground, or things will just go on getting tense and ugly on the original thread. It is the purpose of Hell to avoid just that. I am a hero, dammit. Worship me.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
If you start accusing MT of being latin- leaning, there's gonna be a huge throwdown, dude. Not since the fourth century.

Although if a Hispanic lady of good repute had thrown herself at me before I met Josephine, I might have easily tilted Latin. Tilted 90° even. [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
[qb] Perhaps it's foolish of me to return to this discussion after most of the steam has already been vented. You're probably right, too, that most shipmates don't take such a simplistic view. To be fair it's worth noting, though, that I did get a lot of stiff resistance from several others (although not you) when I tried to propose that the Gospels might be less than historically accurate, and that the early Church did not yet have a fixed oral tradition or strong safeguards to protect it from alteration until some length of time after the four (eventually) canonical Gospels were written.

It's kind of like bouncing into a conference of gourmet chefs and announcing, " Guess what? There are other foods besides cheeseburgers!"

I think you are mistaking a collective " duh!" for resistance.

This. (Sorry, fausto buddy, but, yeah. You were thinking Beliefnet. This ain't no Beliefnet.)

[ 10. September 2016, 19:06: Message edited by: cliffdweller ]

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Oh, HELL no.

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Now, now. The management frown on Board Wars.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Now, now. The management frown on Board Wars.

Yeah, but they are owned by Fox! Excuse me now whilst I go wash the fingers that typed that word.

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Marvin the Martian

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A note to all the fuckers asking if this issue warranted a Hell Call: the only criterion for a Hell Call is that the Caller is pissed off at the Callee. Whether you think it's justified is beside the bastard point.

Tell him you think he's overreacting by all means, but for the love of Zeus stop saying this thread shouldn't exist.

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cliffdweller
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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
A note to all the fuckers asking if this issue warranted a Hell Call: the only criterion for a Hell Call is that the Caller is pissed off at the Callee. Whether you think it's justified is beside the bastard point.

Tell him you think he's overreacting by all means, but for the love of Zeus stop saying this thread shouldn't exist.

I believe "overreaction" was the precise word I used. I don't believe anyone has said this thread shouldn't exist.

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orfeo

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Can I say it? Huh? Can I? Can I?

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Kelly Alves

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Go ahead, orf. Someone opining something should't exist doesn't make it disappear in a puff of smoke.

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orfeo

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No. Only hosts and admins can do that... [Devil]

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Kelly Alves

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Yes, but if the existance of the thread annoys people, that is fufilling a Hellish purpose, is it not? [Smile]

I for one think turning a perfectly good bun fight into a boring ass,rules- lawyering navel gazing, pitiful excuse for an erzatz Styx thread makes it excruciating, but of course some people are gonna see the point of a Hell call and some are not. That's why it's called a " discussion,"

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Now, now. The management frown on Board Wars.

Yeah, but they are owned by Fox! Excuse me now whilst I go wash the fingers that typed that word.
Who said anything about a Board War, anyway? There's nothing to frown at, Barney Fife. Put the squirt gun away.

We're just shit- talking them behind their backs, like good little Christians do.

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I think the prigs who sit on the sidelines of a Hell call and hold up cards saying "3.7" and "4.2" like 1970s' Olympic judges need to explain for us what their exacting requirements are. What does it have to have to be your model Hell thread? Or indeed deemed worthy in your exalted opinion to be a Hell thread at all? Clearly you have some set of criteria over and above what the actual Ship's rules, guidelines, and commandments specify. What are those exalted criteria? Puke -- sorry, cough -- up your personal self-righteous measuring stick.

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Kelly Alves

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Why validate the scores by caring, MT? Like you said, opinion doesn't trump the rules, guidelines, etc. And according to the old saying, opinions are like assholes, everyones's got one.

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Mostly to be a shit, and tempt self-righteous fuckwits into calling me names. But I'm also mildly interested in what opinions these assholes have.

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(Will you get such refreshing honesty from these smug hypocrites?)

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Originally posted by mousethief:
But I'm also mildly interested in what opinions these assholes have.

Whatever opinions the assholes have, they still stink of shit.

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Kelly Alves

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I'm trying to figure out who exactly the assholes are. Pretty much everybody conceded the usefulness of the Hell call by the middle of page 1. Martin keeps yanking MT's chain, just to giggle at the reaction, cliffdweller is fair but loyal, and lilbuddha made a passing remark about oversensitivity. The clamor for thread closure... Isn't happening. As far as I can see.

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I hear you Orfeo.
[Pats him on the shoulder and gives a tissue.]
I heard your little clamour mate. You matter. Don't you listen to Kel.

But to be fair, his post was a piss take as well.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by Martin60:
Kelly, how can MT be an abbreviation for mousethief? I mean is ETC used for et cetera? Hmmm? And yes I know N.B. can be used for nota bene, it's optional. Most Latin abbreviations of single words are lower case I think you'll find.

Talk of the devil. You sod.

Is "Martin60" the designation printed on your pills? Perhaps get some Martin120s or Martin600s.
I won't take the meds. They blunt my edge with clarity.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
this kind of passive-aggressive rubbish tends to make me want to rethink that.
You tweaked mt's nose* on purpose or you are a clueless fool.

Yeah, I think I'm getting the hang of the hell-game now. Thanks for the fine example.

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fausto
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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
It's kind of like bouncing into a conference of gourmet chefs and announcing, " Guess what? There are other foods besides cheeseburgers!"

I think you are mistaking a collective " duh!" for resistance.

This. (Sorry, fausto buddy, but, yeah. You were thinking Beliefnet. This ain't no Beliefnet.)
Thanks, you two. That's the first constructive criticism on this thread that actually makes sense to me. (Which makes me wonder whether it really belongs in hell, though.)

Some of the pushback I was getting on the other thread archly defending the historical accuracy of the Gospels didn't taste much like gourmet food or sound like a collective "duh", though. It sure tasted like cheeseburgers to me.

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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by fausto:
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Thanks, you two. That's the first constructive criticism on this thread that actually makes sense to me.
Really? Alan, Doc and Moo were clear and relatively polite about outlining where they felt you went wrong. If they did not make sense as well, then perhaps you are not as bright as you think you are. I can understand your unwillingness to concede to your challenger, mt. Or to someone as confrontational as I, but if you cannot listen to criticism without an accompanying pat on the head, then your maturity is in question as well.
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(Which makes me wonder whether it really belongs in hell, though.)

Hell is for getting personal. Whether nice or nasty is irrelevant.

You received pushback for reasons outlined in the thread so far and because of your presentation. When you are even more stubborn than I about conceding that you were got it wrong, you have a problem.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
this kind of passive-aggressive rubbish tends to make me want to rethink that.
You tweaked mt's nose* on purpose or you are a clueless fool.

Yeah, I think I'm getting the hang of the hell-game now. Thanks for the fine example.
Well you have to admit he sure has the hang of passive-aggression. And passive-aggression in response to an accusation of passive-aggression is a remarkable, if probably accidental, example of "meta".

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