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Anselmina
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By the way, forgot to say, Martin's always been a bit of a favourite with me. Can't say why, because he's so esoteric at times! But to me - and it's just my personal opinion, of course - he represents something pretty special both about the journey of faith and this online community.

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I wouldn't be trying so hard to understand him if I didn't think all of that was true.

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ETA: response to Thunderbunk
Where is the evidence of your claim? Who has been pushed out for being different?
Martin doesn't engender hatred, but annoyance. Martin can express himself in his own manner and still communicate. He just has to actually communicate occasionally. Not in every utterance, occasionally.

[ 22. December 2016, 17:18: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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Martin's alright. I like reading his posts. They are better than mine.

I can understand why Eutychus got pissed off though. Martin can be clear when he wants to be.

I can do paragraphs too, and be concise.

But it takes effort. As does avoiding silly spats. I thought I had done so since being allowed back.

I will try to do better in the New Year.

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Originally posted by mousethief
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What I have seen is that the people who are really different, if it becomes uncomfortable, are shrugged off.

When I first started posting here, it was crickets for a while. At least part of that was me, I needed to learn to communicate well enough to properly engage.

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Eutychus
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<pauses, needing to look up "crickets" in the UrbanDictionary...>

(seriously: this communication thing can be hard...)

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Originally posted by mousethief
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What I have seen is that the people who are really different, if it becomes uncomfortable, are shrugged off.

When I first started posting here, it was crickets for a while. At least part of that was me, I needed to learn to communicate well enough to properly engage.
I can still get crickets if I say something about an Orthodox point of view in an Ecclesiantics thread. Indeed I remember a very long thread in perhaps Styx where people were pointing out that Ecclesiantics regulars weren't interested in discussing anything other than the vicissitudes of the Anglican Church and its former vassals. Of course you can't force people to discuss things they don't want to, and eventually most of us non-Anglicans just gave up on ever being engaged with there. <shrugs>

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Perhaps next to our post count we need a Crickets quotient, where the software counts our percentage of posts that nobody actually responded to

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mousethief

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ISTM that would be difficult to determine, as not all responses quote the post they're responding to.

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mumble mumble ... big data... mumble something ... facebook algorithms ... mutter

Yeah it would be. We could add manually counting responses to hosts duties, because they would like that very much.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Martin's alright. I like reading his posts. They are better than mine.

I will try to do better in the New Year.

Very true!
And please stop apologising.

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Why? Is apologising too Catholic for you?

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GOD: Arthur! Arthur, King of the Britons! Oh, don't grovel! If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people groveling.

ARTHUR: Sorry--

GOD: And don't apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy". What are you doing now!?

ARTHUR: I'm averting my eyes, oh Lord.

GOD: Well, don't. It's like those miserable Psalms -- they're so depressing. Now knock it off!

ARTHUR: Yes, Lord.

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Sound effects ....

Serving hatch opening in the clouds, God's amplified voice showing irritation at Arthur. Clunk of doors sliding shut at the end of the encounter.

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quote:
Originally posted by passer:
I've watched the Martin-is-a-tosser threads for years, and on occasion have been known to spring to the defence of his right to be a complete knob. Lately however, the attraction has waned, possibly because he is such a complete knob. The sheer arrogance of his pseudo-Forrest Gump-channelling simplicity masked in his deliberately obfuscatory prose no longer entertains me.

I suspect I'm not alone in wishing he'd fuck off and set himself up as a prophet somewhere else. He doesn't appear to be attracting many acolytes around here. Perhaps there's some other wilderness he could wander, in search of redemption, or whatever-the-fuck it is that he seeks.

And passer, me old cock sparra, I don't want acolytes, I want to be an acolyte. Can we grab the hem of your robe that you may lead us to be incarnational? I seek to be incarnational, with you mate.

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That's got to be a two-way process.

It's one thing to grasp the hem of someone's robe, quite another to pull their pisser.

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
And passer, me old cock sparra, I don't want acolytes, I want to be an acolyte. Can we grab the hem of your robe that you may lead us to be incarnational? I seek to be incarnational, with you mate.

(sighs)

The voice returns like the insistent out-of-tune
Of a broken violin on an August afternoon:
“I am always sure that you understand
My feelings, always sure that you feel,
Sure that across the gulf you reach your hand.

You are invulnerable, you have no Achilles’ heel.
You will go on, and when you have prevailed
You can say: at this point many a one has failed.

But what have I, but what have I, my friend,
To give you, what can you receive from me?
...

I shall sit here, serving tea to friends.…”

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To balance my earlier thought, if there were any particular feature of Martin's posts I would describe as infernal, it's his obsequiousness. It doesn't help anything or anyone, and simply makes the Ship feel like some kind of virtual tribute to Dickens.

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quote:
Originally posted by passer:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
And passer, me old cock sparra, I don't want acolytes, I want to be an acolyte. Can we grab the hem of your robe that you may lead us to be incarnational? I seek to be incarnational, with you mate.

(sighs)

The voice returns like the insistent out-of-tune
Of a broken violin on an August afternoon:
“I am always sure that you understand
My feelings, always sure that you feel,
Sure that across the gulf you reach your hand.

You are invulnerable, you have no Achilles’ heel.
You will go on, and when you have prevailed
You can say: at this point many a one has failed.

But what have I, but what have I, my friend,
To give you, what can you receive from me?
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I shall sit here, serving tea to friends.…”

That is SO good. In every way. No surprise that its Thomas Stearns. You won't believe that's who came to mind.

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To his many sins, Martin adds an obsequiousness worthy of Uriah Heep.

Yes, that is a key ingredient.

Other than his obscurantism, passive-aggressiveness, obsequiousness and incoherence he's essentially an alright bloke ...

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Aggression. Bastard.

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You. What?

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
To his many sins...

And why would you chip in at this point in the thread with that? There's been a pretty good exchange of views and what does this add now and what's the motivation?

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Gamaliel
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To say that despite his 'many didn't, Martin60 remains a 'good bloke.'

Did you not read the rest of my post?

FWIW I like Martin. I may wind him up here in Hell but elsewhere I find myself in broad agreement - when I can understand what he's saying.

If he dropped the obsequiousness and the obscurantism, he'd be ok.

There are things I need to stop doing too.

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And also things I need to start doing, such as previewing my posts. That should have read 'many sins' ... But dang that predictive text ...

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quote:
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I may wind him up here in Hell...

That answers my question more credibly than your implication that the primary motive was to say what a good bloke he is. Winding people up is a shitty activity.

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Martin60
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Yeah, but watch me go!

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I can't think what could go wrong.

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quote:
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Winding people up is a shitty activity.

As shitty activity goes it ranks a fair way down the list.
And indeed when it comes to someone winding up another on 'soc.' there is always the option of turning the fuck thing to OFF.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
quote:
Originally posted by mdijon:
Winding people up is a shitty activity.

As shitty activity goes it ranks a fair way down the list.
So is knocking over rural mailboxes, but it's still shitty. And much less likely to happen online.

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Nothing shitty gonna happen to you online if you're not online.

Not sure about rural mail boxes, we have had the craze of ramming road signs in this area for a while. Then post it online for extra tee-hee value, that is until you get traced and end up paying for the damage.

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Being shitty to Martin60 and saying what a good bloke he is at the same time is consistent with my both/and not either/or mantra.

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quote:
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Nothing shitty gonna happen to you online if you're not online.

This is roughly equivalent to, if you don't like the way I beat up everybody on the playground, don't come on the playground. One can actually want the playground to be a nice place to be, and enjoy being there when it is. And people shitting on it needn't be tolerated.

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quote:
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Being shitty to Martin60 and saying what a good bloke he is at the same time is consistent with my both/and not either/or mantra.

Jesus Christ that is crazier than a moose on meth in purple flares.

Call that a mantra if you want I think it's just hopeless foolery.

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Then you are a better man than I am mdijon.

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Either that or you can't tell when someone is pulling your pisser, you po-faced prat.

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Gamaliel, you say the most pathetic stuff that makes no sense at all, including admitting to winding people up, then think it's all OK if you pull this both/and schtick and say it was all a joke.

I don't see anyone laughing. And I really don't want the image of you pulling my pisser.

Fuck off and stop shitting on the playground.

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If you don't want your pisser pulled, put it away and stop wandering around with it hanging so obviously out if your trousers so that any passerby can take a potshot at it.

You ought to be grateful that someone has actually seen it.

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Of course it's a joke. It may not be a funny one but Martin seems to have taken it in the way it was intended.

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quote:
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You. What?

"passive-aggressiveness", I mean, I ask you. Bastard.

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quote:
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If you don't want your pisser pulled

Best admission of being a troll I've seen here in a while.

At least the racists sexists and other=stuff-ists believe what they say. Unlike you. Gamaliel. Troll. Lowest of the low.

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Goodness me, there seem to be so many Trolls wallowing the murky depths these days it makes you wonder who is left manning the decks.

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quote:
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If you don't want your pisser pulled, put it away and stop wandering around with it hanging so obviously out if your trousers so that any passerby can take a potshot at it.

Failed and baseless justification for trolling. Fuck off.

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Fair enough Martin60. I understood that.

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Gamaliel
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I will fur cough but wish you all a Happy New Year. Take care now.

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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Fair enough Martin60. I understood that.

Yeah. And you won't forget. You'll bide your time. Bastard.

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Good. At least I seem to have cured you of your obsequiousness. So at least I've done that much, even if I have pissed other people off in the process.

I do wish you and yours a Happy and Incarnational New Year. Keep us on our toes.

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And to you - with a very short 'ay' - and yours Gamaliel.

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