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Brenda Clough
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I can tell you that Americans are fully aware, about 60 percent of the population at least, and we are trying to do something about it. We cannot however just throw the rascal out. Not yet.

Since November I myself have:
knitted a dozen pussyhats, will knit more
called at the offices of both my Senator and congressman to express my concerns
mailed, emailed and phoned representatives
joined both Planned Parenthood and the ACLU
joined action groups on line
marched in Washington DC on January 21
plan to march on April 15 and April 22
looked into running for office (not on, in my navy-blue district)
am actually running for vestry (next best thing)

Any other suggestions are welcome.

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Any other suggestions are welcome.

You've done/are doing a lot, Brenda! Just one more suggestion... see my signature. (I've got 200 postcards ready to drop in a mailbox on Wednesday.)

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Brenda Clough
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Oh, I have a couple right here. They're addressed but I haven't yet decided which of the plethora of issues I want to address on them. So many possibilities!

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Alan Cresswell

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200 postcards is no where near enough, even with two or three issues on each card.

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Stercus Tauri
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I can tell you that Americans are fully aware, about 60 percent of the population at least, and we are trying to do something about it. We cannot however just throw the rascal out. Not yet.

Since November I myself have:
knitted a dozen pussyhats, will knit more
called at the offices of both my Senator and congressman to express my concerns
mailed, emailed and phoned representatives
joined both Planned Parenthood and the ACLU
joined action groups on line
marched in Washington DC on January 21
plan to march on April 15 and April 22
looked into running for office (not on, in my navy-blue district)
am actually running for vestry (next best thing)

Any other suggestions are welcome.

Many people have sent donations to Planned Parenthood in Mike Pence's name, ensuring that he is listed as a generous donor, and will receive a tax receipt for his generosity. No doubt he will feel obliged to declare that to the public in the interests of transparency.

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The Planned Parenting one is really funny, and sad.

Thanks for the reassurance that this is moving along. The guy will probably be out of office when?

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Tomorrow isn't soon enough.

I was in full eye-roll mode when the orange one was lauded for his 'presidential' speech to Congress. Why are people patting him on the back for doing what should be expected? I know. It's just a rhetorical question.

Leon Panetta has been on the TV quite a lot recently stating how dangerous t's tweets are. If it's accepted that he is not really to be believed, then what happens if there's a real emergency? People will laugh and say, "It's just Trump. Pay no mind."?

It's so frustrating seeing this buffoon acting like a spoiled three-year-old every day. Are we the only ones suspecting he's missing some marbles?

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jedijudy

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Just to add, I'm not a Leon Panetta fan. He has been around the block a few times, however.

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Brenda Clough
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If you donate to Planned Parenthood in Mike Pence's name he gets a thank-you letter. I bet they have it saved in their programs, and print out the correct number every day. You, the person with the money, get the tax deduction however. So donate away!

We joined the ACLU in January. My husband did it on line, and reported that there was no swag left. All the branded items in the on-line store were sold out; there were no tee shirts, mugs, mouse pads, etc. left in stock. PP has has a huge boost in membership as well. We also joined AARP (the American Association of Retired Persons) because they're rabid pit bulls on elder issues like Social Security and Medicare. And we are now discussing joining the League of Women Voters.

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So remind me, what is so great about Planned Parenthood?

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Pigwidgeon

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They provide various types of health care and contraception for women at very low cost (maybe even no cost in some cases?).

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There's a General Abortion Thread in DH, where anyone so inclined can answer that question...

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lilBuddha
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Except it is Pigwidgeon's point that Planned Parenthood is soo much more than abortion.

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Yes. But our more, er, 'conservative' posters will get stuck on one point, and that point doesn't need thrashing out here.

Just trying to head trouble off at the pass.

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Penny S
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Got this in my head.

Scott Pruitt
Claims man didn't do it
More research is needed
(But will research be heeded?)
We're all going to rue it.

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The new Health Care Bill has gotten Congressional Budget OFfice analysis and it's pretty horrible. The one consolation is that it takes health care coverage away most heavily from parts of the population who voted for Trump.
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quote:
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The new Health Care Bill has gotten Congressional Budget OFfice analysis and it's pretty horrible. The one consolation is that it takes health care coverage away most heavily from parts of the population who voted for Trump.

Except many will blame the original Affordable Care Act. You can bet that is what the politicians will do.

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Brenda Clough
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It also bobs out a lot of health care for women.

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Palimpsest
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It does many bad things. But the Trump fans complaining that it's Obama's fault is going to stop when they die without medical coverage.
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Alan Cresswell

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Yes, the Obama administrations behaved in such a despicable way. Providing a means for people to obtain a basic, and often inadequate, level of healthcare which had previously been beyond their means - only to have that small boon snatched from them by the Trump administration. What right did Obama have in giving people a glimpse of what they could have if only they were wealthy knowing that a Republican administration would deny them of that?

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quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
It does many bad things. But the Trump fans complaining that it's Obama's fault is going to stop when they die without medical coverage.

If they're dead, they won't be in a position to complain about anything, surely?

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I am the only one who felt very excited when faced with the headline “Trump’s tax return leaked” and was then cruelly disappointed after clicking through to the actual article?

I have some sympathy for the view that he leaked it himself. It’s the recent ones someone needs to leak. Taken that he is quite possibly the most shameless human being on the planet, what could possibly be so embarrassing that even he doesn’t want anyone to see them?

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Brenda Clough
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I would bet anything that it is not merely embarrassing. Why would the PussyGrabber care about mere embarrassment? He has no shame anyway; he has done far worse things and you can view it on videotape. I cannot imagine what would shame him, and I have a good imagination.
No. There is criminal evidence in there, probably fraud or tax evasion. He -cannot- let those returns out. For our part we may hope that this is the tiny rift in the lute that will, by and by, make the blatting and sputtering mute.

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Pigwidgeon

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Has anyone checked his microwave? Perhaps they can find his more recent returns there.

Better yet, maybe he has one of these spying on him.

[Eek!]

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romanlion
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So let me see if I understand this correctly...

Madbrows big scoop was that Trump paid most of 40 million dollars in federal income tax in a single year?

And as cover for their idiocy the suggestion is floated that Trump himself leaked the returns? A tacit admission that they may have been completely trolled?

That is a rare level of genius right there...

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It would appear that the tax return that has been unearthed is the only one in recent years that he has paid anything at all - as well as being the one with the largest income. That second part is probably what embarrasses Trump, and the real reason why he's been so coy with his returns.
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lilBuddha
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Hah! He's just a millionaire. Peasant.

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

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Alan Cresswell

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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
It would appear that the tax return that has been unearthed is the only one in recent years that he has paid anything at all - as well as being the one with the largest income. That second part is probably what embarrasses Trump, and the real reason why he's been so coy with his returns.

I was thinking along similar lines. What is it that he would actually want to hide?

He's made no secret of the his admiration for people who manage to avoid tax through off-shore accounts and other measures. So, if his tax returns show a large income with low tax by such avoidance schemes he'd be using them to boast about his own cleverness.

If his tax returns show illegal tax avoidance, rather than clever use of legal loop-holes, then I'm sure the IRS would have been all over him long ago.

But, he's made a big thing of his business prowess (and, how that makes him suitable to be President - as though CEO and President are even similar). If his tax returns show that his businesses have not resulted in a substantial income, that he's struggling to maintain a multi-millionaire lifestyle on limited income ... well, that would be a massive embarrassment.

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Hedgehog

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Keep in mind that what was released was not a full tax return...just a fragment of one. Two pages, without supporting forms etc. Heck, I earn just a small fraction of what Trump (allegedly) reported on the return and my return is way more than 2 pages long. When people have been demanding to see his returns, what is wanted are those other pages: showing what he actually paid to charitable organizations (and which ones) and listing actual sources of income rather than just the total amount. That information is not presented on these 2 pages.

And that is assuming that these 2 pages are legit. The White House has not denied that they are his returns, but honestly unless the pages come from the IRS I wonder if they aren't just made-up sheets to sucker in stupid reporters who would rather be first on the air with news than actually verify sources.

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I watched the full episode last night. Yes, there was not a lot newsworthy in the tax return itself, and yes the speculation was raised there as well that Trump himself leaked the return-- probably because 2005 was the best (least incriminating) return he had, so by leaking it dramatically so it turns out a bust he hopes to take the heat off the more recent returns and whatever they may hide.

But what was interesting in the program was the argument Maddow made for why it was important to see those more recent returns-- to address charges of conflict of interest. She presented circumstantial evidence of what could very well be money laundering for Russian oligarchs in more recent land deals. I found, as always, her investigative reporting and argumentation quite sound.

I just hope MSNBC is providing her with good security, including a food taster.

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quote:
Originally posted by JonahMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
It does many bad things. But the Trump fans complaining that it's Obama's fault is going to stop when they die without medical coverage.

If they're dead, they won't be in a position to complain about anything, surely?
Yes. That was my point. Glad you figured it out.
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Unless that fragment of a tax return is authenticated by the IRS - which it won't be - it has no value whatsoever. Anyone can download the form, fill it in and send it off to a gullible TV station. It may be genuine, but there's absolutely nothing to prove it, unless we are all content with the assurance from donald fart's staff. There's no way to know that that's what was actually submitted and never amended. This isn't news - just another diversion.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hedgehog:
I wonder if they aren't just made-up sheets to sucker in stupid reporters.

quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
But what was interesting in the program was the argument Maddow made for why it was important to see those more recent returns. . . . I found, as always, her investigative reporting and argumentation quite sound.

Rachel Maddow is probably the most intelligent and thoughtful broacast magazine moderator on cable today. Her stories always seem to be carefully researched, fact-checked and written. She is far from being a "stupid reporter" who can be "suckered in."

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cliffdweller
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quote:
Originally posted by Hedgehog:
I wonder if they aren't just made-up sheets to sucker in stupid reporters.

quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
But what was interesting in the program was the argument Maddow made for why it was important to see those more recent returns. . . . I found, as always, her investigative reporting and argumentation quite sound.

Rachel Maddow is probably the most intelligent and thoughtful broacast magazine moderator on cable today. Her stories always seem to be carefully researched, fact-checked and written. She is far from being a "stupid reporter" who can be "suckered in."

Agreed-- and I would add "courageous" to the list of adjectives.

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She's not just smart; she went to Stanford and got a Rhodes Scholarship and her PhD from fucking Oxford. She always provides background and context and history. And she's funny. There really isn't anyone in media to compare with her.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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So has anyone heard anything about the effectiveness of the Ides of Trump postcard mail-in campaign? Was the White House mail room overwhelmed, as had been hoped? Or hasn't the Postal Service gotten around to delivering them yet?

I haven't seen anything on the news about it.

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Brenda Clough
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If I were the PGinChief I would instruct the White House mail room to not breathe a word about them. A black hole of news, with nothing coming out. If nothing is said, no news is made, eh?

You can bet your life that he'll never look at them, he not being known for reading anything. But the WH volunteers will have to tabulate them all.

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Meanwhile, apparently, MI6 was spying on Trump.

Because, y'know, we've got nothing better to do than waste time wiring the kitchen appliances in Trump Towers on the off-chance we might hear something of value... about his (failing) businesses or his reality TV shows or golf tournaments.

Oh but wait, he doesn't go in the kitchen does he? That's what his women are for.

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I thought trumpasoreass rex's discussion of wiretapping, well, I don't know what to think because it....

Wiretap conspiracy theory

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I had been reading about things. I read in – I think it was January 20th, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article, I think they used that exact term. I read other things. I watched your friend Bret Baier the day previous, where he was talking about certain, very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. I said “Wait a minute, there’s a lot of wiretapping being talked about.” I have been seeing a lot of things.


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Every time Trump blathers about something he's seen or read, I wonder if he's been told that as President, he has access to many other sources of information besides cable news and crackpot websites .... it reminds me of a joke from a Bond movie:

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James Bond: Are these pictures live?

M: Unlike the American government, we prefer not to get our bad news from CNN.

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THing is, SOror Magna, all those other sources are corrupt liberal lying sources, from the FBI and the CIA right on down. He simply can't trust anything they say, because he knows in his heart that they are wrong.

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The news has had some almost funny aspects for most of this week - and I offer up thanks every day for Kellyanne - but it will be a lot less funny if something serious blows up internationally. The USA will go down like the Titanic if the fart is still in the White House. When a country finds it has nobody in charge, somebody needs to get the message that whatever the due process is, it needs to be invoked urgently to rid itself of this intellectually stunted, paranoid weakling.

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I can say that I have contributed to this.

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And I followed a link from there to find that some guy called Mulvaney reckons it's compassionate to cut funding for Meals on Wheels.
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Sean Spicer's defence of the indefensible was just about the most ludicrous performance by a White House spokesperson that I have ever seen. And the GCHQ allegation is truly ridiculous. It has provoked an unprecedented statement to that effect from the agency.

Trump's interview with Tucker Carlson was a classic example of the blundering incoherence of which he is capable when doubling down on some nonsense he has tweeted. But to see a loyal White House spokesperson multiplying the chaos is to see just how much disease and chaos can be created by the dark side of Trump's peculiar personality.

Spicer is forced to be loyal I suppose. It's that or resign. But I think he should resign for the sake of his own sanity.

What was it Ziegler, Nixon's Press Secretary said? "All previous statements are inoperative", I think. Yes, that would do nicely today as well.

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GCHQ rebuttal here.

There have been some odd people aiding Mr President at times, cf Donald Rumsfeld, but the current crop make them look sane and reasonable. Then again, contrast Trump and Dubya.

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A BBC news bulletin this morning confirmed that the White House has agreed not to repeat the GCHQ allegations. I wonder just who in the White House gave that promise. And I wonder if the Deceiver-in-Chief was consulted.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

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PS There is now a UK Government Statement, issued by Theresa May's spokesperson. This is what it says.

"We've made it clear to the US administration that these claims (re GCHQ) are ridiculous and should be ignored. We've received assurances that these allegations won't be repeated."

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Mind you, there is a part of me thinking that if there is a chance of a bozo like Trump getting the job, we would want to find out all we can about him. It is what security agencies are for. I'm sure the CIA checked Theresa May for more than shoe size.

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It was interesting to see that the allegation disappeared from the NY Times and Washington Post website front pages very quickly this morning. On the other hand, as someone pointed out on the BBC, why the hell would anyone bother to wiretap donald fart when he does such a good job of it himself with Twitter?

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