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the famous rachel
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quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
We just heard that our 3 year old grandson dictated a letter for his mother to send to Santa Claus, telling him not to come on Christmas Eve. He doesn't want a big strange man showing up in his house in the middle of the night. I don't believe I ever heard anything like that before.

My son, at a similar age, built a wall out of duplo across our fireplace to prevent Santa coming down the chimney. After some discussion, I wrote to Santa on his behalf to arrange for his presents to be dropped at our local post office, from where I would collect them early on Christmas morning and put them in the boy's stocking. Of course, I did nothing of the sort, but the idea soothed a troubled mind.

At that stage in the boy's development, I entirely agreed about the proliferation of Santa's being a very bad thing. He was terrified of Santa to the extent of becoming upset at the sight of small Santa dolls, and there seemed to be nowhere we could go where the big red bugger didn't appear and distress him. The window in which children both believe in Santa and are not likely to be terrified of him can actually be rather narrow, it seems to me, possibly so narrow as to reduce whatever value the world perceives Santa to have to a level not large enough to justify the continued propagation of his existence.

Best wishes,
Rachel.

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Bishops Finger
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Steve - lose the beard, dye the hair, problem solved.

rachel - what a perceptive and sensitive young chap your son was (and hopefully still is).

A few more like him, and the whole ridiculous Santa 'alternative religion' could be debunked.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Steve - lose the beard, dye the hair, problem solved.

Or keep the beard and dye it too.

We have a perfect right to appear however we want to in public, but we must also be prepared to steel ourselves to the consequences of our voluntary choices.

Involuntary choices are another matter.

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Steve Langton
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by Bishop's Finger;
quote:
Steve - lose the beard, dye the hair, problem solved.
A) Not that easy for reasons I won't bore you with; but also

B) that only solves a small part of my personal problem and does nothing about the much bigger problem of Santa on a global scale.

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Dave W.
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Spend a lot of time worrying about the "much bigger problem of Santa on a global scale", do you?
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Perhaps expand the field to the film "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians"?

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Steve Langton
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.:
Spend a lot of time worrying about the "much bigger problem of Santa on a global scale", do you?

It's not all that high on my list; but a situation in which a mythical "Santa", no longer meaningfully connected to the real "St Nicholas", has effectively taken over Christmas on behalf of some not very Christian consumerist values, is hardly a minor problem....

The existence of this thread shows that others are also concerned.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Perhaps expand the field to the film "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians"?

Nonsense propaganda put about by the anti-Martian elites.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.:
Spend a lot of time worrying about the "much bigger problem of Santa on a global scale", do you?

It's not all that high on my list; but a situation in which a mythical "Santa", no longer meaningfully connected to the real "St Nicholas", has effectively taken over Christmas on behalf of some not very Christian consumerist values, is hardly a minor problem....

The existence of this thread shows that others are also concerned.

He's a symptom, not a cause. People like the consumer Christmas and most of them don't believe the Christian story, so it's hardly surprising if a consumerist Santa arises.

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Dave W.
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.:
Spend a lot of time worrying about the "much bigger problem of Santa on a global scale", do you?

It's not all that high on my list; but a situation in which a mythical "Santa", no longer meaningfully connected to the real "St Nicholas", has effectively taken over Christmas on behalf of some not very Christian consumerist values, is hardly a minor problem....

The existence of this thread shows that others are also concerned.

There's also a thread complaining that "Christmas music" is an oxymoron.

I don't know if "Steve Langton" has any particular meaning, so it may not even rise to the level of oxymoronic...

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I've been sick of Santa for years, but would take him any day over the elf-on-a-shelf thing. Who needs a creepy stalker to brighten up their holidays?

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There's a lot to like about Santa, imho-- the notion of generosity, giving, and just joy with a bit of magic sprinkled in-- God knows we could use that right now.

And there's some stuff that just does not fit with the gospel message we're supposed to be remembering in Advent: the rampant consumerism, the manipulative-and-borderline stalker "you better watch out, you better not cry, you better be good... he sees you when you're sleeping..."

For my kids we found it worked very well to tell them about St. Nicholas as soon as they were old enough to ask about "the real Santa". And then to explain that today we honor St. Nick by calling anyone who gives a gift anonymously w/o looking for anything in return "Santa". We then invite the child in on the fun-- to find ways to give gifts w/o looking for anything in return. They grasped this easily, and it fit much more cohesively with the message of Jesus' birth than kneeling Santa nativities or strong arming "you better be good! Santa keeps a naughty or nice list!"

Also: ditto Lamb re the creepy elf on the shelf.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
I've been sick of Santa for years, but would take him any day over the elf-on-a-shelf thing. Who needs a creepy stalker to brighten up their holidays?

I do hope everyone has seen Saturday Night Live's latest skit concerning Trump, Putin, and an Elf-on-the-Shelf.
[Big Grin]

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The problem may be to many Santas and not enough St. Nicholas.Around our house we made a very big deal about St. Nicholas day. Story read and acted out by whole family, song sung. Special cookies baked, gold candy coins made of chocolate tossed about. After that Santas out and about ho hum.
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I wonder if Elf on the Shelf has evolved as a non religious Posada?

I would rather host Mary and Joseph than a misbehaving elven spy.

Also I would want to know what criteria Santa is using to justify my rating, and whether there is a right of appeal. I've been through too many bad appraisal systems...

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I'd not heard of 'Elf on the Shelf', so I hied me to Google, wot is my friend:

https://www.elfontheshelf.com/

[Eek!] WTF?

Is there no end to this ridiculous 'holiday season tradition' shite?

[Mad]

IJ

P.S. I just wanna tell you, Santa, I do love you really, Santa, really, really I do...

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Next thing someone will suggest it's possible to have too much chocolate.

85 full size bars of chocolate,apparently

though they don't say what size is "full-size"

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One of my friends, a primary school teacher, solved the whole Santa conundrum. She taught her kids about the history of St Nicholas thereby accidently proving that Santa is dead/doesn't exist.

"But miss, if St Nicholas died....Oh no"!

[Two face]

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