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Pigwidgeon

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Originally posted by sabine:
Here is the 'historical marker" for the Bowling Green massacre

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An important distinction is now clarified - judge: agrees with Trump. So-called judge (i.e. Not a valid one): disagrees with Trump.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
An important distinction is now clarified - judge: agrees with Trump. So-called judge (i.e. Not a valid one): disagrees with Trump.

disagrees with Trump:
unemployed judge.

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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
An important distinction is now clarified - judge: agrees with Trump. So-called judge (i.e. Not a valid one): disagrees with Trump.

disagrees with Trump:
unemployed judge.

Although this is a travesty, the Attorney General is not a judge.

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A question which has arisen more than once: Is the PG in Chief really a liar? Or is it that he actually cannot distinguish truth from what he wishes were so?

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orfeo

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When you run a company, no-one has to explain separation of powers to you.

The man thinks he's been elected CEO of America.

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Stercus Tauri
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What a relief it is to be able to enjoy the news again. Impotent, but with globally embarrassing hair. He must be pissed to have a urologist go public with this.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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Interesting. I wonder what exactly is meant by "ejaculatory and orgasmic dysfunction." Does that mean he's going unexpectedly to come in his underpants when he next addresses Congress? If so, perhaps he should look into disposable underwear. Just imagine -- the company in question could advertise "Disposable undergarments by appointment to His Majesty the Presidential Pretender of the United States."

Also, the sentence "Whether this medication is safe for individuals holding political office has not been studied" has got to be the understatement of the year.

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orfeo

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Seriously? Do we HAVE to trawl through anything and everything for explanations and justifications of why Trump acts like an arsehole?

Maybe he's just, you know, a horrible person?

This is nothing more than junk science.

[ 05. February 2017, 11:49: Message edited by: orfeo ]

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Seriously? Do we HAVE to trawl through anything and everything for explanations and justifications of why Trump acts like an arsehole?

Maybe he's just, you know, a horrible person?

This is nothing more than junk science.

I am sort of with you in this. there is a lot of "Is Trump mentally ill" stuff, and it is near offensive. He may have health problems and issues. But he is responsible for his action, his actions are vile, and the evidence is that he is just an obnoxious and despicable person. He has no excuses.

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My wife and I joined a small anti-Trump demonstration in our town yesterday. Perhaps 150 came along. All right, I'm sure that Trump won't have noticed - but (and I say this as a person who rarely joins in such actions) it felt necessary to do and say somethingh, even if only to salve our consciences.

An account was placed on our local paper's website, and what's amazing is the amount of vitriol that has unleashed (and on a moderated site, too - this isn't Facebook). Comments such as "a rag tag bunch of losers who think they can change the policy of a country 3000 miles away", "dumb liberals", "jumping on the bandwagon" and "deluded individuals who leach of the public purse" (?) are just the start, allied to a generalised comment that we never protest about hings in Britain, which simply isn't true.

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Bishops Finger
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Nasty, but don't fret too much about it, BT. At least you did something - and that sort of vitriol is ejaculated by the same fuckwits over anything that rattles their cage. Pity they don't go out and get a life.

[Disappointed]

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Seriously? Do we HAVE to trawl through anything and everything for explanations and justifications of why Trump acts like an arsehole?

Maybe he's just, you know, a horrible person?

This is nothing more than junk science.

I am sort of with you in this. there is a lot of "Is Trump mentally ill" stuff, and it is near offensive. He may have health problems and issues. But he is responsible for his action, his actions are vile, and the evidence is that he is just an obnoxious and despicable person. He has no excuses.
Yup, a full portion of nasty, with stupid and selfish on the side*. Morally deficient perhaps but I'd hesitate to seek an organic excuse for him.

*nb, every country has nasty, stupid and selfish people but it is rare for one to become head of state.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I've noticed the same vitriol towards retainers.

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Baptist Trainfan
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Nasty, but don't fret too much about it, BT.

I'm not! - but I found the responses sad (although there were a couple in support, too).
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Remainers even. Bloody autocorrect

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
My wife and I joined a small anti-Trump demonstration in our town yesterday. Perhaps 150 came along. All right, I'm sure that Trump won't have noticed - but (and I say this as a person who rarely joins in such actions) it felt necessary to do and say somethingh, even if only to salve our consciences.

This is just one of many posts here on the Ship that make me so grateful to all of you who don't live in the U.S. (England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and elsewhere), but who are supportive of us who are in the States, and who don't assume all Americans are in favor of the PG in the White House. Thank you.
[Overused]

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
This is just one of many posts here on the Ship that make me so grateful to all of you who don't live in the U.S. (England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and elsewhere), but who are supportive of us who are in the States, and who don't assume all Americans are in favor of the PG in the White House. Thank you.
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I know it is so easy to blame "all Americans" for Trump, but the ship has shown me the importance of not tarring everyone with the same brush. There are so many US shipmates who are clearly sane and sensible.

Thank you for continuing to remind us that you exist. That not all Americans are like the worst.

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Baptist Trainfan
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Gosh, Hell has become polite!

(Although I echo the sentiments).

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I have always appreciated the contributions of our American friends - long may it continue
Trump is nasty because he's an obnoxious person, and would be whether he were American, Welsh Scottish English or whatever. He is not obnoxious because he is American and heaven knows there are enough obnoxious people this side of the pond which are enough to stop us getting self-righteous!

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Gosh, Hell has become polite!

(Although I echo the sentiments).

I think there is a temptation here to shout and scream about "Bloody Americans" and suchlike. It is always worth a moment to remember that there are many in the US who are as anti-Trump, as appalled by it.

Otherwise, we have to just continue being astounded at a US president who makes the lady who voted for Brexit because she saw a straight banana seem like a sensible and rational person.

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Gosh, Hell has become polite!

(Although I echo the sentiments).

Balls! Fuck! Nigger!

Happy now?

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Baptist Trainfan
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Much as I dislike all that, it seems far more appropriate!
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If a million marching women in pussy hats does not convince you that there are Americans who don't like the PG in Chief, it is hopeless of endeavor. I am busily knitting hats for all my acquaintance.

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Much as I dislike all that, it seems far more appropriate!

Clearly my attempts over the years to explain how Hell works have failed utterly.

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Alan Cresswell

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I think there is a temptation here to shout and scream about "Bloody Americans" and suchlike. It is always worth a moment to remember that there are many in the US who are as anti-Trump, as appalled by it.

That's why I use words like "the current US administration" to identify who I'm screaming about. I know that the actions of Trump and his cronies are not supported by the majority of American citizens - much less all of them.

I'll also refer to our own bunch of lunatics claiming to be working on our behalf as "the current UK government", because their actions are not supported by the majority of the UK electorate.

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Golden Key
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orfeo--

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Seriously? Do we HAVE to trawl through anything and everything for explanations and justifications of why Trump acts like an arsehole?

Maybe he's just, you know, a horrible person?

Hmmm...I'm not sure that anyone is *just* a horrible person. There are always reasons, causes, and factors for the way they are. The reasons might not make sense to you, but IMHO they're there.

And, sometimes, I'm not altogether how much free will anyone has.

quote:
This is nothing more than junk science.
Junk *diagnosis* from this doctor-author, maybe, because he hasn't treated Trump personally. But Alopecia has known psychological side-effects, which have been studied, and the doctor gives links to more info. I haven't read the article/statement from Trump's own doctor, but I gather that sparked this one.

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orfeo

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The drug is called Propecia.

And yes, it has known, uncommon, side effects. The junk consists of reasoning backwards that Trump must be one of the people that has these side effects, because we "know" he has psychological problems and hey presto, here's an explanation for them.

And yes, I'm sure there are reasons for his being a horrible person. I'm sure his upbringing contributed. I'm sure his apparent desperate need for validation drives much of his behaviour. What shits me is the attempt to medicalise it.

[ 05. February 2017, 22:49: Message edited by: orfeo ]

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Golden Key
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orfeo--

Thanks re Propecia. Honestly, that's what I meant to type, but my brain reached into the wrong box and I didn't notice it.

Maybe you haven't seen his debates with Hillary. He was very clearly unhinged. There've been many other things, since then, that make it clear that *something* is wrong. I'm not sure that he's capable of behaving much differently than he does.

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Over at the Council of Bishops of the African Methodist Church they're \declaring an official resistance. They cite a host of decisions and actions by the Trump administration, described by the bishops as “clearly demonic acts.”

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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On a completely serious note, Twitter has Bridget Trump's Diary. A mash-up. Which is ridiculous. Great.

example:
quote:
Said 'You're Fired' to Attorney Gen. Sally Yates! Hurrah! Am top POTUS Nigey sent me thumbs up Rest of UK being a bit of a bitch actually
etc

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
[...] What shits me is the attempt to medicalise it.

Certainly doesn't explain his oral silver spoon upbringing. Plus if he takes the stuff - in his case, just seems to add to his vanity, doesn't it?

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Maybe you haven't seen his debates with Hillary. He was very clearly unhinged. There've been many other things, since then, that make it clear that *something* is wrong. I'm not sure that he's capable of behaving much differently than he does.

I agree that *something* is wrong. But I also agree with orfeo that that *something* doesn't have to be medical. It's perfectly likely that the thing that's wrong with Trump is simply that he's a colossal shitrag with all the charm and grace of a leaking colostomy bag, the lovable personality of a wet fart, and a lack of care for the wellbeing of the rest of humanity that would make Skynet say "whoa, too far dude".

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Trump's problem appears to be that no one ever told him 'no'. That will, inevitably, produce pathologies and aberrant behaviours, but at its root cause is simply he's always got what he wanted, and could use his cheque book to get out of trouble.

Now, he can't. His first resort is going to be bullying and sacking, but his second will be to surround himself with people who'll never tell him no.

Thwart him often enough, he'll either give up or break the constitution, depending on how badly he wants it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
...the lovable personality of a wet fart...

You're quite generous here... wet farts are funny in retrospect.

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mark_in_manchester

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Thwart him often enough, he'll either give up or break the constitution
...or start a war and claim emergency powers.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Seriously? Do we HAVE to trawl through anything and everything for explanations and justifications of why Trump acts like an arsehole?

Maybe he's just, you know, a horrible person?

Being a horrible person is not a disqualification for being president. Chemically induced mental aberration might be.

Of course, none of that abrogates that enough people voted for him to get elected.

quote:

This is nothing more than junk science.

Not technically. The side effects, though not present in every user, are fairly well documented.
It isn't junk science, but probable mis-attribution. More pedantic than disagreeing with your position.

/tangent
Never understood the idea of taking a medication for hair loss that has the potential side effects propecia does. Like buying a Ferrari with no motor.

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It's interesting to see some people linking Trump with the dark triad stuff, (narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism), I was amused to see Alastair Campbell banging this drum on TV.

It is pseudo-science, since you can't diagnose someone at a distance, although I suppose it's fair enough to use it as an insult, like calling somebody mad.

[ 06. February 2017, 16:21: Message edited by: quetzalcoatl ]

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Pseudo-science is also the wrong term. It isn't the theory that is in question, but the application.

Trump isn't fit to serve tea, much less as a president.
Doesn't matter so much why.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
...the lovable personality of a wet fart...

You're quite generous here... wet farts are funny in retrospect.
And are also relatively healthy, insofar, as passing wind is natural and needful. Trump is neither, so far as I can see.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
It is pseudo-science, since you can't diagnose someone at a distance, although I suppose it's fair enough to use it as an insult, like calling somebody mad.

There's a long and interesting history of such from Wikipedia listing, particularly re famous people. Apparently 4000 or so are available since 1910.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
It is pseudo-science, since you can't diagnose someone at a distance, although I suppose it's fair enough to use it as an insult, like calling somebody mad.

There's a long and interesting history of such from Wikipedia listing, particularly re famous people. Apparently 4000 or so are available since 1910.
Yes, good point. I've been reading some biographies of Sylvia Plath and they vary between respectful (she had certain issues), and half-baked nonsense (she was a schizophrenic). Generally, this is done with the dead, since they can't sue.

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I've been reading some biographies of Sylvia Plath and they vary between respectful (she had certain issues), and half-baked nonsense (she was a schizophrenic). Generally, this is done with the dead, since they can't sue.

Or defend themselves.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Trump's problem appears to be that no one ever told him 'no'. That will, inevitably, produce pathologies and aberrant behaviours, but at its root cause is simply he's always got what he wanted, and could use his cheque book to get out of trouble.

Now, he can't. His first resort is going to be bullying and sacking, but his second will be to surround himself with people who'll never tell him no.

Thwart him often enough, he'll either give up or break the constitution, depending on how badly he wants it.

He suffers from Affluenza.

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Yes. He expects special treatment because he's rich. The law doesn't apply to him. The usual rules of the market don't apply to him. Common decency is for the common folk, but not him.

And Bercow has just flipped him the middle finger too. If May tries to replace him now, it'll look intensely vindictive.

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Has anyone linked EverySecondCounts? The best is the original, the Netherlands, though Germany is close.

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So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

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lb--

LOL. Thanks for the link. I'm working my way through. Just saw the Swiss one. More edgy than I expected!

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No 'UK Second' video yet?

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It's a government project, so it will be thrown together at the last minute after everyone else has done theirs. Boris Johnson has pencilled in the date for shooting it. They're still arguing over which department should be responsible for writing the script - at the moment it's a three-way fight between the FO, the Department for Brexit and the Department for International Trade, but insiders have not yet ruled out the possibility of the creation of a Ministry for Truth.
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Is the Moroccan one actually Moroccan? It seems a bit two-pronged to me.
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