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Jay-Emm
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[Turnout, could increased turnout in the form of people adapting a "vote for least-evil" approach or just not being lazy or ... have changed things]
Depends where they were, I guess.
To some extent if they were Hillary voters in New York or Trump in (well in hindsight even Pensylvania) in terms of actual effect it would only make it a more convincing polarization and reduce the time till polls are estimated.
It would also make the total figure even more relevant (you could in theory always add national electors pro-rata or even per million).
In which case while shameful, and very risky the outcome can't be blamed. Even if it were 48% of the population.
Similarly to a lesser extent when in the opposition safeholds. Except of course 48% of American's can't all be in losing states. And every extra vote makes the percentage look more even.
I gather Florida was record breaking for both sides, which is consistent to safe seats being voter suppressing to some extent.
But that leaves the unexpected swingers...
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Jay-Emm
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Hmm, Florida has a population of 20mil (so at least 10mil voters surely)
Bush-Gore had 3mil each (I didn't want to look)
For somewhere so decisive that looks a bit rubbish.[though Brexit was about the same nationally too]
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Alan Cresswell
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This page breaks things down by state with 55.6% overall. Some states high 60s turnout, which still seems low if those were the key battles. Presumably somewhere like Hawaii was so safe that people really did see no point in voting.
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Could why Pollsters screwed up. Spent too long questioning people who never even set foot inside a voting booth.
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No, they screwed up because they screened out people whom they view as unlikely to vote - people who have not voted in prior elections - not recognizing that Trump's candidacy would motivate some of those folks to turn out.
Also, this was not a resounding win for Trump. Clinton won the popular vote. She lost because of how her votes are distributed.
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Ironically, she got a larger share of the vote than Bill. Where's Ross Perot when you need him?
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I have a family member who has decided to never say this man's name again. Currently he is President-elect Sexual Assault.
Is it reasonable that any female politicians meeting with him always bring someone along, and refuse to meet alone?
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I have a family member who has decided to never say this man's name again. Currently he is President-elect Sexual Assault.
Is it reasonable that any female politicians meeting with him always bring someone along, and refuse to meet alone?
I was thinking about this, and if I could arrange such a thing, I would require all major news outlets to send women to do press junkets, interviews, etc ( with escorts, of course.) I would really love to see him forced to deal with the women of the Fourth Estate for the next four years.
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Got up this morning, and was sad to note I was really happy I am not going to a Headstart today. Usually I am; for the last ten years or so, I have pretty much gotten to know evey Head Start on the Peninsula. Last time I was in one was Tusday afternoon, and as I left, the Latina staff members were exhorting me to "vote Hillary!"
I don't think I could look them in the eye today.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Our lovely toad joins in:
Farridge takes the blame.
What a nasty, racist, cockwomble that man is. Russell Brand once called him a Poundshop Enoch Powell. This strikes me as conspicuously unfair to Poundshop and, if Powell were still alive, potentially defamatory.
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Penny S
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Good for her.
I am getting tired of people who say we 'must respect' the choices others have made when those choices are anything but respectable.
Acknowledge that they have made them, perhaps. Plan how to work with them, necessary.
But respect? Which implies worthiness. That can't be right. It just shows how people use language having totally forgotten it has meaning.
Merkel was pretty careful with her words.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I am pleased to say that Scotland's First Minister intends to call it as she sees it.
She also might want to consider taking Farage to task over his statement that Turnberry is in "his country". Though, there is value in simply ignoring his idiotic spoutings.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I don't think I could look them in the eye today.
Do look them in the eye I think. Remember that little bits of goodness, gentleness, kindness and courage exist in all people, however we try to eliminate them. Traces of horriblesness, brutality, smugness, and cruelty also exist. When the awfullest things happen, we don't need to to panic. The things which make us truly human and decent are always within our reach. I'm one for waving our little arms, speaking the truth and from the heart with our little voices. All the world shall meet the forces of darkness and despair, realizing, I think, right now for Americans, and perhaps the whole world, that the enemy may be us if we don't hold our heads high and meet the sad and angry eyes, bringing those truly human things with us, and to them. (just saying)
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Last time I was in one was Tusday afternoon, and as I left, the Latina staff members were exhorting me to "vote Hillary!"
I don't think I could look them in the eye today.
Do look them in the eye. Hug them. Cry with them. Tell them you voted Hillary, that you encouraged your friends to vote Hillary too. Tell them that you live in a democracy, that joining together you can all continue to protect those most vulnerable, even from the fascism of the President-elect. It is your right and duty as citizens of a democracy to stand together for what is right and good, to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic - even enemies in the White House. Stand together. Never give up. Never surrender. Remember, the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
She also might want to consider taking Farage to task over his statement that Turnberry is in "his country".
The last time I looked, Turnberry was as much a part of the UK as Bromley.
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Alan Cresswell
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Not for much longer if Farage gets his way.
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Marvin the Martian
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As far as I can see, he's been consistently against Scottish independence.
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North East Quine
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I am pleased to say that Scotland's First Minister intends to call it as she sees it.
This dates back six months, but all five of Scotland's political leaders seem to hold Trump in low esteem.
I particularly like Labour leader Kezia Dugdale's assessment of him: "the guy's an arse."
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Teekeey Misha
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
As far as I can see, he's been consistently against Scottish independence.
But surely he can see that Scottish independence is "Brexit plus plus plus" plus?
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Bishops Finger
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Is 'dingying' the Scottish equivalent of grabbing cats?
Lovely word, anyhoo...
(Full marks to Nicola Sturgeon for her robust attitude to the Canteen Dessert lookalike - O just imagine her working together as Scotland's First Minister with Michelle Obama as England's PM!).
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"Dingying" means cold-shouldering. "Deal with him or dingy him?" means "Would you work with him, or not?"
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
As far as I can see, he's been consistently against Scottish independence.
Aye, but first he pushes for exiting from the EU, against the will of the majority of the UK populace and especially the population of Scotland.
Then each time he opens his gob thousands more in Scotland think "Independence may be expensive, but it will be worth it just to be able to say 'that gob shite is nothing to do with us'".
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Bishops Finger
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Thanks, NEQ - I thought that's what it meant, but I was trying to be ironic (or snarky) towards the Canteen Dessert Lookalike...
As my late Ma's family came originally from Dumfriesshire, I like to pick up bits of the language when I can!
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Teekeey Misha
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Why did I read this and think the voters of Oceanside had made a better decision than the voters of the US as a whole?
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Bishops Finger
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Because they did.
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Penny S
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Do you suppose toadface has picked up a sense of divine purpose as a result of surviving tht air crash? Like a certain WWI corporal did from escaping death?
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Bishops Finger
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Penny S, are you referring to Trump or Garbage? Either way, ISWYM...
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Penny S
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Farrago, who crashed in a light aircraft towing a slogan close to a previous election day, and managed to survive somehow.
Has Trump had a similar near death experience?
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Bishops Finger
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Thanks for the clarification!
Maybe Trump will also have a near death experience soon, which will hopefully make him a better man. Farrago/Garbage's accident obviously didn't...
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Has Trump had a similar near death experience?
Not yet.
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Sir David Attenborough apparently suggests 'Shoot him' re the TFO.
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Jay-Emm
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I can only see that making things worse, even the Herod fate would probably allow conspiracy.
A lightning strike maybe (perhaps the thunder could echo, "read what I f***ing wrote").
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Last time I was in one was Tusday afternoon, and as I left, the Latina staff members were exhorting me to "vote Hillary!"
I don't think I could look them in the eye today.
Do look them in the eye. Hug them. Cry with them. Tell them you voted Hillary, that you encouraged your friends to vote Hillary too. Tell them that you live in a democracy, that joining together you can all continue to protect those most vulnerable, even from the fascism of the President-elect. It is your right and duty as citizens of a democracy to stand together for what is right and good, to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic - even enemies in the White House. Stand together. Never give up. Never surrender. Remember, the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.
If I were in a room with just the adults, I'd be permitted to do just that-- and happy to do so. You don't have the luxury of breaking down in front of kids. It would be fantastic if it was a general philosophy in childcare centers to adjust the curriculum to community impacting events, in fact I wish they could, but only rich kids in emergent curriculum based preschools will get that luxury. Maybe. Federally funded programs will have to hit their marks. No matter what.
So yeah, on the one hand my heart was there all day, on the other, I'm not really sorry I was lucky enough to get some prep time. I just wish they could have it, too. At least there is a holiday.
I am scheduled at a Head Start next week. That gives me a time to process through this a little, put on my teacher face, and help the ladies hit their marks. And think of covert ways to show sisterhood.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
This is time to declare the year of the Lord's favour and the day of the vengeance of the Lord.
The first part, yes. The second part, not so much.
Jesus stopped mid-verse and I think we should too until such time as advised otherwise.
I'll quote you to Jamat elsewhere. It won't do any good.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I have a family member who has decided to never say this man's name again. Currently he is President-elect Sexual Assault.
Since President-elect Sexual Assault is a bit awkward, might I suggest the Dan Savage approach? When Sen. Rick Santorum was at his worst, Savage had a contest to change Santorum into a common noun or verb. The winning definition for santorum was, "the frothy combination of lubricant and fecal matter after anal sex." (It now is the first result on google.)
Some thing like, "Jeez, someone must have roofied me last night, cuz now I feel like someone trumped me all night long. I can barely walk." Just a thought.
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Alan Cresswell
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Just a very disturbing thought. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
Well, Alan, chaqu'un son goo.
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Thanks, I needed a laugh!
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Some thing like, "Jeez, someone must have roofied me last night, cuz now I feel like someone trumped me all night long. I can barely walk." Just a thought.
How is attempting to turn someone's name into a verb for (anal?) date rape different from constantly referring to one's opponent as Illary or Killary?
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Penny S
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Some person with an unused section of their intelligence has been suggesting the use of Forage as a liaison with Trump for the UK. Roundly shot down.
The good people go and we are left with the dregs. Another one gone tonight.
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
Well, Alan, chaqu'un son goo.
At the risk of spoiling the joke, even a French language pun, we do insist that words not in the common English lexicon are translated for the benefit of those lingually challenged, either in the same post or very shortly after.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Had a picture of the Donald adorning the front of our local rag yesterday. Can't think why. Every time I walked past it I thought -- who in heck does that face remind me of. Then it came to me , Richard Baseheart.
Sorry Dicky bit of a dead ringer I afraid. Thinking more Satan Bug than Voyage to to bottom...
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Getting back to Trump, I found this post, written by a Durham PhD, the best and most nuanced analysis I've seen from the UK about what actually happened (rather than what the wonks and pundits predicted):
https://alastairadversaria.com/2016/11/10/how-social-justice-ideology-gave-us-donald-trump/
Keep in mind before you read it that it is *not* in defense of Trump.
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Originally posted by Wyclif:
Getting back to Trump, I found this post, written by a Durham PhD, the best and most nuanced analysis I've seen from the UK about what actually happened (rather than what the wonks and pundits predicted)
Just goes to show that having a doctorate isn't insulation against being a dick and talking shite.
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The Daily Star's front page yesterday had "No, it wasn't a dream, folks, THE WORLD REALLY IS DONALD DUCKED" which I felt worked on several levels.
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I'm amazed nobody's come up with that crack before though Ariel, although possibly it's more a Brit thing than American?
'Quacking well are we Donald?'......
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Originally posted by Wyclif:
Getting back to Trump, I found this post, written by a Durham PhD, the best and most nuanced analysis I've seen from the UK about what actually happened (rather than what the wonks and pundits predicted):
https://alastairadversaria.com/2016/11/10/how-social-justice-ideology-gave-us-donald-trump/
So I have his blog on my blog-roll (and also followed in it's previous incarnation), but I think over time a lack of editing and verbosity serves to hide bad arguments, which is even more evident in his subsequent blogpost here:
https://alastairadversaria.com/2016/11/10/further-thoughts-how-social-justice-ideology-fuels-racism-and-sexism/
Take his complaints about SJWs:
"Why are the austere lines of a Manichaean ideology preferred over a social reality that is more tractable to charitable persuasion, forging of common ground, maintenance of relations across ideological divides, and working together despite differences?"
Yes, because a 'social reality that is more tractable to charitable persuasion' summarises the ways in which the right have tried to deal with feminists, blacks and the LBGT community over the years.
Which confirms my opinion that the majority of people who use the term 'social justice warriors' are <insert epithet here>
As some of the commentators on the piece you linked point out - the coarsening of debate that he bemoans has long been the in-currency of the right [wrt any comments thread on sites like littlegreenfootballs back in the day, or various subreddits these days).
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It just uses a faux objectivity to pretend that those who somehow see the freedoms enshrined and distributed to others as a threat are being reasonable.
That's not a rational argument. That's on the level of saying those who didn't want to overthrow Jim Crow had a reasonable point and should have been listened to.
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