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Thread: The Trumpocalypse from abroad
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Alex Cockell
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"When fascism comes to the Uk, it will be waving the Union Jack..."
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Bishops Finger
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Alas, I fear it already has and does...
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Stephen
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Oh, and just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, our very own dear fuckwitted fascist Nigel Garbage becomes the first UK politician to lick Trump's arse...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37965089
I know you Americans have enough to cope with, but please could you quietly intern him whilst he's on your side of the pond? And then lose the key?
IJ
Garbage and Donald Duck.........On a trumped-up charge perhaps, Bishop's Finger?
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Stephen
'Be still,then, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the nations and I will be exalted in the earth' Ps46 v10
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Alas, I fear it already has and does...
It's been doing that ever since the National Front appropriated it. What else would it have been waving but the national flag? It usually likes to begin with an appeal to patriotism.
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Bishops Finger
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Just so - but they forget that the Union Jack also incorporates the flags of what Flanders and Swann referred to as those 'rottenest parts of these islands of ours', i.e. Scotland and Wales!
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IJ
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Stephen
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Welshman signing in......
It doesn't actually Bishop's Finger. It incorporates Scotland and I think Northern Ireland but not Wales.......
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Stephen
'Be still,then, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the nations and I will be exalted in the earth' Ps46 v10
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Bishops Finger
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O bugger...
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IJ
(sorry about that)
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ThunderBunk
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Originally posted by Stephen:
Welshman signing in......
It doesn't actually Bishop's Finger. It incorporates Scotland and I think Northern Ireland but not Wales.......
By the time the Union Flag was put together, Wales was already embedded in England, thanks to Henry IV (I think), Owain Glyndwr, etc.. It was no longer held to have a separate identity, anyway.
It's definitely included; it just didn't require separate representation.
[ 13. November 2016, 21:22: Message edited by: ThunderBunk ]
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Bishops Finger
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Ah well - I think my point about the mongrel nature of the 'English' or 'Great British' still stands!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Scotland and Ireland; at the time the St Patrick's cross was added it was the whole of Ireland.
Wales is sadly neglected. The historical context is simple enough; it's about a Kingdom; the King of England was automatically already King in Wales, but the forming of the United Kingdom was the merging of two fully fledged separate Kingdoms. However, as a flag for the Nation it does seem to discount Wales entirely. Personally I think Y Ddraig Goch (Red Dragon) would look superb superimposed over the top, but that's just me.
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Penny S
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The trouble with the term Great Britain is that it originated as a geographical term, not a political one. There are, in French, two Bretagnes, the little one, Brittany, projecting into the Atlantic, and the big one, which is the island of Britain, Grande Bretagne. Nothing to do with the trumpian sense of great at all. Or that is what I learned. Some time ago.
[ 14. November 2016, 11:17: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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Sparrow
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Originally posted by Penny S:
The trouble with the term Great Britain is that it originated as a geographical term, not a political one. There are, in French, two Bretagnes, the little one, Brittany, projecting into the Atlantic, and the big one, which is the island of Britain, Grande Bretagne. Nothing to do with the trumpian sense of great at all. Or that is what I learned. Some time ago.
Thank you Penny for pointing this out! I have been trying to tell people this for years but just meet with disbelief. It's nothing to do with blowing our own trumpet and declaring how "great" we are in the modern sense of the word. It would probably help if the media weren't constantly abusing the term in "the Great British this or that".
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L'organist
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posted by Thunderbunk quote:
By the time the Union Flag was put together, Wales was already embedded in England, thanks to Henry IV (I think), Owain Glyndwr, etc.. It was no longer held to have a separate identity, anyway.
The correct term is 'occupied' or 'conquered'. The people in the west were here before the Anglo-Saxons, let alone the Normans. It was the bastardised English (more accurately their French rulers) who held that we didn't have a separate identity.
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It's definitely included; it just didn't require separate representation.
"Require"!!! There was a very good system of government running in Wales where the poorest peasant had the same access to justice from his peers as the highest prince: all of that was systematically destroyed by your French rulers.
There was no King in Wales because there were several principalities linked together by treaty and custom: as and when necessary one of the princes was chosen to represent the nation as a whole.
Again the English show their ignorance (as well as hubris) in terming the heir to their throne Prince of Wales since there was never any such fixed title gained through inheritance, it only ever being used when one of the Welsh princes was deemed to be senior and representative of them all.
In fact when you look at what has happened to English princes of wales since you killed our last princes, one might think there was a curse on the title... Certainly the English monarchy has a very high rate of second sons taking the crown through death of the first.
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Kelly Alves
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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ThunderBunk
Stone cold idiot
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L'Organist (note the infidel name - wherefore no Celtic purity?) - I was being consciously facetious in my description of the situation.
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