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Source: (consider it) Thread: Russ, you are either incredibly stupid or a Trolling Bigot
Erroneous Monk
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
.... like the nightclub example given on either this thread or the DH one.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
WHO THE FUCK IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

Discrimination is being discriminated against. Steve, the Homophobe, Langton is protecting the right to hate those Jesus hated.

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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
But I'm pretty sure we'd all be worried if there was a state of affairs where refusing to publish or sell Mein Kampf would get you into legal trouble....

If you agreed to order a copy of Mein Kampf for a customer and accepted payment for it but then later decided that selling it was against your beliefs, I'm pretty sure you could be sued for breach of contract if nothing else.

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orfeo

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
WHO THE FUCK IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

Discrimination is being discriminated against. Steve, the Homophobe, Langton is protecting the right to hate those Jesus hated.
Overnight, with the opportunity for some calmer reflection, I concluded he's probably concerned about discrimination against Godwin.

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Steve Langton
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
But I'm pretty sure we'd all be worried if there was a state of affairs where refusing to publish or sell Mein Kampf would get you into legal trouble....

If you agreed to order a copy of Mein Kampf for a customer and accepted payment for it but then later decided that selling it was against your beliefs, I'm pretty sure you could be sued for breach of contract if nothing else.
My admittedly somewhat rusty law degree says you are likely right about that. But it would legally be a very different issue either from the one I actually outlined there, or from the 'gay bakery/discrimination' issue. You might be in breach of contract, but there wouldn't as far as I can see be issues of hate crime etc.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
WHO THE FUCK IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

Discrimination is being discriminated against. Steve, the Homophobe, Langton is protecting the right to hate those Jesus hated.
Overnight, with the opportunity for some calmer reflection, I concluded he's probably concerned about discrimination against Godwin.
Is that Godwin Grech?

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orfeo

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Depends on who the customer is, and why you cancelled the order.

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[ 07. January 2017, 01:16: Message edited by: orfeo ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
My admittedly somewhat rusty law degree says you are likely right about that. But it would legally be a very different issue either from the one I actually outlined there, or from the 'gay bakery/discrimination' issue. You might be in breach of contract, but there wouldn't as far as I can see be issues of hate crime etc.

Point of information. Is discrimination (say by not selling to gays) a hate crime? I thought hate crimes were by and large criminal (and in particular violent) and not civil offenses.

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You're asking Langton for information?

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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
You're asking Langton for information?

[Killing me]

Well, I'd accept an answer from orfeo. Wait did I say accept? Prefer.

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Steve Langton
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Mousethief, my precise phrasing was
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issues of hate crime etc.
"Etc..." as in "all the various aspects of discrimination law, as distinguishable from the different issue of of 'breach of contract' in the post I was replying to". Trying to cover everything to avoid nit-picking responses....
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So you are not planning to tell me the moral difference between supply of pasties vs iced cakes, Steve?

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mousethief

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So by "etc" you mean "and anything else I need to throw in there to make my argument work, to be decided when needed"?

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
My admittedly somewhat rusty law degree says you are likely right about that. But it would legally be a very different issue either from the one I actually outlined there, or from the 'gay bakery/discrimination' issue. You might be in breach of contract, but there wouldn't as far as I can see be issues of hate crime etc.

Point of information. Is discrimination (say by not selling to gays) a hate crime? I thought hate crimes were by and large criminal (and in particular violent) and not civil offenses.
Yeah, more than once I've tried to stop people from equating "against the law" with "crime".

But when it comes to the people who want to convey how terrible it is for the law to require decent treatment of the queers, it's so much more emotionally resonant for them to talk about "crime" and generate images of good, decent homophobes risking jail time.

"Hate crimes" are pretty much crimes, but with heavier sentences because law-makers want to discourage certain motives. So in some places there are heavier penalties for bashing a queer because of being queer, or bashing a Jew for being a Jew. But the starting point is that bashing people is a crime anyway.

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There's also things like "inciting racial hatred" in the UK that specifically punishes stirring up racism and isn't tied to a particular crime aside from that racism.
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Just to record the fact that the incredibly stupid bigoted trolling (or trolling bigotry) continues apace among the deceased equines. Even they are thinking of raising some kind of petition to evict or silence, I believe.

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If you could keep it over there, I'd be awfully grateful...

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orfeo

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Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

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mousethief

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As soon as somebody shoots down one of his sick-fuck arguments, he drops it without a word and comes up with another. It's the classic "Oh yeah well what about..." tactic I have seen with conservatives since I've been debating/arguing with conservatives. Never admit your argument has died in ignominious defeat. Just pull out a new one. It's sort of the serial version of the Gish Gallop.

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If anything it's a circular version, with the earlier arguments that have been dismissed being rephrased and rolled out for another run in the neverending Dead Horse Selling Stakes.

[ 12. January 2017, 08:18: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Doc Tor
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And that's precisely why we have DH. If anyone (let alone Russ) could come up with something new, that, in itself, would be a novelty.

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And that's precisely why we have DH. If anyone (let alone Russ) could come up with something new, that, in itself, would be a novelty.

Except that is not why I started this thread and not the problem with Russ, the Cowardly Bigot. Even Steve, the Homophobe, Langton actually tries to engage with what the others are saying. RCB shifts away. Even pure stupidity would occasionally find itself in a normal exchange, so it must be intentional as well.

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Okay I'm past done with the self-righteous coot. It's clear he is looking to justify his existing prejudice and nothing else. He has a politician's ability to avoid answering questions and a conspiracy theorist's ability to shrug aside all evidence and argument that tells against his private fantasy. Somewhere in there, there may be a thinking, rational human being. By you wouldn't know it by anything posted on the current DH thread.

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orfeo

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What does my head in is all the times Russ sounds like he's discovering how democracies and laws work for the very first time.

What? You mean sometimes people are told by the law to do things they don't want to?

Yes, you moron. The fact that you've never noticed this before is your privilege talking. And now you're like a child who can't accept the fact that Dad imposed a bedtime.

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lilBuddha
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Again I say the piece of shite is intentionally trolling. Too bad he is too much of a coward to post here.

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What now?

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lilBuddha
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What now?

Nothing new, and that is precisely the point. The only reason I reply to that bigoted, deceptive coward is that there may be others reading who are facing these issues honestly.

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