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Joesaphat
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Why do we have to eat mince pies everywhere, and dried fruits in everything? Why cranberry filling in chicken burgers? And who the fuck decreed that cinnamon is the 'Christmas spice'? or nutmeg? I do not want them in my coffee. I really do not. It's the 1st of December. I've not yet presided over a single one of the dozens of school and parish services lined up and I'm already gastric-ally annoyed by Christmas, as if being a vegetarian at this time were not enough.

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Seriously, is somebody forcing you to eat these? I manage to avoid them (allergies) and find plenty of other things to eat.

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Alan Cresswell

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Well, it does seem that you're some form of freak if you go into a coffee shop wanting a simple, unadulterated, hot black coffee. Adding "Christmas spice" to the vast list of options of strange things people do to coffee makes no real difference.

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And a merry Christmas to you too, Mr Scrooge.

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Bah humbug!

I manage to avoid 99% of it by having everything done - presents bought, cards written etc etc by the end of November. The tree is bought and outside ready to be put up in a week or so.

**smug zone**

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Seriously, is somebody forcing you to eat these? I manage to avoid them (allergies) and find plenty of other things to eat.

That was my reaction as well. Sure, there are a lot more mince pies around right now, but I've managed to avoid actually putting one in my mouth thus far. In fact, it wasn't even difficult to do so.

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Here it's pumpkin-everything as part of the Thanksgiving/Xmas block then continuing on with large doses of peppermint as the Big Day approaches. I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies. And I might suck on one, small candy cane before the season is over- no peppermint-anything-else. But that's it. Like most people here, I can avoid being force-fed this stuff.

Harder to avoid are Christmas carol earworms. I manage to stay out of the malls. I Xmas shop online as much as possible. But I do have to go to the grocery store occasionally where they assault us with pop holiday muzac and poorly done holiday classics. [brick wall]

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Well, it does seem that you're some form of freak if you go into a coffee shop wanting a simple, unadulterated, hot black coffee.

But it can be done. Personally I don't give a flying you-know-what about what store clerks think about my choice of beverage.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies.

Yeah, but I can't live without McDonald's pumpkin shakes.

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Harder to avoid are Christmas carol earworms . . . pop holiday muzak and poorly done holiday classics.
But it makes one all the more grateful that God created Palestrina, Bach and Robert Shaw.

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Ah y'know, I've previously been the Christmas grinch, but I'm quite enjoying this time. I think it comes from reading 19th century cookbooks (in search of an "authentic" Christmas pudding recipe) and finding that the authors were more miserable than me.

It also helps to live somewhere that doesn't have much to spend on fancy street lighting and where there isn't a £4-a-cup Starbucks.

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I love mincemeat tarts or little pies but that I get year round as an elderly Scots in my walking club shares once a month with us. The rest of the Christmas crap I can do without, which is why I love to spend Christmas where Christianity is a minority religious group.

PS I tried an eggnog flat white from an American coffee chain this year. It was foul.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Here it's pumpkin-everything as part of the Thanksgiving/Xmas block then continuing on with large doses of peppermint as the Big Day approaches. I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies.

And then there's pumpkin spice coffee. [Projectile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Well, it does seem that you're some form of freak if you go into a coffee shop wanting a simple, unadulterated, hot black coffee.

But it can be done. Personally I don't give a flying you-know-what about what store clerks think about my choice of beverage.
I know. And, that's a very reasonable and sensible statement.

But, this is Hell. Where we get to moan about walking down the road and being assaulted by overly jolly people forcing mince pies and festive-spiced coffee down our throats, shoving party hats on our heads and forcing us to sing Christmas carols in Advent. Because our streets are dangerous places, and if we step outside our front door we will be forced to participate in the festivities.

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We have a rule in our household: nothing remotely Christmassy until after my birthday which, falling within a fortnight, gives some relief.

But then we expand Christmas at the other end to always go up to the Epiphany for decorations and Candlemas for general Christmassy stuff that we like.

Anyone else noticed that once 'The Day' has gone people seem hell-bent on getting rid of decorations, etc? A friend's church is even celebrating The Epiphany on 1st January [Eek!]

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mr cheesy
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Here's a suggestion for anyone who is sick of it: make your own damn coffee, bake your own cakes and listen to radio in a language you don't understand.

You might even find the carols rather more palatable if you don't understand them. Works for me.

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mr cheesy:
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...and listen to radio in a language you don't understand.
Pandora and classical KUSC work for me.

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mr cheesy
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I'm rather enjoying listening to Christmas music in Welsh, of which I understand about 1 word in 100. Nadolig* sounds rather more interesting yn Gymraeg**.

*Christmas

**In Welsh

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies.

Yeah, but I can't live without McDonald's pumpkin shakes.
My local coffeehouse has pumpkin scones, which might make the purists' hair stand on end, but I love them. And I have a recipe for pumpkin cheesecake that I make once a year.

It's the ubiquitous Christmas muzak that makes me reconsider my membership in the human race. Just about all the other Christmas BS I can avoid, but I do have to go to the grocery store.

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Exactly.

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My local mall often has a live trio playing various bits of classical music, with some Grimbletide* stuff thrown in, very nice usually, but it's not muzak of course. (*Can't use the C-word yet, a family tradition).

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I'm rather enjoying listening to Christmas music in Welsh, of which I understand about 1 word in 100. Nadolig* sounds rather more interesting yn Gymraeg**.

*Christmas

**In Welsh

This is good advice:

Ehstehn yayau deh tsawn we yisus ahattonnia
O na wateh wado, kwi nonnwa ndaskwa entai
ehnau sherskwa trivota nonnwa ndi yaun rashata*

Have courage you who are human beings, Jesus, he is born
The bad-tricky spirit who enslaved us has fled
Don't listen to him for he corrupts the spirits of our thoughts


*Wendat language- Yisus Ahattonnia (Jesus he is born) called the Huron Carol in English, with rather different English lyrics. Familiar to all Canadians, written in 1600-something. I sang it in choir as a kid. Youtube link to a version I like.

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That's nice sounding, np. I bet it gets pretty tiresome pretty quickly though.

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Which is everything ain't it? I really dislike quite a number of Christmas songs: Jingle Bell Rock, Feliz Navidad, and the entire Boney M Christmas album.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Well, it does seem that you're some form of freak if you go into a coffee shop wanting a simple, unadulterated, hot black coffee. Adding "Christmas spice" to the vast list of options of strange things people do to coffee makes no real difference.

I am continuing to order my usual soy dry cappuccino and no eyebrows have been raised - the barista just asks 'Your usual!' and I say yes. Though I am having the Christmas blend - it seems totally unrelated to Christmas and is just a nicer coffee than the regular one, and for no extra price if you've previously ordered enough cappuccinos to have a gold membership!

I guess I must live in a world of my own, but I seem to avoid whatever Christmas barrage there is. I've not even seen a mince pie. True, the coffee shops are playing Christmas carols, but I find that a nice change from their usual music - they could play carols all year long and I wouldn't mind.

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quote:
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But, this is Hell. Where we get to moan about walking down the road and being assaulted by overly jolly people forcing mince pies and festive-spiced coffee down our throats, shoving party hats on our heads and forcing us to sing Christmas carols in Advent. Because our streets are dangerous places, and if we step outside our front door we will be forced to participate in the festivities.

You probably will at some point. 'Tis the season of office Christmas lunches. [Devil]
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Maybe, but I can't remember the last time we had a work Christmas lunch. Probably 2011.

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How have you managed to avoid them? Almost every organization usually has some enthusiastic soul who loves organizing these events.
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We got rid of our staff Christmas lunch a couple of years ago and get to go home two hours early instead.

Those who want to party do it on their own time and on their own money in one of the local-to-work pubs we're not collectively banned from and the rest of us batten down the hatches well away from the mayhem.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Seriously, is somebody forcing you to eat these? I manage to avoid them (allergies) and find plenty of other things to eat.

That was my reaction as well. Sure, there are a lot more mince pies around right now, but I've managed to avoid actually putting one in my mouth thus far. In fact, it wasn't even difficult to do so.
I'm the vicar, I spend an inordinate amount of time drinking teas and coffees and eating mince pies and other Christmasy nibbles. I may lack backbone but I simply cannot find it in me to pre-emptively say: 'omit the cinnamon.' Anyway, if you go to high street joints, you won't be given a choice, they'll sprinkle your mocha whether you want it or not.
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The café a friend and I went to on Advent Sunday evening was playing the usual cheesy Winterfest muzak, but we managed to survive the ordeal, and were later refreshed by the Advent service in the nearby Cathedral.

Here, however, is a rather cheerful version of a well-known Winterfest song - in Swedish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wtuhjivzxE&nohtml5=False

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies.

Yeah, but I can't live without McDonald's pumpkin shakes.
My local coffeehouse has pumpkin scones, which might make the purists' hair stand on end, but I love them. And I have a recipe for pumpkin cheesecake that I make once a year.

It's the ubiquitous Christmas muzak that makes me reconsider my membership in the human race. Just about all the other Christmas BS I can avoid, but I do have to go to the grocery store.

Pumpkin isn't a Christmas thing in Australia. Pumpkin scones, however, are a year round thing much favoured by the Country Women's Association. they're good.
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quote:
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Seriously, is somebody forcing you to eat these? I manage to avoid them (allergies) and find plenty of other things to eat.

I managed to pick up some sausage rolls, notice the cranberries and then swap for some smaller ones that turned out to also be cranberry (they were reduced and the sticker was over that part of the label).
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called the Huron Carol in English, with rather different English lyrics. Familiar to all Canadians, written in 1600-something.

My choral group has sung that too. It's a beautiful carol. Beautiful rendition by Chanticleer here.

But if I remember the legend correctly, the Hurons obliged the composer, Fr. Jean de Brebeuf, S.J., by beheading him.

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I lived the life of "a month of enforced mince pie eating each year" throughout my career. It was only the Christmas before I changed career that I came to the realisation:

I don't even like mince pies.

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called the Huron Carol in English, with rather different English lyrics. Familiar to all Canadians, written in 1600-something.

My choral group has sung that too. It's a beautiful carol. Beautiful rendition by Chanticleer here.

But if I remember the legend correctly, the Hurons obliged the composer, Fr. Jean de Brebeuf, S.J., by beheading him.

No, no, no, that was the Iroquois what captured him and some Huron converts and did them in.

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Ok, so now we give to you the Eleven Days from Christmas, followed by other songs like Chisnak Roasting on an Open Fire. A holopchi (holubshi) is a cabbage roll, a perdahair is a perogi both being a Ukrainian ravioli thing, a kubasaw (kielbasa) is sausage, chisnak is garlic. The link is to the whole amazingly popular 1970s Canadian prairie album, spellings of everythink Ukraine is variable. Sadly none of the songs include shislicki (pigs feet in jelly) or borscht (beet soup with herbs and vinegar with sour cream. which is much better than this sounds, beets are beets not beetroot in Canada).

щасливого Різдва (Happy/Merry Christmas - approximately = Shchazlyvoho Rizdva)

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It is possible that you may have vastly overestimated Shipmates' interest in Ukrainian-Canadian immigrant culture, and in western Canada in general.
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I lived the life of "a month of enforced mince pie eating each year" throughout my career. It was only the Christmas before I changed career that I came to the realisation:

I don't even like mince pies.

I do it for Jesus and politeness' sake but fuck do I hate them too, although not as much as Christmas pudding and the orgy of meat eating that precedes it. Mulled wine's nice. It's some sort of Saxon sangria as my dad used to put it.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
called the Huron Carol in English, with rather different English lyrics. Familiar to all Canadians, written in 1600-something.

My choral group has sung that too. It's a beautiful carol. Beautiful rendition by Chanticleer here.

But if I remember the legend correctly, the Hurons obliged the composer, Fr. Jean de Brebeuf, S.J., by beheading him.

No, no, no, that was the Iroquois what captured him and some Huron converts and did them in.
Can these tribes still be hired to protect one from Christmas music, especially of the American and French jingly sort?

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As a church minister, I find that mince pies are an occupational hazard. However I usually play a little game with myself, trying to see how far I can get through the season before eating one. The ideal is to get to about December 20th and then make sure that I eat only a home-made pie (or, at least, one made by the several excellent bakeries around our town).

However, this year has been a lamentable failure. Early in November we visited a church and were offered cakes and - yes! - home-made mince pies. Without even thinking I took and consumed one of the latter. Clearly the pies had slipped in under the radar before I was expecting them: but I have now re-applied my vow after that appalling lapse!

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quote:
Originally posted by Joesaphat:
I do it for Jesus and politeness' sake

"No thank you"

Three little words that are perfectly polite and will save you from having to eat anything you don't like. It's amazing how well they work. Give them a try next time you're offered a mince pie/Christmas pudding/cup of hemlock/etc.

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Originally posted by Joesaphat:
I hate them too, although not as much as Christmas pudding and the orgy of meat eating that precedes it. Mulled wine's nice.

I have no objection to the pudding or the meat orgy (oo-er!) but mulled wine?? Whose idea was THAT? It's like drinking warmed, scarlet-tinted dish water. Yuk.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
"No thank you"

You have clearly never had to live with the disappointment on the faces of the pupil/lady of the parish (who laboured long and hard to produce the vile confection, apparently solely for your delight) when you turn down the offering.

One of my earliest mentors said, "Whatever crap they force on you; smile, say 'thank you' and hope there's a flowerpot nearby." Alas, there seldom is, and pupils particularly seem to hang around to savour one's "enjoyment" of the sickly sweet dollop in over/undercooked pastry.

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A former Mrs. Vicar at the Church Of My Yoof was notorious for her mince pies. All pie (indigestible) and precious little mincemeat, they were The Mince Pies From Hell. I'm surprised Flanders and Swann never composed a song about them.

She was such a lovely and gracious lady, though, that no-one had the heart, courage, or gall, to tell her that her pies were sh*te...

I think Mr. Vicar devoured every other mince pie set before him with avidity, on the basis that they had to be more palatable.

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Originally posted by Leaf:
It is possible that you may have vastly overestimated Shipmates' interest in Ukrainian-Canadian immigrant culture, and in western Canada in general.

Or Welsh. Or Swedish.
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Originally posted by Leaf:
It is possible that you may have vastly overestimated Shipmates' interest in Ukrainian-Canadian immigrant culture, and in western Canada in general.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I haven't yet got enough Ukranian-Canadian immigrant culture yet.

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I think the point is that exposure to the variety of Xmas cultures is about all that remains to keep it interesting. On this Mr Cheesy and I seem to agree.

My Christamd dread is the navigating about the people, which includes the significant others, without getting into discussions of all the things where there be minefields. The list of negatory things includes: religion (there be professed anti-religion and atheists), food (there be vegetarians), politics (there be enviro-anarchists), Christmas presents (there be anti-consumerists).

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Many of the refugees and immigrants from Africa that I've worked with are very surprised to hear about pumpkin sweets.

To them it should be treated as the vegetable it is and made into stew.

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You have clearly never had to live with the disappointment on the faces of the pupil/lady of the parish

Indeed he has not

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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Here it's pumpkin-everything as part of the Thanksgiving/Xmas block then continuing on with large doses of peppermint as the Big Day approaches. I am very fond of pumpkin pie but can live without pumpkin latte, pumpkin cookies, pumpkin ice cream, pumpkin muffins, pumpkin soup, and pumpkin cookies.

Trader Joe's carries pumpkin everything from the beginning of October till the end of November (even pumpkin dog biscuits). I've been stocking up on quite a few things, but was distraught when I went in today and the pumpkin ravioli was finished for the year.
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I've always found Eccles Cakes infinitely superior to mince pies. When it comes to pumpkin, the only way my family uses them in Australia is to make yummy pumpkin soup(a winter warming staple) and as chunks roasted around the turkey or leg of lamb. I've made pumpkin scones but I'm not a very good scone maker. However my mother in law made excellent ones. Happy Christmas everybody. [Angel]

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