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That ain't frosting

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That ain't frosting

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Originally posted by Goldfish Stew:
That ain't frosting

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If you lot are finished wanking off, I'd like to get back to the wanker for whom I started this thread.
I think it fairly obvious by now that engaging the fatuous tosser merely serves to help him stroke himself silly. He's getting to spew his bigoted slime all over the thread under the pretence of being "fair".

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Originally posted by mousethief:
And here, ladies and gentlemen, we see quite nakedly what lies behind 90% of the righteous homophobia in this world: The Ick Factor.

Wouldn't the "Ick Factor" be a fetish involving lizard people?

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A lot of folk thought he'd gorn nutty over that Lizard business, now he's loaded. H'mmm....

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I think it fairly obvious by now that engaging the fatuous tosser merely serves to help him stroke himself silly. He's getting to spew his bigoted slime all over the thread under the pretence of being "fair".

It is indeed a bit like the way 2-3% of scientists who don't accept climate change (usually not actual climate scientists) are given equal time for the sake of "balance".

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quote:
Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
Highjacked? "Gay" has carried a connotation of immorality for at least 400 years; it has been used to mean homosexual for at least 150 years. What you inaccurately describe as highjacking is people successfully taking control of a perjorative used about them.

Language changes. In this case, yes, I think it has changed for the better.

I don't think this is correct re time frame. In my youth, 1960s and into the early 70s, we watched The Flintstones cartoon, lyric of the theme included "have a gay old time". Which meant 'kick up your heels fun'. A friend, who no longer uses the first name Gaye would not have been named such in the 1950s if the word's meaning had changed. Thought perhaps it meant something else sooner in some places, a code word perhaps?

A brief look through the every somewhat reliable web suggests that the usage of a word which sounds like 'gay' was not widespread until quite a bit later. I recall when I first heard the new meaning, it was ~1975 and I didn't understand. Not sure when The Flintstones changed the theme lyric to "great old time".

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
Highjacked? "Gay" has carried a connotation of immorality for at least 400 years; it has been used to mean homosexual for at least 150 years. What you inaccurately describe as highjacking is people successfully taking control of a perjorative used about them.

Language changes. In this case, yes, I think it has changed for the better.

I don't think this is correct re time frame. In my youth, 1960s and into the early 70s, we watched The Flintstones cartoon, lyric of the theme included "have a gay old time". Which meant 'kick up your heels fun'. A friend, who no longer uses the first name Gaye would not have been named such in the 1950s if the word's meaning had changed. Thought perhaps it meant something else sooner in some places, a code word perhaps?

A brief look through the every somewhat reliable web suggests that the usage of a word which sounds like 'gay' was not widespread until quite a bit later. I recall when I first heard the new meaning, it was ~1975 and I didn't understand. Not sure when The Flintstones changed the theme lyric to "great old time".

Except none of this is contrary to what Nick said. He referred to usage. You're referring to "widespread usage" (and really, usage in your particular social circle).

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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Back in the "discuss anything other than the actual point" thread, Russ is stringing Dyfed along. "Okay so there are these groups. Are you always in the group once you're placed in the group?"

Anything, Russ, except accept the facts. Throw up more sand in the eyes of your interlocutors. If I can keep changing what the conversation is about, I never have to admit that I am pitting Christians' "right" to discriminate against gay, black, etc. people's right to live in a society that doesn't treat them as sub-people. That's the only issue with the "gay cake" incident.

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Russ, of course, isn't going to show up because he thinks that being "polite" excuses both prejudice and cowardice. His tactics are getting increasingly desperate. Here's the latest:

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Originally posted by Russ:
If this is your principle, do you consider that "disadvantaged status" once acquired is for all time ? Or is there some statistic that you would look at every year to assess whether your list of disadvantaged groups was still applicable ?

I interpret that as "Oooh, when can I start discriminating again?" Or, "How long does someone have to be disabled to be considered disabled?"

As a debater, Russ is so far up his ass that he's kissing his own tonsils. As a human being ...

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It's more than that. It's code for the claim that the tables have turned and now it's the Christians who are being persecuted.

Straight, white male Christians have never had it so hard, and we still insist on all these laws that were based on discrimination against women and blacks and queers.

I read a brilliant article earlier this year about how when you're used to being privileged, equality feels like persecution. All this taking the rights of others into account, it's so tiring.

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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
Highjacked? "Gay" has carried a connotation of immorality for at least 400 years; it has been used to mean homosexual for at least 150 years. What you inaccurately describe as highjacking is people successfully taking control of a perjorative used about them.

Language changes. In this case, yes, I think it has changed for the better.

I don't think this is correct re time frame. In my youth, 1960s and into the early 70s, we watched The Flintstones cartoon, lyric of the theme included "have a gay old time". Which meant 'kick up your heels fun'. A friend, who no longer uses the first name Gaye would not have been named such in the 1950s if the word's meaning had changed. Thought perhaps it meant something else sooner in some places, a code word perhaps?

A brief look through the every somewhat reliable web suggests that the usage of a word which sounds like 'gay' was not widespread until quite a bit later. I recall when I first heard the new meaning, it was ~1975 and I didn't understand. Not sure when The Flintstones changed the theme lyric to "great old time".

I didn't say that the only meaning of "gay" was homosexual, any more than heterosexual is the only meaning of "straight" now. What you are aware of is when, following Stonewall, the word began to be used primarily or exclusively to mean homosexual, and moved beyond being slang known mainly in certain circles. And perhaps I should have said 100–150 years.

A few examples:

By the late 1800s, a "gay woman" was a prostitute, and a "gay house" was a brothel. Then there's "gay Lothario."

"Charlie Dilke Upset the Milk," an 1880s music hall song by Fred Gilbert and G.H. MacDermott about the extra-marital (and heterosexual) improprieties of Sir Charles Dilke, contains these lines:

"Master Dilke upset the milk
When taking it home to Chelsea;
The papers say that Charlie's gay
Rather a wilful wag!"

In 1889, male prostitute John Saul testified in court: "I occasionally do odd-jobs for different gay people."

In "Bringing Up Baby" (1938), when straight-laced David Huxley (Cary Grant) is encountered wearing a négligée and is asked why, he responds impatiently, "Because I've just gone gay all of a sudden." The line, an ad lib by Grant, was a double entendre that many would miss but others would catch.

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Originally posted by orfeo:
Straight, white male Christians have never had it so hard, and we still insist on all these laws that were based on discrimination against women and blacks and queers.

I read a brilliant article earlier this year about how when you're used to being privileged, equality feels like persecution. All this taking the rights of others into account, it's so tiring.

Of course in the UK, the law we're talking about isn't written about women, blacks and queers. It's written about gender, race and sexual orientation (and even includes religion). If that is interpreted as favouring women, blacks and queers then it can only be equality that feels like persecution.

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About usage of the word 'gay'....

I agree with Nick that from an original meaning of light-hearted etc., the word certainly acquired a secondary implication of ideas like reckless, 'devil-may-care', extremely irresponsible and so general loose-living. That someone 'went gaily on his way' tends to carry an implication of 'indifferent to the harm he had caused and the havoc he left behind him'.

But specifically to mean 'homosexual'??

I think what is going on here is that back when homosexuality was criminal (and to be clear, I don't think it should have been), the word 'gay' came to be used as a piece of 'argot/thieves cant' to mean homosexual. And the point of such a usage is that it is deliberately ambiguous and does indeed amount to the hijacking of a word of other meaning in order to talk apparently innocently about illegality or immorality.

There was a TV programme a few months back in which the Oxford Dictionary people appealed for the public to find 'earliest uses' of various words and phrases or, as in this case, particular senses of a more general word. "Gay" meaning "homosexual" was one of the words discussed and the point was made about the ambiguity in the situation.

A quote from Gertrude Stein about having a 'gay time' with her lesbian partner was offered as an example of the earliest use - this would be in the 1930s/40s, the previous example having been I think in the late 1950s. And the problem is clear - is Stein actually talking about having a specifically sexual time, or is she simply using the word gay in its older sense, albeit in a lesbian context? Does she mean "We did lots of gay sex" or does she just mean "We had a blithe carefree light-hearted time"?

And that will apply to lots of examples simply because there was clearly a period of deliberate ambiguity and because the word could be used in its older sense even though in a context of homosexuals.

My memory is also that even in the increasingly liberal 1960s the primary sexual meaning of 'gay' was the phrase 'gay bachelor' very much meaning a promiscuous heterosexual.

As I say, the implication is of a word previously meaning something else being hijacked via a usage in criminal argot where it was very much the point that a seemingly innocent word was used of a criminal or immoral act.

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Was woman on woman sex ever punishable with a jail term in the U.K. ?
I always took it that the word 'Gay' was used to counter the fact the most had, for many decades, associated the word Homosexual with criminality. An association that clearly had to be broken to bring to where we are today.

Maybe the time has now arrived whereby we can return to using the words heterosexual and homosexual in their rightful setting.

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Words change their meaning all the time. The word "with" now means almost the exact opposite of its original meaning of "against".

To describe this process as "hijacking" involves a view of language that is at odds with the reality of how language constantly evolves.

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Originally posted by orfeo:
Words change their meaning all the time. The word "with" now means almost the exact opposite of its original meaning of "against".

To describe this process as "hijacking" involves a view of language that is at odds with the reality of how language constantly evolves.

Yes words constantly change their meaning; and sometimes even though it's happened 'naturally' it's not a good change. Take the word 'refute'; strictly speaking, that means to very positively disprove something. In modern usage, politicians and similar figures will say "I refute that" simply to mean "I strongly deny it", without any sign of actual refutation/disproof. As a result of that ignorant usage we have effectively lost the proper meaning of 'refute'. I don't like that, but I accept it because I do know how language works.

The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

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Steve Bigot Langton:

You are objecting to the change of a word I'd wager you never use except pejoratively anyway to try to defend a statement you are pretending you didn't make with a logic that is more severely flawed than your soul. At least you are consistent.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
Was woman on woman sex ever punishable with a jail term in the U.K. ?

Not sure about Scotland but sex between women was not criminalized in England (there was an attempt as late as the 1920s to make acts of indecency between women criminal [search Hansard for "Acts of indecency by females"] which passed the House of Commons but rejected by the House of Lords [mostly on procedural grounds as it had been tacked onto another bill and not properly debated in the Commons]). However it was certainly frowned upon.

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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
What you are aware of is when, following Stonewall, the word began to be used primarily or exclusively to mean homosexual, and moved beyond being slang known mainly in certain circles. And perhaps I should have said 100–150 years.

That's helpful. I had to look up Stonewall, which comes up first on searches with the necessary history. Stonewall riot isn't we heard about, not being American. What was on our radar were the changes in the Criminal Code of Canada initiated in 1967, with PM Pierre Trudeau's famous quote ""The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation", which is generally and often quoted.

(No one should ever have to apologise for love. There's far too much cruelty in the world, and this thread contains the seeds and flowers of that great, great evil: failure to love. At this Christmastime, we commemorate the birth of someone who told us to love each each, and to be kind to one another. I'd say it's pretty much your duty as a person to express your humanness by loving others in all the ways you can. Probably trite to say, but please do, Love, in all the ways you have capability.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

But would you protest it so vigorously -- or indeed at all -- if you didn't have such a hardon of hate against gays?

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

But would you protest it so vigorously -- or indeed at all -- if you didn't have such a hardon of hate against gays?
I care about gays; the Greek word for care is, I believe, 'agapE'. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't care.
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

But would you protest it so vigorously -- or indeed at all -- if you didn't have such a hardon of hate against gays?
I care about gays; the Greek word for care is, I believe, 'agapE'. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't care.
When you "care" enough to call them the "worst" and argue for allowing businesses to discriminate against them, equate them all with a physical act that does not distinguish them in any way and telegraph your disgust for that act -- exactly what definition of the word are you using?

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:

anal sex obsession

Time to do some math, Steve. The overwhelming majority of anal sex acts are enjoyed by opposite-sex couples.
1) Please remind me where and in what context I posted the phrase 'anal sex obsession'.

2) Yes, I know that most anal sex is heterosexual. The point is of course that from a Christian point of view such acts are to say the least questionable in the heterosexual context - they don't become any less questionable when performed between two men.

3) anoesis, while I'd not read the particular quote, I'm aware of Stephen Fry's views at this point. And also of a verse in the Bible where one David says of his friend Jonathan "Your love for me was greater than the love of women". I very much believe in love between men - but not in acts between males which in effect parody the sexual relationship which biblically God clearly intended to be heterosexual.

4) The reaction to my raising that issue does rather put a question on the idea that the 'gay' issue is only about what people 'are' and not also about what they DO.

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Let me see if I understand your logic -- "Y'all say it's about what they ARE and not what they DO. In my comments I made it about what they DO and y'all reacted negatively to that. Therefore you must think it's about what they DO also."

Is that what you're getting at with your #4?

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Perhaps this is the argument:

We: Being gay is about who you are, not what you do.

You: It's about what you do, and what they do is anal sex.

We: They do not all do anal sex.

You: Ah, so you admit it's about what they do and not who they are.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

But would you protest it so vigorously -- or indeed at all -- if you didn't have such a hardon of hate against gays?
I care about gays; the Greek word for care is, I believe, 'agapE'. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't care.
I agree that you care about them. Indeed, they seem to be a topic that you care about to the point of obsession.

This is not the same as having any affection for them. Language again. Saying "I care" is merely a confirmation of your interest, especially when you care ABOUT.

Personally I'd be delighted if you stopped caring about me and poured your spare time into some other hobby.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
The change that has occurred with the word 'gay' involves a much more deliberate misuse of the word and more of a "knowing what we're doing" situation, and I think the phrase 'hijacked' is basically appropriate to what happened. I may have to accept it - but like what's happened to 'refute', not without protest!!

But would you protest it so vigorously -- or indeed at all -- if you didn't have such a hardon of hate against gays?
I care about gays; the Greek word for care is, I believe, 'agapE'. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't care.
It also leaves unanswered the question of how you express your love of gays and lesbians, and what you actually do.
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
I care about gays; the Greek word for care is, I believe, 'agapE'. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't care.

Hsve you met any gay person who likes your care?
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:

anal sex obsession

Time to do some math, Steve. The overwhelming majority of anal sex acts are enjoyed by opposite-sex couples.
1) Please remind me where and in what context I posted the phrase 'anal sex obsession'. ...
Oh, well, you got me there. You often post in great length and detail about anal sex, but you're right, you haven't actually acknowledged you're obsessed with anal sex.

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unacknowledged anal sex obsession

Is that better?

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You often post in great length and detail about anal sex,
Actually, I don't think I've even mentioned it that often at all. Let alone 'in great length and detail'. Though I have occasionally 'spelled it out' so that that particular bit of ugly reality doesn't get fudged out by vague and non-specific stuff about 'love'.

Hard to avoid mentioning it at all when discussing 'gay sex', but I'm no keener on the subject than that other Stephen seems to be.

So why do you think I mention it so often??

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It is in fact very EASY to avoid mentioning it. "Gay sex" consists of sexual intimacy between two people of the same gender who are sexually attracted. Which has absolutely nothing to say about where the body parts of the 2 people might be relative to one another.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
fudged out

Seriously?

The squelchy details of other people's sex lives are not my cup of tea regardless of whether they're gay, straight, furry or xenophiliac. One has to wonder (even if one would rather not) how much time Steve spends contemplating these things in order to determine that he finds some people's sex lives icky and others not. Too long by at least half, I would guess.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
Though I have occasionally 'spelled it out' so that that particular bit of ugly reality doesn't get fudged out by vague and non-specific stuff about 'love'.

I'd love to see a wedding card you wrote. Cutting to the chase about the reality of a bit of PIV because that's all it's really about.

You could do a range of cards, make a bit of coin on the side.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
About usage of the word 'gay'....

I agree with Nick that from an original meaning of light-hearted etc., the word certainly acquired a secondary implication of ideas like reckless, 'devil-may-care', extremely irresponsible and so general loose-living. That someone 'went gaily on his way' tends to carry an implication of 'indifferent to the harm he had caused and the havoc he left behind him'.

Like the members of tiny sects that are trying to "Hijack" the word Christian to apply only to their own practice and not the common and historical usage. They want it to mean their practices which are "indifferent to the harm they cause to others and the havoc they wreak."

That would be you Steve.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
Though I have occasionally 'spelled it out' so that that particular bit of ugly reality doesn't get fudged out by vague and non-specific stuff about 'love'.

Which particular bit of ugly reality? Can you spell this out? It's being fudged out by your intentional passive-aggressive vagueness here.

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Sticking your twig up to the berries in the naughty hole, especially if it another bloke's

[ 26. December 2016, 17:18: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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So why do you think I mention it so often??
Because you are obsessed with it apparently. You don't even realize how often you come out with it. Seriously Steve, even to a casual reader of these threads such as myself (you may notice I don't often comment on them, that's because I read them only sketchily) sees it. You can't get your mind out of the gutter long enough to see what anyone else is saying. It is blatently obvious to anyone else.

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And I wish his mind hadn't gone to the word 'fudged' in that context, either.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Sticking your twig up to the berries in the naughty hole, especially if it another bloke's

This is the centrality of it, then. Not love, which is too vague. Not explicit enough. It follows as night follows the day opposite-sex marriage isn't about love, either, but jamming one's piss wand up a young lady's rabbit hole. I wish Steve would come out with his real feelings about this, and not beat around the bush.

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And I wish his mind hadn't gone to the word 'fudged' in that context, either.

That does seem to be a concern of his. Perhaps we just need to explain douching to Mr Langton and all of his worry, anger and disgust will disappear?
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(Bites back curiosity about the benefits of douches over enemas)

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Douches, literal or figurative, do more harm than good.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
... I wish Steve would come out with his real feelings about this, and not beat around the bush.

Beating around the bush is probably his main extracurricular activity.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
... I wish Steve would come out with his real feelings about this, and not beat around the bush.

Beating around the bush is probably his main extracurricular activity.
Wait, I don't get it. This is awfully vague.

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Does he need to spell it out?

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Douches, literal or figurative, do more harm than good.

Wait, what? What do you know about the literal ones that I don't?

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Douches, literal or figurative, do more harm than good.

Wait, what? What do you know about the literal ones that I don't?
An article among many.

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