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Thread: Michael Nazir-Ali: go stick your head back whence it came
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Arethosemyfeet
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Isn't 2% well below the level at which we tend to discount survey results as reflecting the people taking the piss out of the survey questions? Usually there's a about 10% of the population that will agree to any proposition no matter how ridiculous.
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SvitlanaV2
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I didn't think it was all that contentious to say that some clergy are atheists. It's been a topic for debate for a long time. In the USA there's a whole support network for those who remain in their posts and keep their beliefs hidden.
I won't post links since this is Hell, not Purg, and it's off-topic anyway. The point is that our churches are pluralistic, and in some parts of the country, this could well mean that different faith groups begin to worship together as well as simply having polite conversations with each other. Who knows?
In Berlin they're building a 'House of One', a structure in which Christians, Jews and Muslims will worship separately, but clearly with a shared ethos. The name itself suggests some shared theological thinking.
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Gee D
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Atheist/agnostic priests sound very odd to me, holding an office (and presumably being paid for it) while not believing in the basis for that office. Still, it is consistent with those bishops who announced their future swim of the Tiber but took pay for the next couple of months from the C of E.
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Arethosemyfeet
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Oh, I'm sure there exist clergy who have lost their faith and feel trapped or somehow feel they should be able to continue in post. What I doubt is any sense that this is expected or widely tolerated within any major British Christian denomination. The former Bishop of Edinburgh, Richard Holloway, is a classic example - only revealing the full extent of his difficulties after he retired.
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Fr Weber
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
Nah, she's a goofball. Her bishop wound up inhibiting her.
And she has apparently since been defrocked:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Holmes_Redding
I think that was an entirely appropriate response, but I'm not sure I'd call her a "goofball". It sounds like she had a profound spiritual experience and tried to reconcile it with her existing faith. I do think she's wrong, however - you can only be Christian and Muslim if you fudge one or both of them so profoundly as to be unrecognisable.
Well, presumably she had enough of a theological education to understand the distinctness and opposition of Muslim and Christian truth claims. In fact, anyone with the most elementary understanding of logic will instantly see that the two religions are not compatible in the way she thinks they are. The Christian belief that Jesus is God incarnate and the Muslim belief that Jesus is purely human cannot be made to harmonize.
And she seems not to have seen fit to take her bishop into confidence about the matter, which is either disobedient or dumb. So I stand by "goofball."
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L'organist
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Nazir-Ali is at is again: go to the GAFCON UK website (we should always attempt to understand our enemy) and you will find his "critique" of the Bishops' Report - you may find it useful to have a bowl or motion-discomfort bag handy.
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Arethosemyfeet
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Originally posted by L'organist:
(we should always attempt to understand our enemy)
Problem is, after doing that I really feel the need to take a shower.
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